Well, as previsouly told the Olympus E-PL7 is going to be announced soon and theses images do come directly from the E-PL7 manual! Specs are no secret neither because this is going to be PEN version of the E-M10 🙂
LIke you see there are quite some changes on the button layout between the new E-Pl7 and the current E-PL5.
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coming up ,EPL7 and next EM5 successor ,
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and what about lumix they(panny) sold profit camera only as GH4
and cut all line (G/GF/GX) on this year (i guess will be forever)
Well, it’s still likely the GX series will live on, but the other two you mentioned are likely toast. I am hoping for a significant improvements to the GX8, particularly in ergonomics and sensor development. But really, all it would need are minor added improvements for continued success. It would be foolish for Panny to kill the GX.
The topic is “Olympus” EPL-7, Pantards. ~(:-)
It is such a boring pointless update to a boring pointless camera that we need something worth talking about
Then why such a boring comment?
I completely agree about the GX series, although surprizingly high demand for the GH4 could cause temporary reallocation of resources.
Panasonic could for example, move R&D people and other necessary skills, off the GX8 project and utilize them to fix any spills with the GH4 launch (such as the recorded noise issue).
@ Sqweezy: I know the Panasonic products fairly well, happen to own the GX7 and find it almost flawless. Can’t see what is wrong about the sensor.
Looks like 2 control dials, which is good, but still no built in EVF, so its still an upscale point and shoot, and for me, a definite no.
find EVF ,you buy EM10 😉
PEN cameras don’t have EVF. If you want integrated EVF, there is OM-D line.
I’d love to have a Pen with an EVF. I love the styling of the Pen range (E-Px) but really want to have the EVF built in like the GX7.
I know the answer, both here and from Olympus, is go for the OM-D. I have, but I want a Pen with an EVF.
Will there ever be a PEN with an EVF?
You could always keep waiting…
Why not get a GX7?
The image quality between the GH3/4, OMDs, EP5, GX7 and GM1 is extremely close at this point.
Still no built-in flash?
It should come with the tiny flash that goes onto the hot shoe, and that uses the camera battery for power. Built-in flashes are almost useless anyway.
I disagree. Build in flashes are very useful for a little fill in light and controlling of camera speed-lights. That stupid flash in a pouch is never there when you need it.
I disagree with you,built in are a complete waste of time unless you are working in the smallest of rooms. As regards their use to control external speed lights yes, other than the need for line of sight,much better to use something like the Yongnuo range of radio triggers, reasonable priced and very efficient. I know they don’t produce one specifically for Olympus but I use the Canon version which is efficient and does the job perfectly well.
Not so sure about that, Pappy. Sometimes the built in flash is just right for fill-flash outdoors in bright light with facial shadows. Then again the GX7’s titling flash works very will indoors.
Mostly it’s a convenience thing more than a “Pro” feature.
Ooops, make that – the GX7’s “tilting” flash. :0
@ Keith: totally agree with you. I prefer to use the GX7 indoors over Nikon FF precisely because I can use the massively useful tiltable flash for my portait shots. It does happen sometimes that the result is a little bit too dark (depending on the ceiling) but that is a no-brainer during post-processing. X-Sync @ 1 / 320s is very nice, too.
+1 Henk. I really miss a built-in / pop up flash on the EM1 specifically for remote flash trigger and it is a real pain to take off small covers and attach the “pouch flash”. I find myself using the “old” E5 instead whenever multiple or remote flash is needed (and this is often).
That’s where the E-M10 would be successful & it’s also appreciated on the Stylus 1 too. That has been great for fill flash by adjusting the output strength while photographing the visiting cockies (sulphur crested cockatoos). The young ones jump, but the ‘old hands’ stick around longer.
For a small camera, it’s all about convenience and portability, IMO. It would be more convenient if I didn’t have a bring a small flash everywhere. And right now I have the flash more or less permanently attached on my EPM1 in case I need it, which takes away from its portability.
Sounds to me like you don’t want a SYSTEM camera; you want a point-and-shoot or maybe just an iPhone. Why buy an interchangeable lens camera and then complain you need to carry all the bits?
I want BOTH. I want the option to carry a small camera around wherever I go and the option to have a high quality photo/video system at my disposal if I need it.
And it’s a simple fix. All they need to do is add a built-in flash to the E-PM and E-PL series.
At least there is a manual. Sony did not have one when I tried to get one at the time of the 7r release.
Dial moved, buttons rearranged. Gone is the removable grip – a great shame.
Is it still compatible with the MCG-2 large grip? If so, I might buy it.
No screw fixing for grip in pictures; seems this has a fixed
grip
Maybe wifi antennae is in there?
The only folks who get this grip thing right is Sony. Make the grip large, the lens will stick out anyway. More space for the battery.
Now, lenses… That’s a different story.
THIS is the camera that will turn Olympus’ fortunes around and make them profitable again!!
Ok, its not. Just another pretty camera built for the Japanese ladies. Sadly they still have their EPM1s, and they don’t upgrade frequently.
Well, then I’m a japanese lady as well, have to check my credentials 😉
Joking aside, I’d like a small camera as a travel or take anywhere solution that could also be used when I’m on an assignment. With the added command dial The E-PL7 just got a lot more serious for me. The pictires imply a 3×2 LCD screen which increases the usability even more.
Until now I’ve not upgrade my Pen (E-P1) due to my personal gripe with the PEN E-Px series, which are not (significantly) smaller than the OMD’s.
Maybe if the Panasonic GM series get IBIS I’d have bought that, but I’d prefer a same PP workflow. There are very slight differences between E-M1 and E-M5 files but my workflow didn’t need to change, which I would suspect would be true whith the E-PL7 as well.
@ digifan: as far as Panasonic is concerned you may want to consider the GX7 + 20mm bundle. It is very powerful, surprisingly compact and easier to use than the GM1. GM1 X-Sync of only 1 / 50s is an absolute ‘no go’ for me.
OK, 1/50 sync is pretty useless indeed. I’ve used the 20mm and am no big fan. I bought the 25mm F1.4 a few years ago. The 20 is just too slow at AF for my line of work.
Let me guess. Add the VF-4 and it will be way above the price point of the EM-10, so why bother to pay a premium for the choice of the additional viewfinder. Not going to be a strong seller IMHO.
Great, secound dial and more buttons, thats what I have waiting for. Hope the screen is not 16:9.
Screen ratio 16:9 would be a show stopper for me..
I don’t think it’s two dials as the one near the hot shoe would be the Mode Dial & it is now using the standard 3:2 ratio screen the OM-D’s have (including the Stylus 1).
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and yet….
Can you say that again, mate?
I think he may be on a higher plane or summit…
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Awesome dude. Best post in this thread. Leaves allcaps in the dust.
Looks good that Oly moved all the buttons over for one hand control. That does look like an extra dial around the shutter release, too. That looks sweet…wish I had that on my E-PL6…but the IQ will be basically the same so I can’t see upgrading. I got my E-PL6 for $407 from Hong Kong…wonder what this will price out at? The body profile looks exactly the same as mine and it is a great small camera, especially with the VF-4 on there. Quite powerful.
It seems not to be an extra dial because it looks like the rear dial was turned into a 4-way button. It’s a nice camera, though. Mostly attractive for new users and less for m43 users with not too old equipment.
An internal flash is nice but the little hot shoe flash lights aren’t bad either. If you need it, put it on, if not, put it away and decrease camera size. I never missed it on my E-PL3.
Yeah..that does look like they turned that dial inti a 4- way…I thought the same thing.
…but that clearly is a dial around the shutter release, no?
Soo excited with this Class SS camera “same shit” lol
Wow, Olympus must be trying to step out of the imaging division. This camera is dead out the gate! Seriously, this is stockroom fodder.
It’s cameras like these, that not even the Olympus faithful is buying. I don’t get it. Why are they making it worse for themselves?
I could see if they added a built in evf, but no, they didn’t. It’s more of the same that isn’t selling. What’s going to be different this time, the price? -HIGHLY unlikely!
Take care of your Olympus gear, because if they go belly-up, I predict by the beginning of 2015, support will drop.
Thanks so much for your usual positive input.
I would say “you’re welcome”, but weak sarcasm doesn’t get sarcasm in reply. I’m serious. Go read Olympus latest financials. OR, stay in denial. Your choice.
OK, I will skip the sarcasm to. You are such a self-invloved idiot.
You have NO CLUE what you are talking about. You never do.
No one asked for your great depth of knowledge here, so why don’t you go bash cameras somewhere else…far far away.
We are busy having fun here.
Do you have a lot of fun here? Too many girlfriends I suppose, so you need a break huh?
Sadly, I think he is right since the E-M5 came along there has been zero advance in image quality you gain a little DR with EM1 while losing a little at high ISO. What we do get are endless mostly meaningless minor updates. Along with the odd outrageously expensive lens, £1250 for the 42.5mm F1.2 an 85mm F2.4 equivalent on FF is shocking. Just before the anti-equivalence police attack the Nikon F1.2 costs £600 the Fuji F1.2 {designed for a larger sensor} cost £870
looking on the bright side the money I would be spending on a new mFT camera is still sitting in my bank.Until we get a wrthwhile jump in image quality I will be hlding on to it.
There will be no jump. They literally hit the 16mp ceiling. Which is why I think Panasonic will jump to APS-C with Leica, leaving the GH and GM series to MFT. I think the next G/GX series of cameras will be APS-C.
Wait, what??? There are 1″ sensors today with 20 megapixels. What evidence do you have to believe 16MP is the physical limit for an m4/3 sensor? Not that I really care, as professionals were shooting with 12 and 16-megapixel FF and APS-C cameras for years and clients were happily paying them.
I have/had a GF2, GX1 and GX7. I haven’t seen a jump in quality between the GX1/GX7. Sure, the GX7 was way more feature rich, but my images look very similar. The only time I see a jump in IQ, is when I view similar shots between my M43 pics against my Canon 6D pics.
The 16mp four third sensor has reached its limit. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s dead, it still has many uses, but for a significant jump, APS-C or FF is better.
The excuses of larger Lenses won’t cut it any more. Fuji’s x-t1 is small and the lenses are small too. Image Quality is Better.
And you’re right, pros were shooting with 12-16 mp FF and APS-C. They’re not anymore with FF and 16 APS-C sensors trump 16mp four third sensors every time, especially at night. Noise is the four third sensors enemy.
The big advance in sensor tech is likely to come from Panasonic & Fuji’s “organic” sensor tech, which sounds like the major breakthrough we’re all looking for. The Olympus EM1 has a Panasonic sensor in it today, so using the organic sensor would be a possibility. This new tech seems to be all about miniaturization while simultaneously improving dynamic range and high ISO performance. So essentially better than FF performance in small sizes. APS for Fuji, M43 for Panny and Oly.
It has probably been moldering in design and early production for 6 months. Perhaps Oly had developed it too far to cancel it and just decided to make a limited run of them rather than let all that build up go to waste.
It is very expensive to scrap the tooling when the “bright-boys” change their minds.
for example:
You may be right.
I think the only ‘fodder’ around here is you!
Let me guess. Absolutely no improvements to video capture. It would be a shock to expect anything more from them.
It’s about time they got rid that back wheel. Hopefully you could utilize a button+wheel for exposure comp (or other things) like on the e510 etc….
If this comes in at the price of a Sony A6000, it will be quite the joke. No flash. No EVF. Smaller sensor. Less capable video. On what level is it competitive?
It’s not a Sony. That alone would be a selling point.
Oh, and you do get an add-on flash in the bundle.
As a former NEX 7 owner, which was purchased on the awesome specs alone, I’d say that it blows away the Sony cameras on lens range, lens size, lens price, overall handling, and FUN, which is subjective, impossible to prove or quantify, but very real none-the-less. But Olympus should make some more aggressive moves in the PEN line, or should introduce a new line that supports the features that so many users want: EVF, weather sealing, etc.
Yep, it looks like an end for the Pen Lite line (especially after E-M10).
But there will be some Christmas gifts from Olympus Santa.
I so glad it hasn’t got an evf. This way I can enjoy some more whining comments from the troll brigade. Want an evf, buy another camera, but for god sake stay away from that keyboard!
How are we supposed to take pictures with this? It has been proven again and again that the 4/3 sensor size is insufficient for photographic purposes. Who wants huge blobs of chroma noise in their pictures, even at base ISO? Not I, that’s for sure.
I agree! A sensible voice in a cacophony of ignorance and confusion.
Easy ladies, easy.
Interesting… I look at the m43s sensor as being pretty damn good: Better DR than either a Canon 5D1 or 5D2 and actually has less noise overall than both of those cameras. People were happily doing professional work on those cameras, so why the hate to a sensor that is half the size and can give the same IQ per pixel? Not to mention an m43 camera is MUCH cheaper than either of those two FF cameras were when they were new.
To be fair the 1″ Sony cameras has better DR than most mFT cameras as for noise the 5Dmk2 is significantly better than mFT .Even the original 5D has better high ISO than the best mFT and it is 9yrs old a lifetime in digital years.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M5-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-II-versus-Canon-EOS-5D___793_483_176
Times and expectations move forward mFT cameras are not competing with years old tech they are competing with current gen state of the art gear. From the absolute fundamental aspect of image quality the fact remains that the best mFT cannot match even the cheapest APS models from Nikon,Sony & Pentax.
Usual fangirl myths, you never take pics “Bhima” do you? Now I must ask the usual question: are you only stupid or stupid and lying?
Olympus’ “partner,” Sony (has this partnership produced anything yet?) just announced the RX100iii. While not really a PEN competitor, Sony has done it again on the tech innovation front. The pop up, integrated EVF is invisible and takes up no room when not wanted, but pops up like a flash at a touch. The camera also features a popup flash, a hot shoe and a 180 tilt screen. PEN cameras have better sensors, interchangeable lenses, but sure could learn a thing or two from Sony here. A tiny PEN (or Panasonic GM1) with a pop up EVF and tilting LCD would be incredible.
Panasonic + Fuji partnership = organic sensors in both APS and M43 sizes
Olympus + Sony partnership = IBIS and UI know how for Sony, but what does Oly get?
Sensors.
Olympus explained to Imaging Resource that the Sony-Olympus partnership means that they buy certain camera components from each other. We know that Olympus buys sensors, but what Sony buys is a secret.
Anyway, there’s no sharing of patents, or co-development of cameras, just an exchange of components.
Thanks Watcher. So many manufacturers are getting sensors from Sony, the “partnership” might provide some level of priority. The organic sensor that Panasonic and Fuji are working on could break that stranglehold. Sigma should preemptively get aggressive with licensing out and partnering the Foveon, but that doesn’t seem in the cards.
This is the PEN Light. I have no problem with the fact that it omits an EVF or a flash (seemingly) as long as it’s priced accordingly. Unless it has some kind of magical feature we’re unable to deduce from the manual drawing (which to be fair, it may) I’d say at most, this camera should be sold for $499body/$549-599kit. At that price point, it could be a good value if offering current sensor tech, 5axis IBIS and access to the whole m4/3 system which is still far more mature than any of the current mirrorless systems. Much more than that, and I think it starts running into some serious competition offering more upside and/or feature. Everything has its place, but refreshed versions of older cameras are becoming less and less attractive with all that is now available on the market and herein lies the competition. Step it up, or fail.
I doubt that it will have 5-axis stabilization. It makes sense that you have to buy a higher tier camera to get that. No other camera manufacturer offers that…so.. Oly is not giving that away. I think my E-PL6 is a great small camera, (and this camera looks like it will be similar with some incremental improvements), especially for what I paid for it.
It has very decent stabilization, access to a killer VF and very small size. I really love it for what I paid for it.
I’d guess it will have the same 3 axis IBIS as the E-M10 or whatever it has and perhaps I just forgot my axes regarding the Oly system.
Either way, this camera is going to have to offer something over the previous version which I fail to see so far other than the newer processor? That, or it’s going to need to be priced accordingly (which doesn’t seem likely as the E-PL5 is still at $499 currently and I’d guess it’d be rebated if the newer version was coming in at that competitive price point). What does Oly’s market research tell them that people would be willing to pay for an E-M10 without an EVF, or an E-PL5 with a newer processor? That number is out there, and my guess is right around $500, but then again, this is also taking into consideration that this high end compact/mirrorless amalgamated segment is far more crowded than its ever been.
Oly hit a home run with the EM5, and has done decently well with the continuation of the OMD lineup, but without some new or vastly improved feature I think it will continue to slow and become a little stagnant.
Here’s to hoping I’m wrong, and Oly has some ace up its sleeve AND prices this camera at around $500.
Besides the newer processor, the other major upgrades over the previous E-PL’s seem to be WiFi, and the higher-resolution 3:2 LCD. Olympus seems to be discontinuing the E-PM2, and with no replacement on the horizon, the PL7 would be their entry-level M4/3 camera, so hopefully it will be priced accordingly. $500 with a lens would be great. I can’t see how they could possibly go over $600.
Ok..the increased resolution of the LCD screen is a significant improvement for a “more-entry-level” camera. I have an E-P5 also..and the difference in resolution of the LCD between the E-PL6 and the E-P5 is quite significant. It doesn’t bother me too much because I can review the images on my E-PL6 on the VF-4 which is very crisp..and a better way to go in any kind of lighting anyway. So we have wifi, another dial, a new sensor (with not really all that much improvement) and an LCD upgrade, that we know of..so these are all great improvements on a lower-line camera as far as I can see….nothing monumental..but also the button layout..that is probably what bothers me more than anything when I switch from the E-P5 ( well not having the 2 opposing dials is the biggest)…having those two buttons on the left side definitely slow the fluidity of the E-PL6.
It’s somewhat awkward compared to the E-P5 which I think is a true gem.
Just another pen. Why bother. I’m just glad Panasonic is bringing out truly new stuff. I think the last 3 bodies have brought new tech and pushed the format forward with things like the smallest interchangeable lens camera on the planet, built in viewfinder in a rangefinder style body and of course awesome 4K video and a blazing fast processor. Oly seems to be in a rut right now, I hope they get out of it soon. I’d like them to tempt me to part with my cash with something…
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You just could not contain yourself and just HAD to gush your Pantardation on an Olympus E-PL7 rumor page………..
So sad.
Observer is a real Oly fanboy. Both brands are important for the system. This war doesn’t drive us anywhere. Mike has his points, what’s the matter with that?
Ed… I do own two Olympus cameras. I will not be buying the E-PL7 though….but I can tell you that with ALL of the GH4 posts I have not gone to any of the GH4 post pages and gushed about how much better that I think all of the Olympus products are over the Panasonic ones, and how I hope Panasonic can get its act together. Pretty annoying read when I came to discuss a new Olympus model. So I am entitled to my opinion as well.
I never said it was a bad camera, or any Oly’s were bad. I just want to see something truly new from both companies. The IBIS seems to be a real important item for some and I give them credit for that and they seem to be able to get better JPG’s out of the same sensor so that’s great for JPG shooters and I guess they’ve improved the focus on their old heavy lenses. For me, I can live without all those things, so I’d just like to see some innovation from them that helps move the system forward. Maybe I’m missing something in this camera that makes it significant, please enlighten me. Panasonic has pumped out its fair share of insignificant upgrade models as well, but right now they seem to be making some nice strides. I was really hoping for a built in EVF on this camera or something to make me drool just a little, and I guess that’s why I’m a little bummed at the lackluster specs.
Really hope Oly could have got rid of that stick-on looking grip design. A more integrated grip, such as the one on E-PL2, would have been much nicer.