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This is the [shoplink 48164 ebay]Panasonic LF1 viewfinder[/shoplink] which will also be used by the new GM5.
The Panasonic GM5 will be announced on Monday and it should have exactly the same price as the official GM1 price back when it was launched in 2013 (590 Euro). The Gm5 has a small built-in viewfinder of the size of the one used by the [shoplink 48164 ebay]LF1 compact camera[/shoplink].
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55 Responses
Please, NOT the vf from the LF1!!! Are u sure admin? That vf is acceptable on a relatively cheap camera, but not on gm5 :/
You can’t read now can you?
“The Gm5 has a small built-in viewfinder of the size of the one used by the LF1 compact camera.”
Keywords: THE SIZE OF.
No one said it’s the same VF.
Yes we can read, under the picture it says: This is the Panasonic LF1 viewfinder which will also be used by the new GM5.
@Anon, SCHOOLED! LoL
Agree, I have gotten used to using the LCD also on the E-M5 and E-M1 and use the vf for those situations I really have to see the focus area or when it’s too sunny so a is a nice and useful addition but if it’s the exact same as the LF1 I’d call it useless since that is only ~200k dots and totally useless to check critical focus, it would only help somewhat with framing in very sunny environments where the info on the LCD would be difficult to see.
LF1 viewfinder is not very useful, this rules out the GM5 for me I’m afraid.
I have an LF1, and contrary to popular opinion the EVF is extremely useful – very worthwhile having in the tiny camera size – however I do agree that its resolution is too low by today’s standards. The GM5 hopefully has a higher-res version, even if the same size otherwise.
I believe that there was simply no available EVF microdisplay with a small enough chip dimension to use with the compact LF1 design; perhaps there is one now. The pop-up Sonly RX100-III EVF has higher resolution, so it would be hard to defend the 202k EVF resolution for GM5.
Keeping the price low would normally sound good, but confirming the use of the same crappy viewfinder now makes the GM5 look cheap. I’d rather pay a bit more than be forced to settle for a low-quality add on that brings underwhelming benefit to the user. This is a huge disappointment.
It says the EVF will be the same saze as the EVF on LC1. It does not say it is *the* EVF on the LC1 nor that it will have the same resolution as the EVF on the LC1.
+1
Neither you or Mike can read, can you? Look under the photo.
OOPS! That should read LF1 not LC1
D’oh!
Wrong Sir, read just under the picture: “this is the panasonic LF1 view finger which will also be used by the new GM5”
*Viewfinder, stupid corrector…
Something doesn’t make sense. Panasonic’s lineup has shrunk from four cameras (GF, GX, G, GH) to two (GM, GH). One of them consists of the smallest, most simple mirrorless cameras while the other holds the largest, most sophisticated ones. Something is missing in between. Hopefully the GX7 will get a replacement soon (with a decent viewfinder for a change).
Where do you get the idea that it is now 2 models?
I have seen nothing to suggest the GX is disappearing (other than internet paranoia)
This was published by Panasonic Australia on July 7th:
http://www.cameracomparisonreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Bildschirmfoto2014-07-06um105808_zps720f7698.jpg
An it was later withdrawn with no reason given. It appears to have been an error.
Even if (when) it gets discontinued, that doesn’t mean anything at all about whether there will be a gx8 or similar.
Very true. But speculating about what may happen when the GX7 is out of production does not change the fact that it is currently in production and Panasonic have a minimum of 3 lines in their ‘G’ product range
Honestly, ANY viewfinder on the GM is welcome. I accepted I wouldn’t have one when I bought my GM1 – that doesn’t mean I don’t miss having one. Luckily it’s not my main camera. That’s a G2… yeah… old…. so, hoping for something in between GM and GH to turn up soon. Actually… hoping to see some kind of logical explanation for whatever is happening to the whole Lumix lineup 0_o. I have the money sitting right there in the bank, waiting for a G7 that won’t come.
Same size evf as lf1 but 2.8mp like gx7 and
gh4.
no,GX7 has 2.8mdot but GH4 has 2.3mdot
I was checking to see what reviewers though of the LF1 finder: I would rather have a larger camera with a good viewfinder or attachment than just a token crap one- still there is hope?
Against:
Poor quality viewfinder isn’t of much use,
1.44mdot likes G5 look good,
@admin can confirmed about spec like LX100,
body dimension 😕
tiles LCD (live view):?
EVF:?
Body I.S.:?
hot shoe:?
mic input:?
frame rate:?
Obviously, any viewfinder is better than no viewfinder at all. But, the LF1 viewfinder? There must be some law about protection of consumers eyesight, isn’t there?
I think they mean the EVF housing will be the same size not neccessarily the resoloution etc. The very small rx100MK3 has a 1,440,000 dot EVF
Why all the angst? The EVF is only for composition and it gives the option of ‘bracing’ the camera against the face for greater stability. Who needs a gazillion pixels for that other than ‘because we can’? No-one is forcing you to use it but it is useful in specific circumstances.
Some of you sound like kids moaning in the supermarket because mummy won’t let them have a chocolate bar.
Is there anybody out there who uses a viewfinder?
Is there anyone out there who doesn’t use a viewfinder?
+1000
It is the silly monkey-shine generation…..
Why would anyone need any? The display gives much more flexibility: high/low camera angles. With the VF you need to stuck to the most boring POV. This is the 21th cent. and we have digital cams.
The only limiting factor is a lack of imagination.
I don’t use a viewfinder all he time, but much of the time I do. I prefer the flexibility of both LCD… as long as it’s articulated or tilting… AND a viewfinder.
By the way, have you tried the GX7’s tilting EVF for any length of time? It’s a minor revelation!
no. The only reason to use the VF if the sun light is extreme strong mainly if I make a photo/video in counter light. The only thing I miss is a detachable VF that could be attached to my glasses. So my eyes could be completely independent of the camera.
Such a viewfinder would make you look like part of the Borg?
http://fandomania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/borg.jpg
no hay problema
Compose with VF but for accurate focus check, I feel the screen is superior.
I think it must have focus peeking
That’s a given!
Hello my new camera…
@admin … there are some infos about internal stabilization?
Can’t wait to get one! 🙂 I have the right lens for it, the Oly 9mm bodycap lens. 🙂
Unless the GM5 can bring something else to the table, a discounted GM1 is starting to look like the better deal
Glad I waited as well. Gonna hopefully see some GM1s on e-bay. I have the GX7 for when I want an EVF anyway.
IBIS is a pretty big something, in my mind.
Small camera, small viewfinder. As long as it is high resolution with a fast refresh, it sounds like a good approach. Keeping this camera as small as possible, but still with great usability is a very delicate balancing act. I hope that Panasonic favors usability in the GM5.
Yup, all in all, it’s just RUMORS.
I would be surprised if Panasonic went with the older VF instead of a better res version.
For all we know, all they may share is the size of the VF.
All this is, is admins spin on words to create hysteria. Phil says “will use”, text says “size of”.
Regardless, this camera looks to Kill the PEN line. Olympus blew it again.
“Photo”, not Phil
I wouldn’t say blew it again, since just about everything they’ve released lately has been solid (aside from the boring e-pl updates), but Panny is really stepping it up. They are pushing Sony to be the most innovative brand right now- the pro on a budget GH4, the tiny GM1, the impressive fz1000… panny is on a role, and now I’m expecting them to deliver again, both with the GM5 and the lx100.
Aren’t integrated EVFs verboten for all M43 Olympus cameras other than OMD series models?
So no integrated EVF for Pen (or hypothetical TripD).
Olympus seem to believe that faux pentaprisms and centered VFs signify “high end” for “pro/enthusiast” customers.
Apparently, Panasonic, Fuji and Leica have much to learn. 😉
Lost in all the discussions of whether or not this GM5 EVF is the same as that used in the LF1 many have forgotten the same size but 440,000 rez small 1/4″ EVF used in the FZ200 and that is also a definite possibility?
I thought the same EVF as LX1000 was supposed to be a FT5 rumor? Given the same price as GM1 at launch a smaller size hence small camera is likely with similar innards to GM1 shutter etc. but IBIS? At the same time this spec leaves room to retain the GX7 series as larger, better tilt EVF, and moveable screen.
Hopefully it’s not the case because it wouldn’t make any sense for those rumors saying that this camera is supposed to succeed the GX7 wich such crappy EVF.
It would be terribly disappointing if they used the same EVF as on the LF1 which was, frankly, universally panned for how bad it is.
At that point it’s just a feature tick-box that no one wants. In fact, if it’s as bad as on the LF1, I’d probably prefer to omit it and save the modest cost and thickness it adds. If Sony can put a high quality pop-up EVF in the RX100 III, Panasonic should certainly be able to put a fixed one that’s similar to the old LVF2.
When the EVF of the Panasonic LF1 was universally panned quickly, I’ll bet it was it laggy and smeared and low rez too. 😉
It seems designers in Panasonic has excellent eyesight and hence can’t see the problems we see in poor EVFs. They put a fairly ordinary EVF in their then top model, the GH3, and then did it again in their GX7. In both cases, they gave those otherwise excellent cameras a deal breaker for many of us. I can understand why the LF1 was given a poor quality and small EVF. It’s a tiny camera and a cheap camera, but re-using a part from such a camera in the GM5 is hard to believe even for Panasonic, the company well known for re-using uncompettive old parts in brand new cameras, e.g. reusing the sensor from very old cameras, and shooting themselves in the foot.