Switching to a Panasonic GH4 from a Canon 5D Mark III: Five Things I Miss from David Chen on Vimeo.
5 years on – How far has m4/3 come? (Soundimagesplus).
Nocticron test at Focus Numerique.
Panasonic, Unique Photo To Unveil First LUMIX Lounge Lifestyle Concept Store In The U.S (Marketwatch).
Video Coverage/Crop and Still Image Quality from Raw or JPEG vs MOV Frames (Diglloyd).
Rocking 4k video with the Panasonic GH4 at the Monterey Bay Aquarium (Planet5d).
IBELUX 40mm f0.85 lens first seen in flesh at Newsshooter. Note, ther eis a MFT version too for sale at Technikdirekt.de.
Fireworks shot at 4K at Frugalfilmmakers.
Jurek: “I’m sure you are being inundated with early GH4. Well here is one more…;-) GH4 with SLR Anamorphot and Panasonic 14-45mm lens (details on Vimeo page). https://vimeo.com/94477550”
Max: “GH3, 7-14, Voigtlaender 25, 35-100 Wedding Anton & Julia https://vimeo.com/94628182“
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That’s a lame video, unless you are being sarcastic to showcase how ignorant Canon 5DIII users could be regarding m43…
They are different cameras with different strengths for sure, but some one should clue him in about the settings menu
Correct, can’t say an OVF is an advantage for video. And missing the lenses? Please that’s an even more lame reason to stay with 5DIII, m43 takes them all, if you want!
And what he calls bokeh is in fact shallow DOF, and has nothing to do with bokeh!
So correct a lame video
Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that if you want to make a point than use the same subject. People (Canon and which lens) and food (GH4 again which lens?) as an example between the two, please, … fail!
Relax now, nobody is going to take away your toy. Geeko like his toy very dearly. Geeko is a good boy.
David needs to learn the camera a little more. Commenting that the f stop and shutter dials are backwards just means he doesn’t understand that it is programmable and he can switch it to whichever way suits his needs. At least you can on the GH3. Also you don’t have the top lcd, but you can tilt the camera and use the rear screen to adjust settings without holding it to your face. I think he’ll like it more as time goes on.
I miss my truck I bought a mini cooper and I can’t tow my 30 foot boat !
I can’t pick up a ton of stuff at the Nursery like large bushes and trees !
I found out my 3 kids and wife and 2 large dogs don’t fit !
found out also its small !!! I am 6’4″ and I found its not huge inside !!!!
when we go to costco I can’t fit both toilet paper and paper towels and all the extra stuff inside
I am amazed at how many photographers are out there thinking OH I am going to buy this and dump this with no experience in the new one !!!!!! how about you buy something totally new and just play with it for a year to get a idea of how it works and can fit into your life work etc..
and why do so many people have to think OH I have to dump one thing to use another ? like the truck analogy why not have both ? a truck for when you need it or a nice sports car to have fun or a nice SUV and other type of vehicle like a bike 🙂
Your analogy is seriously flawed. First, there is no Nikon at ANY weight or any price which can shoot 4K video. If 50+ lbs. ($30,000.00) of “Pro” camera gear will not shoot even modern consumer video, such gear may be dated.
You are presuming to tell others what they should do with their money which of course, is none your business.
Just because you bought a “Toy” car and found that you too can make ridiculous decisions, doesn’t qualify you to give us advice about our purchases. Why don’t you sell the silly little car and get a van (for that all important toilet-paper run to Costco) . . . . LOAD up on Toilet Paper, (you’re going to need it), then sell the Van and buy a Huge crippled camera to bonk your fellow photographers heads in?
Have a nice Day!
hahahahah OK little kid 🙂
never bought a mini ? just analogy 🙂 also never presumed or told others what they should do or buy ?
your talking out your okole 🙂
Your schizo-agressiveness makes you completely transparent to readers of your constant garbage. Doesn’t matter if you login as one childish boy or 1,000 . . . You might just as well have a propeller hat on yo’ head.
To be fair the nikon v1/j1 etc cameras can shoot 4k in very very short burts lol
Maybe he should read the manual:
Rotating:
Selection of items or setting of values is performed during the various settings.
•This owner’s manual describes operations of the rear dial/front dial as follows:
Allows you to set the aperture, shutter speed, and other settings when in / / /
modes.
•In [Dial Set.] in the [Custom] menu, you can change the operation methods of the front dial and
rear dial. (P312)
Secondly, if he’s shooting video, he can’t even use the OVF!!!
i think professionals use a rig with external EVF, most dont hold the camera against the face during serious videographing as its not ergonomically ideal then.
David’s comments make sense to me. At least he not trashes one system, like so many people do here.
But it is just internet marketing and autohrs made some fatal errors
– Dials Funktion can be switched easily
– There are over 60 mFT lenses + 23 FT lenses, up to pro glas for 5000,- $
– EVF has some advantages, usable in video mode, + all settings, histograms etc visible!
So you never need a shoulder display nor a control view to the LCD after shot.
internet marketing i dont feel it like that. He works for MS, his video sound like a personal experience and opinion. How many times did we only figure some things out after a long time using it or reading about it online. The Canon lens lineup has certainly its advantages, despite the doubling or tripling of focal lenghts(more choice in price ranges). Only the OVF preference is someting very personal, though I can imagine one uses an external EVF or LCD magnifier like the Zacuto’s. I like his opinion because he not tears the GH4 down in anyway but says good things about it. I see here too many protective comments. I dont think its really needed in this case.
Have you realized people are taking the GH4 seriously? They are even comparing it to the biggest beasts from Canon and Nikon!
I am not, I prefer a G15. Some paid pundits will, but do not expect it’s all genuine enthusiasm.
I have just taken a look at some Amazon reviews. Looks like this camera is the real deal for people who have actually bought it…
I normally rely on my own impressions before parting with cash. My own, do you get that, not something someone wrote somewhere in the net.
So far, M43 has disappointed me big time.
You have logged in as 500 different aliases today . . . are you having trouble making your point. Does it really require that much dissembling, and falsehoods to sell those HUGE cameras?
The thing is that DSLR’s still hugely dominate the world interchangeble lens market { roughly 81% } . The DSLR market is dominated by just two comanies { with almost 90% of the market between them} meanwhile the mirrorless market is shared between Olympus,Panasonic, Sony,Fuji , Pentax, Samsung and yes even Canon & Nikon have their efforts.
The continued woes and losses of the imaging divisions of all the big mirrorless players says it all. To put it in perspective at their peak of digital SLRs Olympus had 9% of the market { a larger market than now }. Their current share of the mirrorless market is 25-30% pverall that gives them a 6% share of the overall interchangeable lens camera market { DSLR + mirrorless} considering the smaller overall market the losses are hardly a surprise.
Yes , thats 17 happy customers woohoo Panasonic will be back in profit , lol
There are only 3 things to complain about GH4, yes the DOF is bigger on M43 than FF, and you can achieve only f1,8 DOF equivalent with the widest lenses available (which are MF only), the the noise at high ISO is also bigger due to smaller sensor and the crop factor on 4K is big and it is hard to get really wide eagles.
The other things in this short clip are excuses from a guy whom does not now the camera, the dials can easely ben changed, the lenses can easely be adapted from almost any manufactured on the planet, tehre is the speed booster wich helps you make the lensez wider and with 1 stop more light etc. The wiefinder may be electronic but on canon you can not use it to take videos, so…
For those who take photos the 5D mark 3 is definitely a better camera but for us the video guys 5D mark 3 is a joke in comparison to GH4.
Is f1.8 DOF limitation right? How about a legacy f1.2 Minolta 58mm with Metabones Speed booster, is that not f1.4 DOF?
Speed boosters will degrade the image quality. They will make a dog’s dinner of that beautiful Minolta, for example.
I use the speed booster, and it dos not degrade the image quality, perhaps it amplifies the CA in the corners, but if you film in 4K, the extra crop factor eliminates it all.
OK for films, but don’t bring up the stills, even DXO might tell you off…
Most of the people who buy the Gh4, buy it for video, me included, so the SB is very good, even in 4K.
And the flare? With all those additional surfaces, flare and contrast are bound to go down. Have you tried something against the sun?
There are no problems with the SB only your trolling.
It does degrade the image quality though using oversized manual focus lens on an adapter pretty much takes away the main/only reason for mFT. All to chase shallow DOF which apparently doesnt matter anyway
I was referring to a f1,8 DOF equivalence on FF, I think a f/0.9on m43 is somewhat similar to a f/1,8 on FF. Anyway, for me that DOF is shallower enough to get any artistic shot desired, and in cinematography nobody uses such a small DOF anyway.
You can already add a fourth one that is sufficient alone for me not to buy it : Panasonic’s auto ISO implementation, and more specifically the lack of a setting for minimum shutter speed.
GH4 is ridiculously priced and a waste of money for stills; but then the E-M1 has poor video and no better still skills. Tough choices.
This is why it beats all APSC cameras form Canon, Nikon, Sony and Pentax…LOL
According to DxOMark it sports the best sensor in the m43 universe. I don’t see why one should not use the GH4 for stills.
Yeah, you can shove DXO in there. Is it any better than Olympus E-M5 or E-M1 sensor?
Cool choices! Either way m4/3 gives us BETTER options. We don’t really need to choose between GH4 and E-M1 . . . We can have BOTH for less money than the D800e.
Your trolling notwithstanding, the advantage to M4/3 is that we can carry highly sophisticated, multi-function cameras, without all the bulk and weight and always be ready to record top-notch video or outstanding still imagery . . . on the fly.
Why not compare E-M1 to the 1200D or D3300? They puke on it at a fraction of the price.
Are you saying that APSc is good enough for “Pros”?
What if m4/3 users don’t care for bottom-feeding loss leaders from Canikon? Is that OK with you?
No he is saying that for stills image quality the lowest end DSLR’S from Sony/Nikon/Pentax comfortably outperform the most expensive mFT gear.
Because this site is infested with ignorant marketing trolls, who want to take bread home. Otherwise, you are perfectly right.
YOU are the ignorant marketing troll here. There is no other. You have no allies. It’s all JUST YOU. Insaniac spitting and sputtering, lying and spewing, flaming and flailing, trashing everything you touch and disrespecting everyone who has a REAL LIFE and a REAL LOVE for photography.
You are NOT an artist . . . You are a FARTIST.
You ignorant marketing goon.
The top display panel is one of the most useless things for a mirrorless camera.
If used correcly, you don’t even need to get off the eyes from the EVF! You can see all the settings, the current framing, and even the photo just taken. Why would you need to climb your eyes between EVF, LCD and the top panel?!
The guy hasn’t probably yet discovered the fully articulated screen of the GH4. The little thing lots of CaNikon missing. Give him some time.
I can’t believe someone can actually make these ramblings into a video…
Canon fears to loose customers. Obviously GH4 is to close nearby.
Canon is laughing all the way to the bank.
They are because they can continue to sell a metric crap ton of old tech to a very large user base.
He mentions some valid points, but some aren’t. First thing is the EVF vs OVF thing. Why do people think an OVF(of LCD for video) gives you a more real view of what you’re going to film/picture? It’s the sensor that records your picture, not some mirror that flips back when you’re pressing a button. High resolution EVF gives you the best preview possible, even compensating for shutter speeds for example(if you want), and it gives the possibility to display other useful information. Of course it takes time to get used to, because it’s different. The only real drawback is that it’s drains the battery.
For the “Full frame” look, there are some interesting options for the GH4: http://www.eoshd.com/content/12735/metabones-speed-booster-works-gh3-gh4-give-1-28x-crop-almost-full-frame-look
Rants of a guy who tried for the first time the mirrorless.
Misses the point of the EVF and constant preview.
Also apparently hasn’t found yet that GH4’s LCD is the fully-articulated one.
Panasonic’s new GH4, while perhaps not the final perfection of the personal camera, is such a breakthrough product that it has literally set the camera world aflame. Waiting lists for the GH4 abound. Everyone wants to test it and talk about it. Even a known, (recorded noise), issue has not dampened enthusiasm about the GH4.
For video shooting and in it’s price range, the GH4 has zero competition. For stills photography, the GH4 is a serious contender and certainly more than adequate to the needs of enthusiast snappers. Panasonic is challenging a 60 year old mindset with the GH series Hybrid Cameras. Yes, video IS important, and YouTube/Vimeo is all the proof required. Video is the way we receive information now. It is here to stay. The integration of video capabilities with still image acquisition is natural and inevitable. A camera that can combine 4K Video and static photos, at high frame rates, including Slo-Mo, with supersonic Auto-Focus, HD Stereo Audio recording, and all the bells and whistles to encourage artists and advanced users will command attention far beyond the ordinary, hide-bound “stills ONLY” camera.
With the GH4, Panasonic is proving that . . “if you build it they will come.”
For stills, it is an overpriced, underspecced toy based on a flawed system. Far from setting anything “aflame”, it will drain your wallet.
Interesting how “people”‘s opinions can differ.
LOL be careful, this is no place for free speech. I agree with you, anyway.
Free speech thrives here. But noxious trolling, . . . not so well.
You need to understand what other people say before calling them out as “trolls” (whatever that means). Assuming you have understood, you must respect them even if you don’t agree.Understood? Or are you too stupid?
“underspecced toy based on a flawed system”.
you’re right that such a speech gain people’s respect !
we have to be stupid to not consider it as a nice starting point of discussion. LOL
Try thinking harder, you never know…
Every sane and rational person on this forum (even those to whom English is not their native tongue), write better than you. YOUR writing is that which screams that you were educated in a lackluster educational system.
You are ALWAYS the 1st to resort to intimidation, name calling, bullying and LYING.
You are ALWAYS the LEAST PERSUASIVE person in any exchange.
You are ALWAYS the ONLY person voting up your silly shiiit.
No sign of educational prowess, debating skills nor anything interesting to say.
Your vaunted “education” makes you look like a fool.
“those to whom English is not their native tongue” LOL
An American “education” again?
Great comment GH4 Eva, especially the: “if you build it they will come.” LOL. Also the film from which the comment derived is very good. Best regards!
has enlightened us that Canon has more lenses and the buttons and dials on different models behave differently. Thanks Cap, that was educating.
Somewhat silly comparison as the dials can be switched, he failed to show all the m43 lenses that are available AND the fact that you can adapt to many many others, with an OVF you can’t see the actual DOF below f/2.8 or so while you certainly can with an EVF, etc., etc.
It would have been a much better video if he listed the things he missed AND didn’t miss about his Canon gear – like the weight, size, focus accuracy, etc, etc.
1. Dials. You can switch the shutter and Fstop on the GH4. Read the manual
2. Being discreet. Ok i can change my settings discreetly but when I take a picture you will hear it for miles on the Canon
3. Lenses. Come on now. you showed all the lenses most of which are duplicate focal lengths. M43ds have way more options which include all the canon lenses. LOL
4. I would rather see exactly how the picture is going to look in the VF not what the seen looks like in real life
Where are the superteles? The long macros? The TS? The equivalent fast lenses? Please…
With adapters you can mount any lens in existence, including all you precious Canon tele lenses, but wait a 800mm f5,6 Canon lens is transformed in a 1600mm f/5,6 lens on GH4. Now that’s cool….
And the AF? And the optical quality? Please, this is too huge, even for a commercial forum.
I’m smelling trolling here, so there is no point in discussing. Go shoot your favorite camera and we (I) will shoot mine 😀 with all the mising points, ooo poor me LOL. The Video is the future and if anybody is saying otherwise is ignorant, and ignorance pays by itself (look at Kodak and where it is now).
Suit yourself, ignorant gadget geek.
LOL so offensive, you paid Troll!
It happens to be that I live from videography so go trolling somewhere else please!
You live on it? In which trailor park?
Yes manual focussing super tele lens is great if you are photographing rocks. And yet again we get the almost constant display of ignorance of even the most basic concepts of equivalence. An 800mm F5.6 when mounted on mFT will work as an effective AOV 1600mm , with
the DOF and total light gathering ability of an F11.2 lens on FF. Just because other idiots repeat it here all the time doesn’t make it true !
You my fried have a problem, a greater DOF on that tele lens for example is desired not inverse, and the aperture is f/5,6 (regarding luminosity), this interests the most of us. And yes, I use focus peeking with success with many manual lenses, so I have no problem with tat.
By the way, if you have the money to buy a super tele Canon lens, than you can keep both a GH4 and a Canon body. With the Canon to take photos, the FF is beter in photo quality, but regarding video, GH4 has no concurrence!
Regarding 2 : according to a French magazine that measures shutter noise in dB, the 5DIII’s silent mode actually is quieter than almost all mirrorless cameras bar Fujis and Olympus OM-Ds. This mode has one drawback : slightly longer shutter lag. Of course the GH4 can become totally silent, but there again this mode carries a number of drawbacks with it.
Um… image quality is something I’d miss?
Of course not, M43 is the best.
well it’s probably the best in relation to small sensors, true, but there is no doubt that larger sensors have better light gathering capabilities. That being said, I find that “advantage” unimportant in my line of work. The fact that MFT gets amazing results, while being more compact, smarter, more user-friendly, and adaptable than FF cameras means that smaller sensor is not worth worrying about at all.
I prefer a larger sensor with smaller/slower lenses, if I want small. It is cheaper and works really well. If I want really small, M43 is already too large, so it falls into a gap of uselessness for me.
To each their own, as they say.
I’d like to hear his thought 6 months down the line. I switced to the Lumixsystem from Nikon FF cameras and I wasn’t too wild about the feel at first. But now I absolutely love the GH3 and G6, they are the most fun cameras I’ve ever used in terms of handling and button layout. The touch screens are awesome and every camera should have them 🙂
What do you guys think about this GH4 vs 1DX review? I thought it rather balanced:
http://www.terranmedia.com.au/blog/2014/5/3/panasonic-gh4-vs-canon-1dx
A more balanced look at the GH4 – (as compared to what we get from our imbecilic troll.)
This coming from a “Genuine” Nikon “Pro”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caV4AOnr_kc
This is a good preview o the camera. I feel the same way as the guy, I’m also a Nikon shooter with a lot of Nikon Lenses, but got this baby + Metabones SB and I’m in love with the superb 4K video!
He doesn’t know what he wants before buying the GH4…then complaining..
I can’t believe the dials on two separate cameras from two different manufacturers operate in a completely different fashion. Clearly Panasonic has screwed themselves and they should probably just give up their camera business.
A brand new login same stupid TROLL. Just like 500 times per day.
Because of some silly-boy quibbling and weaseling, the GREAT Panasonic Corp. is going to call it quits because YOU told them to. GAWD you really know how to influence your SUCKY LITTLE World.
I think I will start trolling to see if Panasonic will send me a FREE GH4 just because I can fabricate 10,000 LIES /day and make myself look like an army of BS’ing malcontents.
I think you missed the sarcasm in my comment. You may also want to consider trying to relax a bit. It will make your day better.
Do you really think that having the dials function differently would be a deal breaker? You did watch the video right? The guy on the video named that the dials were different as if that makes the GH4 somehow inferior which clearly it does not.
I am not sure why but your comment has really annoyed me. For the record, the only cameras I own are an Oly EPL-1, Oly EM-5, and a Panny GH2. Oh and if you don’t believe me, feel free to go to mu-43 and search for my username there. I don’t participate actively but you will see posts that I made YEARS ago.