The test performed by Dpreview.
Our source (Thank You!) were right and the E-P5 now got the 0 shock feature via firmware update. The bad news is that the same source said there is no E-M5 firmware update coming any time soon. This means no 0 anti shock feature coming for E-M5 camera owners yet.
In the meantime Dpreview already tested the zero shock feature of the E-P5 and writes:
e haven’t done any real-world shooting with this yet, but our test shots suggest it’s very effective at reducing image shake at the ‘danger’ speeds. The blurring that’s visible in the first image below is reduced by enabling 0 sec anti-shock. The mode adds a very subtle delay to the shutter response, but one measured in miliseconds. We see no reason not to ensure ‘0 Sec Anti-Shock’ is always applied – resolving the issue outlined in our original review.
Great news for all E-P5 owners!
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dont have E-P5 ..just curious..how the 0 shock works.
Do you have to always activate it or is it doing camera automaticaly once 5axis is on & the shutter speed is at “danger speed” ?
You have to activate it manually in the Anti-Shock menu.
you have to activate it always once you see you gonna make picture at danger speed ?
…or you activate it in menu and the software apply when necessary ?
I believe that once activated it is always in action.
It is like any feature in the menu. You turn it on, it stays on. It activatse electonic first curtain all the time for shutter speeds at 1/320 and below whenevers they are used.
thanks…that explains it fully, hope they do it for e-m10 too..and would be unfair if not for e-m5 too
Shutter shock is supposedly caused by the EP5’s new shutter, capable of 1/8000s. EM1 has it too. EM5 and EM10 don’t – so they don’t require this fix.
Supposedly – as there is not much info about this – did they ever actually admit the shutter shock issue?
Anyways, just in time, as I’m leaving on a trip tomorrow – and I definitely have the issue with my EP5, even sent it in for repair to no avail.
Oh come on Oly. Show your loyal customers some love and bring this to the camera that put you on the map again.
Fuji is looking more interesting every day. I already bought a second hand x100 and the features and upgrades it received over the years is how it should be for a camera over 1000 euros.
As the E-P5 was known to have the shock issue – does the E-M5 suffer from it as well to make it a mandatory update?
Not mine…
No need to leave the system just because Olympus is pooping in their shoes at every turn. Panasonic is releasing some of the best cameras around these days. I guess that why it’s good to have 2 players in the system. Don’t get me wrong though. Fuji are really nice. Them and Panasonic are the ones leading the mirrorless way (Sony fanboys settle down. They make great bodies, and too few lenses)
http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/olympus-results.html
you’re right.
I don’t know why 43 Rumors isn’t talking about this. Once again, Olympus is in the crapper and it’s getting worse. Year after year, their cameras are selling less. They are sitting on massive inventory, while Fuji and Panasonic are selling.
They are going to exit mirrorless soon. Somebody will buy Olympus. But it sure won’t be Sony. They can’t sell any cameras either.
This next Pen will be the straw that broke the camels back. That’s what I think.
seems like no one wants to talk about this looming danger… Denial?
First I’ve heard of it. Sad. Olympus should be announcing E-M6 and releasing firmware improvements for the E-M5 rather than playing high finance games and talking about Pens and FF and other “Trips”.
Agreed. Another Pen will seriously hurt them. It’s not going to sell, unless it’s $399 or less… And we know that’ll never happen.. Fire sale, perhaps, brand new? NO.
I would pay 400 EUR for the best PEN and a kit lens – or a prime on choice. Those guys must be laundering money, if they either buy or sell the EP5 for a grand.
“Olympus sold 40,000 EM-10’s in the first quarter. This was half what they expected, due to manufacturing delays.”
That is the truth. I had a EM10 on order from B&H for a month. Got sick of waiting and got a GX7 instead.
I tested one the other day. The menus suck, otherwise simpa, but then I saw the price and I went, next!
The 0sec anti shock does not work with Sequential H or L, other anti shock modes (ie: 1/8 sec) works. Cannot understad why.
I bought an em5…bye bye oly
Are you a dummy spitter?
Nice update from Olympus. I would like to see firmware updates having improvements also from Panasonic. They do updates only to support new lenses, or fix critical problems.
Let’s say, I would like to see an improvement for focus peaking in GX7 to have both horizontal and vertical peaking, and not only horizontal as it is now.
Why Olympus gives us no update for the E-M5 (fokus peaking; anti shock)?
I cannot understand this behavior.
Andreas
Probably because it uses the earlier processor. That would be a hardware upgrade!
As to 0 s anti-shock, I’d say because I’ve never seen a report that shutter shock ever was a problem with the E-M5, and I know people myself with an E-M5 who had a very attentive eye on the subject and never found anything wrong. Regarding focus peaking, I have no idea. Personally, I never found focus peaking too helpful, though (using a NEX-3 and a NEX-C3), I always found it more distracting from the subject than helpful (the more so as it never was sufficient by itself, you have to zoom in plus activate focus peaking for really getting the focus right.)
I have the OMD E-M1…and I never have an issue with shutter shock…and I have not done any upgrades…I hope all that do suffer this that it gets resolved soon
The EM1 had this update already. It also has the shutter shock issue
I haven’t experienced any shutter shock either on my E-M1.
You should send it back – how can you take part in the most dramatic talking-point in photography today? You have our sympathies.
It apparently works by adding a 25ms delay after the first shutter curtain has opened before exposure actually starts (electronic curtain), allowing time for the vibrations to subside & then it exposes as normal after that. Check this page (further down) http://www.mu-43.com/showthread.php?t=64512&page=3
You activate it in the Anti-Shock Menu & then select for single shot or other drive mode (excepting sequential Hi & Lo) with the diamond symbol beside it as you would normally for Anti Shock selection. The value (0, 1/8 or whatever) for Anti Shock remains until it is changed in the Menu. If you want to use Sequential shooting (Hi & Lo) then Anti-Shock ‘0’ isn’t available.
I took many photos with an em5 and 60mm macro lense, but I never had any problems with sharpness. Am I imaging this or em5 doesn’t really have the same issue as ep5 does? Maybe I need to look at my photos again. Thanks for making me paranoid olympus! Lol
Use the 12-50 lens at slow shutter speeds & there might be an occasional case where you might suspect it. Obviously the quiet shutter of the E-M5 doesn’t have the same amount of shock that the stronger action shutter does in the E-M1 & E-P5. If you do suspect shutter shock happening, as long as it isn’t action photography you can use the Anti-Shock feature set at 1/8 second & it would get around that issue should it be evident.
I have the E-P5 for three weeks now, and all I can say is: what an amazing camera!
I agree! I think that the E-P5 w/VF-4 is the best mirrorless camera going. Incredible performer, not too big. Can be broken down for travel. I just is such a great camera to hold and use. Very fluid.
Is it on the EM-10?
No, because it isn’t known for having any kind of shutter shock issues.
While it isn’t as evident as the E-P5 there will be an update next week (along with the E-M1 update) with these features:
OM-D E-M10 (V1.1) :
* Improved image
stabilization during movie recording
* 0-second value is
added to the “Anti-Shock” mode
Why should this feature be coming to the E-M5 in the first place?! I’ve NEVER heard a report that the E-M5 has a shutter shock problem to this day, and I know people personally who have checked their E-M5 quite thoroughly and found nothing either.
True – same about the E-M10. They publish this function only for the cameras who have sometimes this issue, it wouldn’t make sense at all on any other cameras. I would guess that the 1/8000s shutter of the M1 and P5 caused this problem.
Yes it did. And I still don’t undestand guys who scream here that they are OK with their E-M5 and that they would rather have peaking.
Stupid talking … If they owned E-P5 they would never say anything like that. I was willing to sell my E-P5 if that firmware did not fix SS. Luckily it DOES. Now all my pictures will be sharp. I just have to investigate it a little bit more since there is a rumour about a decreased dynamic range when using an electronic shutter.
I have shutter shock problems with E-M5…
Right back in the early days of use of the E-M5 there were those that experienced it (although only mildly) & that is when the suggestion to use the 1/8 second setting in Anti-Shock mode to get around it was first discussed (in DPReview).
Have an E-M5 and I don’t think shutter shock is a big problem anyway. Rather have focus peaking.
http://www.olympus-global.com/en/ir/data/brief/2014/index.jsp
here’s more bad news.
I would hold off on buying any Olympus cameras.. they might have huge price drops soon.
I don’t know why a company like Olympus makes mostly everything in China, yet over prices everything.
Meanwhile Fuji is flying in Stock, to meet demand. It’ll be interesting to see the new mirrorless pie.
Yes, sadly it will probably only be the bodies they discount, and probably only the PENs and the EM5 and EM10. I don’t know if they can discount those enough to get me interested. Probably not. The lenses will likely remain at full price (with the periodic sales we already see). They seem to be really dropping the ball these days. They are losing loads of money and their sales ares still declining. At least Panasonic seriously kicking but, so m43 still has a strong future.
You’re getting boring…rather you have been boring for months!!
You don’t like the system? Or is it Olympus? You have frustrations at home and like to vent off here? Or are you just trolling?
Try to contribute something positive on this site every once in a while, it feels good!
Better yet, go take some pictures and stop torturing yourself reaing about gear you hate.
Either way, we are sick of your constantly negative comments!!
Oh? And I’m not?
-Bashing of GH4 news?
-Bashing of Lumix lenses?
-Bashing of news announcing there will be no new GX, GF or G camera this year? -Selective reading, perhaps?
Fact is, it doesn’t matter. I simply commented to make things fair. That’s all. Don’t like it, tough. I happen to take pictures, do you? or do you just stare at nice , shiny stuff with expensive lens hoods?
This site used to be pretty good at delivering Olympus and Panasonic financial results. I don’t think this has been reported at all, despite its release almost a week ago.
Mister, I guess you didn’t read it.
Thanks for the link, and now I can be more confident to invest in more m43 lens. Oly is doing much better across the board. While they are still losing money in imaging, they have cut 60% of their losses by reducing their compacts and cutting costs.
As for the entire company, it is healthy with net profits, which is mainly contributed by their medical instruments.
That’s called “SPIN”.
Their camera division has been going in a downward spiral for a while now. This is not good news. as a whole, or otherwise.
What a flaw!
Then again, is it much worst than mirror shake?
If I have to pick my flaws, I’d rather have an autofocus that is a tad bit slower on paper over this shutter flaw but if you know how to avoid it it could be a non-issue.
Yes it is worse than mirror shake.
Lots worse than mirror shake.
No trouble with image shake on EM5, rather want focus peaking indeed.
If Olympus really wanted to score a huge bump in customer satisfaction – (and if it’s possible) – Oly should honor their loyal E-M5 user base by releasing a firmware upgrade providing focus peaking.
Fuji has certainly shown a great example of loyalty to users of prior products via firmware enhancement of their existing cameras rather than push users toward newer models.
I use my E-M5 for macro all the time at slow shutter speeds and never have any shutter shock issues.
I don’t (yet) own a Fuji, but they’ve repeatedly supported older cameras with firmware upgrades. Olympus and others could learn from their approach.
Why is “0 seconds” a configurable option if the pact is in milliseconds? It should just be the default. That’s indicative of an engineering centric rather than a user centric mindset.
But I’m glad to see the fix none the less. Mostly well done Olympus.
Because if you are doing sports photography or even just seeing something happening every millisecond counts. Plus many photo review sites measure shutter lag.
I agree with your thought that you’d like for your camera to be a great performer for all use cases and I’d love for my PEN to handle sports, but realistically, the PEN is not a camera that most people will be using for sports. Mirrorless cameras still have trouble shooting subjects that are rapidly moving towards the camera. The EM1 seems to have made good progress here, and I’ve heard that the Fuji XT-1 performs well. I’m curious about the new GH4 for action focus. But the PEN for sports? I wish! 🙂
I assume you’ve never manually focused and waited for something you expected/predicted to happen like a car coming round the corner and just getting ready to snap the photos, I still think it’s useful but it should still be optional.
EM-5 users don’t have to worry about shuttershock imo. I’ve had both, and E-M5 was clearly much sharper in the danger zone.
Wow! Such a blotchy mess at only ISO 640! I’m so glad I chose full frame and not this. (Yes it is somewhat heavier, but I’m not puny so it’s no problem at all.)
I’m glad you did too, James. Thanks for keeping with all the m43 news. I can understand your interest. M43 is a great format!
Why oh why are there so many trolls?
There aren’t. It’s all the same one changing names (and liking their own posts). Sad but true, right SD?
And who are you “bop”? Any useful insights? Any inspiring work? It does not seem so.
SD! You’re getting better, no screaming or name calling.
He is just being a “Sock Puppet” – yep, its a thing. The courts have also ruled being annoying is not against the law. The site needs a way to downgrade comments such that they simply disappear. That would quickly end this non-sense
Because we want those dumb corporations to come out with good products at good prices and we don’t like all the fibs they want us to believe. This should be a locus of information and entertainment, not the host of commercial lies.
So you want to buy products from Olympus and Panasonic but you think they are too “dumb” to develop a product for a super smart person such as yourself? I suggest you stop fixating on m43 and move on. It’s not healthy. Oh, by the way. This may come as a shocker to you. Nikon, Cannon, & Sony full frame cameras and lenses are actually more expensive than Oly and Pany products. You better site down for this one. Leica products are even more expensive. You’re right. These companies are soooooo dumb.
Corporations tend to be dumb, but you are in an entirely different league numbskull.
Not really much heavier, equivalent lenses are the same size and cheaper on FF.
Still, I am looking for a very tiny camera for hiking, the Ricoh GXR starts to be too long in the tooth (too slow, I can’t stand it anymore); the new Canon and Sony are pricey but look OK. Fixed lens = high flash sync speed, yippie. Either M43 becomes a fashion thing, or they cut those prices, or they die.
I still respect the poor sods who were suckered into M43!
I am sorry for them. And I really wanted to like the system, I am so disappointed by CN, but it seems very hard to come out with something better. Stupid multinationals.
I still don’t understand what the purpose of this argument when you guys take pictures and upload into webpage and not printing large enough to see the different. no doubt FF are better… but most of the photographer don’t need one.
well that means its not coming to e-pm2 or e-pl5 either? i sent a mail to olympus requesting the damn feature
So beyond lower shutter-to-shot latency, does this offer any benefit over the e-m5’s existing other anti-shock delays? I can’t imagine the 0 second shutter delay would be less shaky than the 1/8th second delay which is the lowest delay offered in the e-m5 already. Since I always shoot non-continuous with 1/8th anti-shock delay on, I’m pretty used to it and don’t see that removing the small latency is super important. Was it that the e-p5 doesn’t offer any anti-shock delay to begin with? The dpreview article never mentions trying the longer delay options.
There is a big difference in the other settings compared to 0s. All the others put a delay in the usual shutter process by letting the first curtain close, then wait and then continue as usually. When you set it to 0s the process changes drastically as the now the first curtain will be electronical and thus there are no vibrations of the shutter to introduce blur. So xou have no delay and vibrations and finally the lifetime of the shutter should essentially double, as it only has to close for the second curtain.
No shutter shock issue on the E-M5 either. Possibly the only model where I had it was the E-PL3. It had such a powerful shutter on such a light body, that you could feel the vibration. That’s rather the opposite in the E-M5: it has a velvety shutter 🙂
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Who cares about E-M5.
My question is: Would Pana integrate something similar into the GX7?
The GX7 already had delay settings, but has no reports of shutter shock
I really hope so cause shutter shock is horrible for me on gx7 with kit zoom, fine with my primes though
GX7 has eshutter …
To the person or persons trolling. Do you having nothing more productive to do with your time than to spend all day reading information about micro four thirds products and submitting negative and inaccurate posts? I wonder if you even own a FF camera? I wonder if you even know how to use a camera?