UPDATE: The full GH4 presentation PDF file at Personal View (Click here) and scroll down to the “GH4 Presentation link“. The file contains many bold claims from Panasonic. Like: “High Picture Quality – Far Exceeding APS-C“.
Really, download the file and read it. It’s full of details!
P.S.: Amazon removed the warning saying GH4 preorders will start on March 17 (Click here).
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In many ways the GH4 puts many “full” frame cameras to shame…
YEAH ! FANBOYS CONVENTION !
I am a fan of MFT…don’t get me wrong…I own a giant kit with two cameras (Olympus, of course), and 10 MFT lenses…so I am really a fan…… B.U.T……… I think that Panasonic saying of the GH-4 that it has “HIgh Picture Quality Far Exceeding APS-C” is mostly laughable. I am a stills guy only..so maybe they are talking about the video…don’t know…picture quality could mean anything……but I personally know that there are plenty of APS-C cameras that can go head to head with this camera if the stills coming out of the GH-4 are the same as the GH-3 as reported. The the fanboyz have a Fan-A-Thon. ..oh…and none of these cameras touch the IQ of my full frame kit….not even close fantards….what are you smoking?????? Really.
>>>>and none of these cameras touch the IQ of my full frame kit
In absolute terms, yes the Nikon D800e smokes every other DSLR on the market when it comes to it’s combination of resolution and high dynamic range.
But many working pros have realized that they don’t need any more resolution than the 16 Mpx the Nikon D4 provides, and that the Olympus OM-D EM-1 produces suitable IQ for their assignment work.
Yes, the Nikon D4 is better for high ISO low-light shooting, or high speed sports action, but if you don’t need either of these requirements ( most of us don’t ) then a camera like the OM-D EM-1 ( any maybe this new GH4 camera ) are more than sufficient to shoot your assignments.
The EM-1 5-axis IBIS system is an absolute miracle when compared to any other DSLR stabilizing technology, and one of the reasons why pro shooters are achieving extremely high hit rates when they shoot with this camera. ( i.e they are editing out shots for artistic reasons, not because of focus or exposure )
WOW! All of those paragraphs that you wrote and I can still state that the “Image Quality” coming out of my FF camera is better than the IQ coming out of the EM1. I own both systems. They both have their attributes…but the facts still remain the facts. I might add that the IQ is significantly better than even the E-M1. that does not make the EM1 a bad camera…but my MFT files pale in comparison especially with the ISO cranked…even a little. I compare the results often and that is the truth.
>>>>WOW! All of those paragraphs that you wrote and I can still state that the “Image Quality” coming out of my FF camera is better than the IQ coming out of the EM1.
…But you’re still missing the point, in that the IQ of the EM-1 is more than enough to shoot professional work.
So yes, in absolute terms there will always be higher end cameras that can produce “better” IQ, but this is meaningless if you don’t need that “better” IQ for your work. The IQ of the EM-1 ( and maybe this Panasonic GH4 ) already do the job.
And the Micro 4/3 sensor tech is poised to take a big jump forward with the Panasonic / Fuji tech collaboration that should start showing results next year.
I am not missing the point.
“If I don’t need to make large prints”
“If I need to shoot in low light and not have noise in the shadows to make a fine-art print”
“If I need to shoot action in low light at a high frame rate”
“If I need more dynamic range and clarity”
“If I want AF shooting sports with a super tele”
Then MFT is just fine. I have a MFT kit and I use it when I can. but unless I am posting things on the web, my images always look better when I print from my full frame. My highlights tend to blow-out with MFT. They are less likely to do that with FF.
There are a LOT of “ifs” there if you NEED professional results. Not results that satisfy an enthusiast, but professional camera handling and results in difficult environments…which most are. I love my MFT equipment…but it is still limited compared to my FF. It is getting better…but it is not there, at the level I am talking about yet. That is just the facts and me sharing my knowledge and experience. Anyone trying to argue that is uninformed, inexperienced or just a fanboy. Let me give you and
example or two. 1.Look at a press conference for the White House. All DSLR’s, 2. Look on the sidelines of a Football Game..All DSLR’s .
If your output is just for the web and you just shoot in normal light and no serious action then yeah…a $1400 E-M1 body will carry the load….but in any other situation a FF DSLR gives you MANY advantages over any MFT camera. Just facts.
>>>>but unless I am posting things on the web, my images always look better when I print from my full frame. My highlights tend to blow-out with MFT. They are less likely to do that with FF.
I haven’t found this when comparing 11×14 inch prints from the Canon 5D Mk3 with prints I’ve shot with my GH3. With larger prints, I would expect to see some detail improvements, but nothing ground shaking.
>>>>There are a LOT of “ifs” there if you NEED professional results.
From 30+ years of shooting stills ( 20 years of this shooting professionally ), I’ve always found that it was the shooter that made for professional results, and rarely if ever the gear.
Gear today is so good, I’ve seen ad campaigns being shot on pocket digital cameras, and the results are outstanding.
>>>>I love my MFT equipment…but it is still limited compared to my FF
Yes, depending what you shoot, m4/3 gear may not be the best choice. But for the majority of professional photography being shot today, the OM-D EM-1 ( and maybe this new GH4 ) are a good fit.
>>>>example or two. 1.Look at a press conference for the White House. All DSLR’s, 2. Look on the sidelines of a Football Game..All DSLR’s
For this type of work ( extreme low-light photography, high-speed action photography, landscape/studio photography were maximum detail is first priority ) DSLRs are the optimal fit, but for other commercial photography the OM-D EM-1 is a great fit.
>>>>If your output is just for the web and you just shoot in normal light and no serious action then yeah…a $1400 E-M1 body will carry the load
If you don’t need prints larger than 16×20, if you don’t shoot high-speed action events, if you don’t need extreme low-light capability, then the EM-1 is a great fit.
…I expect to shoot with a 30 Mpx m4/3 camera with 15+ stops of dynamic range within the next 5 years, and at that point I don’t think Full Frame cameras will have any advantage over the m4/3 format.
Whatever. I am living in the present.
Bobby, honey, you’re living in a dream world of your own creation.
Please be less stupid.
I knew somebody would say that m43 is better than FF 😛
You do not disappoint YouDidntDidYou!
on video side … my old gh2 beat many ff … in photo…no way… never.
GH4 quality is so high that it can see around corners and back in time. NASA use the GH4 quality to observe Hawking radiation evaporating from black holes. GCHQ use the GH4 to locate dry land in Surrey.
I caught my wife cheating with a GH4 from across 800 yards using its infrared nigh vision feature and I Resolution set to the max. The superior resolution and low light definition showed more information that I was prepared to see… Now I am single, but with the GH4 fu@ck yeah
Do not confuse Panasonic GH3 and GH4 simpleton fans with m43 enthusiasts.
Panasonic left the m43 boat right after the GH2.
Now Panasonic is in cukoo land
What’s in the PDF???
I’m behind a corporate wall… 🙁
The PDF is pretty impressive. Hopefully we will see most of these features in a smaller package soon.
That PDF is so sweet marketing candy that started my tooth pain 🙁 🙁
I’d like to exchange some of marketing mambo jumbo for internal 4:2:2 recording even with 8bits.
It didn’t take ling for a resident fanboy to jump in with his intelligent commentary…
But most of us here already knew about his IQ level…so why the surprise?
Here goes the usual imbecile, another non-photographer with a name that shows the depths of ignorance (“YouDidn+whatever”).
The usual useless fanboy… People check out his pictures, they are really useless 🙂
The GH4 will beat all “full frame” cameras when it comes to video, hands down, no question about it.
And Panasonic has for a LOOONG TIME now been beating all the current full frame competition when it comes to filming! Ever since their very first GH camera, the GH1 (I own one myself).
Well, since the release of magic lantern, any recent canon EOS beats any other camera hands down.
Many M43 cameras put DSLR’s to shame but its cameras like the latest M43 pro bodies that drive the nail into the DSLR coffin.
Another non-photographer babbling away. I did not know Panasonic paid so many people.
Notice especially on page 12 where the chart makes reference to an AF105 – which I believe will be announced before NAB. And why are the 4K boxes unchecked for that camera but highlighted in blue? Mysterious!
The camera already exists: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/panasonic-announces-af105-four-thirds-camcorder-interchangeable/
Haha, okay lol I’m an idiot. But still, we’re going to see an AF successor by NAB. I have no information to this effect, but I believe it completely.
for video I can almost guarantee it’ll be better than APS-C Cams. For stills, it’s a bold claim, but hey that’s marketing. 🙂
+1
Well, actually it’s quite possible that this camera puts out better stills than any APS if it has active cooling (we already know that it has some kind of powerful cooling to make the 4k stuff work). Afaik the main bulk of many research-grade imaging systems comes from their cooling stuff, not the imaging parts themselves.
If the cooling system is constantly active, you’ll see a lot less noise/more DR even when the basic sensor technology hasn’t been improved.
But until I see real evidence I’m still gonna assume that this is just marketing BS.
I doubt it would beat a Fuji xt1 for stills. I’d be happy to be wrong though.
+1,000,000,000
+1, for stills just check dxomark (not saying it’s 100% correct but should give you a general idea): best apsc 84, em-1 73, rx10 69. so the gap between these three formats is 11 vs 4. If anyone clams APSC is only slightly better than m43 then 1″ sony sensor is pretty much the same as m43.
Support the format you like, just don’t be a fanboy.
I see it talks about 10 bit 422 though HDMI and also mentions 4K, has this been talked about at all? Could be a lot cheaper if BM comes out with a new Hyperdeck that does 4K HDMI recording.
That is what I have my fingers crossed for, a new affordable 4K recorder from Blackmagic Design!
If they do, then the cost of the recorder together with cheap SSD will quickly become cheaper in terms of total cost than buying very fast SD cards!
>>>>That is what I have my fingers crossed for, a new affordable 4K recorder from Blackmagic Design!
…You still need the Panasonic “Brick” to record external 4K footage from the GH4, so it’s still not going to be cheap.
If all you need is 1080P 10-bit 4:2:2, then the $700 Ninja 2 recorder is all you need to add to the GH4. ( no “Brick” required )
Blackmagic should make a super small prores HQ 10 bit sd-card recorder from their pocket camera by removing the sensor, lens mount and screen. Full size hdmi ports and a locking mechanism for securing them. THAT I would buy.
What is this “picture quality”? Is it still or video?
In any case, I’m not holding my breath for still image quality higher than anything else other than the GH3.
Comparison chart claims the af works in light that’s 4EV lower than the GH3 (-4 vs 0 EV). That’s significant.
@Zeuss
I never have any problems using magnified manual focus view in those scenarios but having in autofocus at -4ev is nice.
Incorrect… GH3 firmware updated low light auto focus to -3EV capability, so it is an improvement of 1 stop over the current GH3.
Panasonic wants DSLR blood me thinks, hope they back it up with an effective market campaign.
The new wireless flash sounds great. FL-580
Indeedy 🙂
The next G-7 with this specs will be a nice full-hd cam…for 499,-$
Panasonic announces 4K camera. Blackmagic drops 4K camera price and ships. Your move Panasonic.
competitive price announcement
Panasonic’s move? Pany moves its Queen into position and declares “Check-Mate, Blackmagic”.
If they announce this week a list price of $1699 and start accepting pre orders.
The best MFT will never have better IQ than the best APS-C as the best APS-C will never have better IQ than the best FF. That’s physics. Same goes for the FF – MF – LF.
However every system has its own advantages and disadvantages. It’s not all about IQ. Size, Weight, AF, CAF, Ruggedness, Price/Performance Ratio are great variable that define every system. There are jack of all trades systems and there are specialized ones.
In the end having more systems to choose from it’s the consumers gain.
There is always the potential for disruptive technology that leaps beyond prior technological norms. That would probably only be the case if an organic sensor was in the GH4, which I do not think will be the case this time around.
We didn’t even see the organic sensor performing in a working camera, yet. And why would only an organic sensor be able to make a disruptive leap? I’m sure there are all kind of mystical alley companies, experimenting with all sorts of toxic waste or rainforest plant juice (or even both) to achieve a eureka kind of sensor performing reaction.
>>>>The best MFT will never have better IQ than the best APS-C as the best APS-C will never have better IQ than the best FF. That’s physics
Nobody shoots with “physics”, we shoot with actual cameras…
So it’s very possible for a Micro 4/3 camera to outperform every APS-C on the market, if the Micro 4/3 technology is implemented better.
I think we are starting to see this in the real world with cameras like the Olympus OM-D EM-1 and this new Panasonic GH4, combined with high performance optics that exceed the performance of Canon / Nikon lenses. ( i.e. Pro lenses that are sharp at full aperture )
“So it’s very possible for a Micro 4/3 camera to outperform every APS-C on the market, if the Micro 4/3 technology is implemented better”
No sensor manufacturer is standing still and waiting. So when MFT gets better also the APS-C, FF and other formats are improving. That’s the way it goes in every domain.
>>>>So when MFT gets better also the APS-C, FF and other formats are improving
Depends on who owns the technology. Lots of companies are not nice about sharing their technology, and will use everything they can to keep it out of the hands of their competitors.
Panasonic and Fuji are working together on new sensor technology that will bring greater than 14 stops of dynamic-range to their sensors, and this tech is supposed to arrive next year.
I expect to see things change in a big way, as this new sensor tech starts showing up in our photo/video gear.
@ Guy McLoughlin
You are aware that Fuji makes an APSC camera right?! If Panasonic offers a m43 camera with the organic sensor, Fuji will also announce it too!
>>>>You are aware that Fuji makes an APSC camera right?! If Panasonic offers a m43 camera with the organic sensor, Fuji will also announce it too!
…But so far Fuji has a long way to go in developing their non-sensor camera technologies.
Olympus has the best Micro 4/3 still photo tech, and I can see it getting a lot better as they start rolling out more of their expensive “Pro” lenses.
…I expect that within 10 years APS-C and Micro 4/3 cameras will start to completely out perform Full Frame cameras, when sensor tech is so good that size difference will make no difference.
Fuji has better iq than Olympus (the E-M1 has noise even at iso 200-400) and their primes are way better than the Olympus ones (optical performances and materials – Leica style materials). Panasonic and Olympus have a slight advantage regarding the 2.8 zooms but next year the advantage is nil because Fuji will also launch it’s own 2.8 zooms. The only real advantage of Olympus vs Fuji is the AF and CAF, but the X-E2 and the X-T1 are not too far.
>>>>Fuji has better iq than Olympus
But if you’ve read the pro reviews where the Olympus OM-D EM-1 is put up against the new Fuji cameras, almost every time the professional shooter states that they would pick the Olympus camera over the Fuji for their work. ( lots of pro shoots stating that they are getting close to 100 percent hit-rate with the EM-1 )
:)))
At base iso 43 is much better from resolution and color reproduction, fuji is better from 1600 and up..
Fuji raw file have a lots of problem in the highlight recovery and a lots of artifacts.
@ Andy. For example, Canon is using the same aps-c sensors since when?? All of them score below any m43 from new generation according to dxomark.
That’s why at iso 200 the E-M1 produces grainy pictures and Fuji (X-E2 for example) is cristal clear. Compare the skies.
This is a quick comparison http://photographylife.com/reviews/fuji-x-e2/6
And remember, for stock photographers clear images at lower iso settings is a must.
Also Fuji has better colors. The only disadvante of the X-Trans are the RAF files because you need 2 raw editors to get good results. This is going to change with the future Lightroom according to the rumors 🙂
You’ve really bought into the hype you if you believe that every Fuji prime is “way” better than Olympus/Panasonic equivalents. Their lenses are indeed made of great materials and have appealing designs, but most of them really aren’t that extraordinary optically.
I still have to see a M43 camera come close to the old 5D1. The thing is, M43 just don’t deliver; and they cost *more* than 135s when you look at equivalent setups.
Then we have delusional behavior, and some of us must say it’s quite the opposite…
Or are you paid to spread this bullcrap?
>>>>I still have to see a M43 camera come close to the old 5D1. The thing is, M43 just don’t deliver; and they cost *more* than 135s when you look at equivalent setups.
Ming Thein : Commenting on Sony A7 and A7R, and Fuji X-E2
“I think wasting four days wrestling the camera and getting mediocre results was masochistic; I kept wishing I’d brought my OM-D instead. I suppose in a way I’m glad I didn’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have really forced myself to use the X-E2.”
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/10/16/sony-a7-a7r/
Ming Thein : Comparing OM-D EM-1 to the current Canon / Nikon Line-up
“Bottom line: there is simply nothing quite like the E-M1 at the moment – a very compact professional system camera.”
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/09/11/the-2013-olympus-om-d-e-m1-review-2/
Lindsay Dobson : Why she replaced her Canon Full Frame cameras with Micro 4/3 Cameras
http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/micro-four-thirds-vs-full-frame/
The em1 is the best camera for me, I am sure of it! but if Ming Thein is the best you can do as an impartial expert there is no point even finding out who Lindsay Dobson is. Your argument is embarrassing me into looking elsewhere for my next camera…
Caveat, Ming Thien is a very good photog, I am not knocking his abilities.
>>>>but if Ming Thein is the best you can do as an impartial expert there is no point even finding out who Lindsay Dobson is.
…If you can provide a better example of a working professional photographer that has extensive experience with Canon, Nikon, Olympus, and Panasonic cameras, then be my guest and fire away. If you can’t, then you’ve really got nothing of any substance to add to this conversation.
Here is a list of the gear that Ming Thein uses for his professional assignments, as of November 2013.
Ming Thein : What Am I Using Now
http://blog.mingthein.com/2013/11/04/what-am-i-using-now/
Lindsay Dobson is a successful professional shooter, that has extensive experience with Canon Full Frame and Micro 4/3 gear. She definitely knows what she is talking about.
Myself, I started out working in advertising/illustration photography in the early 80’s, shooting on everything from Nikon F3s, Hasselbad 6x6cm, Mamiya RZ67 6x7cm, Sinar P 4×5, Sinar P 8×10, and one very fun shoot with a Polaroid 20×24 inch instant-print camera and 30,000 watt-seconds of Speedotron Black-line studio flash. ( I could see the bones in my hand when the flash went off )
For the past decade I’ve been mainly shooting video, but I might get back into commercial still photography with a couple of Olympus OM-D bodies.
Guy, I’m glad your are happy with your camera, I am sure you are getting great images out of it. However Ming Thien was doing promotional activities for Olympus long before the EM1. He is a famous Olympus man and definitely not impartial. I don’t knock the em1
>>>>However Ming Thien was doing promotional activities for Olympus long before the EM1. He is a famous Olympus man and definitely not impartial.
Ming seems to love Leicas, Nikons, and Hasselblad as much as he does Olympus.
And he backs everything in his reviews with image examples that appear to hold water from an objective eye.
Other professional reviewers often arrive at the same conclusions as Ming when it comes to using certain Olympus gear for professional work.
I come from a background of 10+ years in professional large format ( 4×5 and 8×10 ) photography, so I am a pretty good judge of imaging technology, and to date I have mostly been in agreement with other pros when it comes to using Micro 4/3 gear.
Sensor tech has been the achilles heel of the 4/3 and Micro 4/3 cameras, but this is all starting to change, and I honestly expect Canon and Nikon are going to be forced to rethink their Full Frame strategy within the next 5 years.
Once we have 30+ Mpx Micro 4/3 sensors, with 15+ stops of dynamic range, I don’t think Full Frame cameras will matter any more. ( i.e. No advantage to using them )
Phone cams are doing what compacts did 5 years ago.
Compacts are doing what Crops did 5 years ago
Crop is the new ff
and ff is the new MF…
And the world moves on…
Really Guy, can’t you say something out of your own experience? Are you so insecure that you have to quote someone else? IQ comparisons are readily done: the old 5D1 *smokes* any M43 or 43 sensor ever made. I tried that. Anything else is a lie or the fruit of stupidity, or both.
Besides, I am glad you like your camera and I have no intention of offending any cameras, I know nerds are very touchy.
>>>>Really Guy, can’t you say something out of your own experience?
I wish I could, but I shoot professional video these days with Panasonic GH2 and GH3 cameras. I used to shoot video with Canon cameras, but sold all my Canon gear after using the GH2 for one month. I will definitely upgrade to the GH4 when it’s out.
I have used some of Canon/Nikon cameras for video work ( Canon 60D, Canon 5D Mk2, Canon 5D Mk3, Nikon D5200, Nikon D7000 ), but nothing for professional photo assignments.
I got out of the professional photo market in the late 90’s when computer retouching destroyed the profit margins for high-end illustration photography. ( agencies did not care about getting a perfect shot in camera any more, as they could fix anything with a Scitex system, so day rates dropped through the floor )
I am thinking of getting back into shooting professional still work, mainly because I already own a lot of Micro 4/3 gear, and m4/3 cameras have finally reached the point where they are competitive with Canon and Nikon. ( and I have some clients who have asked me if I was interested in shooting stills for them )
There are a number of pro shooters who have switched from Full Frame to Micro 4/3 cameras, and I see this trend becoming bigger as more professional m4/3 gear comes on the market ( new lenses and cameras with better sensors )
From early 2012 >> http://admiringlight.com/blog/micro-43-vs-a-full-frame-legend/
Michael Reichmann : Best New Camera of 2013
“Photographers interested in heading out into the world with a top quality camera, with high usability, the ability to take almost any lens ever made, and do so while producing 16MP images of excellent quality at up to ISO 3200, and even higher, will find that the E-M1 won’t disappoint. And for this reason I rank the E-M1 as the best camera of 2013.”
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/best_new_camera_of_2013.shtml
It is certainly possible for a 4/3 size sensor to incorporate technology that isn’t possible at APS-C or FF size. The smaller the sensor size, the higher the yield. The more cutting edge process or technology is used, the lower the yield. Therefore, there can exist technologies that would make acceptable yields at 4/3 sizes but end up being cost prohibitive due to poor yields at larger sensor sizes.
Really, what new sensor tech has Canon come up with? In years…?
Canon’s 70D sensor is new:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-70d/3
And a middleweight will never outbox a heavyweight?
Heavier cameras don’t take better pictures… 🙂
The heavy-weight might end up being the newer and better technology.
Both the middleweight and the heavyweight are training and improving so the gap between them will remain pretty much the same 🙂
>>>>Both the middleweight and the heavyweight are training and improving so the gap between them will remain pretty much the same
The past heavy-weights are bloated and out of shape, with next to no improvements in their new models.
In the DSLR video world, I think Panasonic have given the knockout punch that neither Canon or Nikon will be able to counter. 200 Mbits of unlimited 1080p recording, 100 Mbits of unlimited 4K recording, with 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 recording.
Nikon won’t counter because they are a photo company, just like Olympus or Fuji. On the other hand, Canon and Sony both have great video products and expertise. So they may follow Panasonic in this regard and add some great video features in their next high-end consumer cameras.
@Andy
Olympus have stated they are working on video.
>>>>>Olympus have stated they are working on video.
But the Olympus 5-axis IBIS system is a problem when you need to have a large and heavy heat-sink attached to the sensor to be able to shoot high bit-rate 4K video for unlimited lengths of time.
I expect Olympus will definitely improve their video, but I think they are going to remain the m4/3 still photo king, while Panasonic remains the video king.
Down the road, I will definitely buy an Olympus body for still photo work. ( I currently shoot with two GH2 and one GH3 body )
The heavyweight is fat and living off past glories, the middleweight is more hungry, lean and agile…
That is only true when they train and improve at the same speed.
Real life is more organic than that.
Your initial claim should be appended with “… as time tends to infinity.”
There are several examples within a time frame in history where bigger isn’t necessarily better. Here’s one: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmf30/14
Might be the way to bet.
Middleweight might get some exclusive patents that the heavyweight… Oh, maybe this analogy has its limits 🙂
LMAO. ^_^
@Andy
According to physics:
Elephant has large eyes and brain, falcon has small eyes and brain which ones has better vision?
Blue whale has large eyes and brain, cuttlefish has small eyes and brain which one has better vision?
Joking is not going to make a small sensor have better DR or IQ than a bigger one 🙂
But like I said before every sensor size is good for some type of work. MFT is good for travel, macro, candids, street, FF is good for landcape, portraits and the APS-C is the jack of all trades. MF and LF are aimed at pros so are even more specialized.
@Andy
The falcon/eagle/owl and the cuttlefish/squid have better wiring, better but not bigger sensors, faster readouts etc they are more refined and evolved…
Your comments are not objective that’s for sure 🙂
Do you understand what you are talking about? The eye of a bird is not a refinement, but a completely different evolutionary technology to a mammals eye. Camera sensors we know about, are merely refinements to pr existing technologies.. Olympus is also a consumer of these technologies, not a producer. While this remains the case Oly is not going to hold a monopoly on any disruptive sensor tech.
>>>>While this remains the case Oly is not going to hold a monopoly on any disruptive sensor tech.
…But it’s more than just sensor tech.( Olympus has been using Sony and Panasonic sensors for the past few years )
Olympus hit a home-run with the OM-D EM-1 camera, that so far nobody else has been able to do, and I expect this is only the start for Olympus.
I am also very curious to see what the GH4 is like for still photo work, as this is a new camera sensor with a very powerful new image processor. ( BTW, the OM-D EM-1 uses a Panasonic sensor )
Probably you never developed a raf file…take a picture with a omd and pana 25mmf1.4 at iso200@f4 and fuji and 35mmf1.4 at iso 200@f4 and you’ll see that omd has much more resolution then fuji file and better DR in the highlights…
If size is everything, we’d still be using collodion plates. They’re a lot larger than full frame. No one I know would argue that even the worst camera today is worlds better than what was available then. Why so hung up on sensor size?
may i gree,but except they(panny) send new tech such as Organic Sensor or Micro splitter for NOW!
this time ,no comment
“Random Filter NR” sounds interesting.
Marketing. Though if paired with some of m43 primes results can beat that of some aps-c sensor camera.
Companies tend to gather attention in this way. Last week Fuji claimed its T1 had the faster AF. This morning Sony declares its a6000 has it.
And so on.
Fact is that today all new cameras deliver a more than good great output. It’s up to us to take a nice photo/video out of them.
Possibly marketing, but I don’t think so.
It doesn’t look like this presentation was ever intended for public release. If they wanted those claims to be made publicly a lot of these claims would have been in the press release, no?
I mean, Panasonic even speculate on a Canon 7D successor in their presentation. Surely they wouldn’t want that seen?
But I agree the far exceeding APS-C maybe be referring to video, which it no doubt does, or perhaps it refers to jpegs, in which case maybe Panasonic has made massive improvements to their JPEG output.
Anyway, I don’t believe it’s marketing in this case.
“The Ultimate Contrast AF — Exceeding Phase-Difference AF!” (p. 22) I’ll believe it when I see it, but it would be a marvellous achievement if true, and destroy arguably the DSLR’s last remaining advantage (apart from high-end OVFs, I suppose).
What happen to MCS tech ?
I assume Pana already got it & suppose to install at it’s latest cameras , example this GH4 .
The bold claim by Pana regarding it’s Image quality far exceeds APSC proven Pana is ambitious .
Should be around there in my opinion .
Even if it is marketing it’s a very bold claim to publish in a document especially as it says “far exceeds”. Considering they list the Nikon 7100 as a direct competitor in that document, which has a sensor scoring around 83 on DXO, it’s all the more interesting.
Marketing. But after eading the presentation, I feel like moving from GH3, which I love, to GH4 …
Today we crush APS-C, Tomorrow Medium Format~!!!
Now THAT would be dis ruptive technology. >_>’
Well, they do not specify which APS-C. Is it one of those Canon models many years back, 300D or something (which were brilliant at that time).
Or maybe they are referring to the newer ones… http://goo.gl/ahgSSp
It’s probably my new canon , with it’s underpowered sensor… 🙁
I wonder how much the cooling system would benefit long exposures. Any thoughts?
Finally! Something that will utterly destroy the famed Sigma! Oh wait.. probably not…
Presentation file is no longer available! Can somebody send me?
At this time a non-MFT camera claims to have the fastest autofocus across all interchangeable lens cameras: a Sony one.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/02/11/sony-alpha-6000-review-hands-on-with-the-nex-6s-new-high-res-speed-demon-re
@ kesztió
The videos demonstrating the AF are very impressive + the price of the new camera is very aggressive as well!
But I’m sure you believe that the E-M1 is faster, without any comparisons, right?
Anyone have a working link to the GH4_Presentation.pdf file?
GH4 Presentation : PDF Format
http://www.personal-view.com/logo/GH4_Presentation.pdf
On Page 10 it shows the competitors and the Nikon 7100 is listed. The 7100 camera scores overall 83 on DXO mark which is quite a distance from the latest m43 sensors at around 73.
So are they saying the GH4 sensor has better performance than the Nikon 7100? Seems very hard to believe.
Sure….Better than APS-c….What? APS-c from 2005 or so? I like Panny, I like this cam a lot and either this or G7 will rpelace my GH2. But this kind of nonsense is so not needed. It is in the same class to me as Samsung showing a APS-c (in size) vs a mFT (in size) in wich the APS-c is easily twice as large. Same lies. Stop that, Panasonic!
>>>>Sure….Better than APS-c….What? APS-c from 2005 or so?
While I am not a fan of the DxOMark review methodology, it appears that the Panasonic GH3 outperforms the Canon 70D, but falls short of the Nikon D7100.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-70D-versus-Nikon-D7100-versus-Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GH3___895_865_842
…So who knows, maybe the GH4 will equal or beat the D7100 when it is tested?
Yes that’s what I was wondering. The 7100 has a significant advantage over the GH3. Also I thought the GH4 was a similar Panasonic sensor to the but EM1. However the improvements could be due to image processing or pipeline.
The D7100 would be my dream camera for photography at the moment 🙂 It is the top performing semi-pro APS-C camera. But for now I use a Nikon D90 instead. (but for filming I use a Panasonic GH1)
If the GH4 exceeds the D7100 that would be amazing!
Now that it’s pretty much officially a video camera, I wonder why keep the stills camera shape?
Because it is also a very good STILLS camera. Would you buy it if it were only a video cam? No, I didn’t think so. You answered your own question.
The GH1/GH2 targeted a different niche to the AF100
And so it will be with the GH4 vs AF200 (if an AF200 happens??? Fingers crossed!)
Well, it should for that price. It’s far more expensive than any APS-C camera!
lots of this or that is better talk here, but most of us dont really need the best for what we are doing do we? More satisfaction is guaranteed with a great shot then with just the greatest tech.
What I’m saying is for an m43 to score the same as a Nikon 7100 on DXO would represent a significant ( 1 stop +) increase in performance. I hope this is true because it seemed to me that m43 sensor technology stalled at the EM5 and this is a 2 yr old camera in production terms. I didn’t really want to buy the EP5, Gx7, EM1, GH3 because these were very expensive cameras yet still used the OMD-EM5 type sensor.
Also it seems that canon and Nikon will put much better sensors in their lower end models. I has a look at the Nikon 3100 and even the new entry level models are getting very good sensors.
>>>because it seemed to me that m43 sensor technology stalled at the EM5 and this is a 2 yr old camera in production terms
Yes, because the EM-5 sensor was made by Sony, and Sony did not seem too keen on making a better sensor for Olympus. Olympus was also in a heap of financial trouble , so they could do nothing about this situation.
Panasonic kind of got caught with their pants down, when Sony and Canon sensor technology started to have a big impact on the market and Panasonic had nothing to counter this. But Panasonic/Fuji sensor tech is starting to change this, and will have a bigger impact next year. ( the EM-1 uses a Panasonic sensor )
Nikon had their high end sensors made by Sony, though this has changed. I am not sure who is making their high end sensors now, but some of their lower end sensors come from Toshiba.
>>>>Also it seems that canon and Nikon will put much better sensors in their lower end models.
These are the Toshiba sensors, which are very good as you say.