The E-M10 name already is present in Indonesia public registry for devices with WiFi.
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Soon Olympus will announce the new E-M10 and as I told you before the E-M5 will remain for sale for a longer time. And finally I know one of the possible reasons. The E-M10 will have a 3 axis image stabilization while the E-M5 has a five axis stabilization. That way the E-M10 will have a more clear differentiation from the High End OMD which is the E-M1.
That part got confirmed via multiple sources: The E-M10 has the same E-M5 sensor with E-M1 image processor. 25mm f/1.8 and new compact zoom coming too!
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Onece more: I HATE marketing guys!
Pls give us all, I / are willing to pay !
panorama stitching, EVF, internal Flash, Apps, 5axis,… etc
I am sure a lot of this will be in the NEX7 successor…
@alexander
Panorama stitching, EVF, 5 axis, etc… – yeah sure.
But apps, wtf?
Imagine:
– You turn on your camera and wait a minute for it to boot.
– 99% of the apps are to create fart sounds on top of your videos
– The manufacturer wont release a software update to the latest OS version any later than two weeks after you bought it
– Your camera gets hacked because of the above
– Regardless of if it ships Windows Phone or Android, the manufacturer has to pay royalties to Microsoft, therefore you are paying royalties
– Your battery life is substantially reduced
Why again do we want “apps” on our cameras?
Every single point you claim is not necessarily a causal consequence of there being “apps”.
What the poster probably meant was more programmability from third parties – essentially like an official way to do stuff like the Magic Lantern hacks do.
apps are like Sony apps for Nex and other new camera, it’s build with the Sony sdk. It’s not an android powered camera like Samsung 😉
I hope Oly can suprise us with a quite cheap digital OM-10. So there is a complete line of E-M camera, E-M10 at around 500$, E-M5 at 800$, E-M1 at 1500$. and there is room for E-M3 at 1100$, between the M5 and M1.
I know for sure in europe is €599….but i don’t know if boby only or with the new kit zoom lens.
You don’t seem to even know what an app is.
I want to be able to build an app to replace the horrific and inefficient Olympus menuing system with something that suits my needs.
I also want an app that gives me single-click preset modes that I actually find useful.
Apps are tools. If the best you can do with your tools is make fart sounds, then that says more about you than it does the usefulness of apps.
But many of those things are a consequence of platforms supporting apps.
Yeah, these simpletons think that its just like, ‘whoooosh’ and you people can write apps for the camera. First of all the uMicron OS does not support high level languages or have any of the security features required to support an application framework. If we want to add that to the existing OS there is a whole lot of additional code that must be added to the codebase, that code needs to be run and will mean we need more CPU, memory and power to be allocated to just running the OS. Alternatively Oly could license Android or Windows Phone, but then all of the above points are valid.
Is 3 axis IBIS actually 5 axis IBIS simplified, or is it old IBIS known from previous PENs and E-620?
Perhaps leaving out yaw and pitch allow it to be more compact?
http://www.olympus-global.com/en/news/2012a/image/nr120208em5e_04.jpg
They’re likely leaving out vertical and horizontal movements because they have the smallest effect on notion blur. Rotation around the lens, vertically and horizontally all contribute significantly to blur, especially yaw and pitch which are amplified by the focal length.
Pens (except the E-P5) and the E-620 have the good old 2-axis stabilization.
The one in the EM-10 is new and somewhere inbetween the Pens and the E-M5/E-M1/E-P5
Between the 2 axis and 3, there is only software implementation, maybe they left behind the ywa and pitch in favor of a more aggresive 3 axis implementation, which could replace the other axis effect. i cannot wait to read a review on the IBIS, anyway this demonstrates that this camera is lower than de EM5, and that it is here to stop the EM5 price from falling too much.
that is not a bad question
Video specs?
Who cares if it doesn’t have 5 axis IBIS, inst’it?
Yep – TOTAL FAIL
All I wanted was the nice sensor with 5 axis and 25/30/50/60p
The rest is all so so….
Mind you to wind us up, I bet it has 24/25/30/50/60p video!
You are a total fail and a cheapskate. You can get a new E-M5 for only $799. Stop your worthless complaining.
Oooo get her…
I would have got an EM1 EM5 or a EP5 (not keen on shutter shock tho) had any of them had 25/50/60p video included – so for now I live with my EP1 because there is not yet ENOUGH reson to upgrade.
Had Oly ever made a camera with usable video and the 5axis then they would have seen sales expand very very rapidly!
Any info on video specs?
One can hope that Olympus would like us in PAL region use the video button now and then.
i push it now and then, regardless of PAL, SECAM or anything.
You are intelligent enough to know what I mean.
i dont think so, i just use video for behind the scene stuff and model videoclips, i just accept the limitations and it works out for me.No need for me to have the perfect specced tool.
Not sure that we are necessary looking for the “perfect” spec camera.
More like something which is compatible with our artificial light environment.
I am sure that European car manufactures could sell “some” cars in Japan if the steering wheel on the “wrong” side, but that would probably be a dumb thing to do.
Ps. Japan have left hand steering while we in Europe, except UK have right hand.
The last I saw a car in Japan, cars drove on the left side of the street, and the steering wheel was on the right seat of the car. Perhaps you’re thinking of the U.S. — that funky country that uses inches/feet, and Letter/Legal-sized paper?
Too funny….most of the European cars in NZ are ….used imports from Japan. Had a Landrover Discovery and a couple of nice MB sedans from there.
artificial lightsources, i am aware of them. In that case I could choose to shoot in shutter priority mode, or just avoid such scenarios. Ofcourse lot of people would be happy if 50p was added, but for me its not an absolute requirement.Just speaking for myself and maybe a few others. There is an omd facebook page for videoshooters, it seems they try to do the best they can do with the current situation.
The problem is that this desire for 25/50p is not exactly new, in fact Olympus knows about this for many years now, and it has been one of the things that is making their cameras a more difficult sell.
Personally I can make do without because I do little video, but needing to work around a totally needless limitation that pretty much every compact doesn’t have, for that matter, a limitation that my 5 years old phone doesn’t have, is just ridiculous, even more so on a 1500 euro flagship model.
I can also work my way around having no control over aperture, and can still get properly exposed pictures in most cases, but I’m sure you’d totally agree that despite being able to work around that, it still would be a totally silly limitation that restricts your creative possibilities. FORCING the use of shutter priority for video does cause a very similar restriction on creativie possibilities.
That someone who doesn’t do video seriously can live without, sure, and many people who just want pictures but aren’t seriously interested in photography can manage fine with iauto and without pasm modes but it would be rather silly to suggest any serious camera can make do without those. As a matter of fact Olympus tried, it was one of the biggest reasons for the om-707 failure.
well i suggest nothing that other people should do as i do, i just say its still possible to work with artificial lights. Which is my suggestion, instead of hammering on the lack of the proper modes, especially when knowing Oly only might consider serious video additions in the future. And its still possible to be creative in shuttermode, or else go completely manual.
Ulli, using shutter priority mode for video to deal with artificial light means that:
– you lose some control over motion
– aperture is now the main form of controlling exposure.
I agree that one can work around this, but why should one? It really isn’t any different from not having aperture priority on a still image camera, it IS a limitation on your creative possibilities.
Of course one can still be creative with fewer possibilities, I wasn’t suggesting you can’t be creative.
With regards to Olympus and ‘serious video’, with all respect, 25p is in no way an advanced video function, rather the opposite. Supporting the framerate used in a large part of the world is totally basic functionality. I’d agree with you on things like advanced codecs, higher bitrates, even 24p, but not support for a framerate that is used in much of the world and is used for very good reasons. Olympus really should take note and see those as 2 seperate issues. Get the basics right first, and go for the advanced stuff later when they want to be serious about video.
As it is, and I have seen this happen many times in shops, a consumer asking for a ILC that can also do basic video is explicitly told to not buy an Olympus because it cannot do PAL. That directly means lost sales, ESPECIALLY for the lower-end models where people buy with a feature checklist and little understanding of what it really is about.
The loss in motion control is not that dramatic, unless you need to register the photofinish of some sport event(keep in mind that its only noticeable if you use very slow shutterspeeds; a sequence of blurred images in a moving camera shot gets interpreted as a fluent one by the slwoness of our eyes). Again, I purely base my experience on the things that I do, which is behind the scene and videographing selected models for making gravure style clips. when a lightsource gives trouble, i switch to shutter Pr, when I still need more control, I go to Manual, or changing ISO. I dont mind flickering if its only minimal. You can check my Girl of Sukabumi clip, which was shot with mixed daylight and artificial most of the time, at the ending with artificial only as we were busy a fulll day with stilll and video.
You can keep complaining about Olympus approach how they deal with video, but it does not help in getting the shots done if you work with one of their mft cameras.There are enough people I guess who use the OMD or EP5 especially because of the excellent IBIS. As long as you keep aware of the missing 50p, its possible to make decent video with it.
Ulli, I understand the workaround, don’t worry. My point is that Olympus should change this, regardless of if a knowledgeable user can work around this (which works fine for individual clips, but not when combining video from different sources).
Also, while not a strict rule, the idea of shutter angle really does exist for a reason, if it doesn’t matter to you, more power to you, but it doesn’t address my needs no matter how much it addresses yours.
But the main point is that yes, in many cases you can work around it when you know how, but first you shouldn’t have to, because there simply isn’t a good excuse for the lack of supporting pal framerates, its nothing like an ‘advanced’ video feature or anything.
And second, its silly to expect the people who come for buying a ‘dslr’ with kit lens, never buy a second lens, and leave their camera to iauto, to know about shutter speeds and all that, but they will see the issue and note their iphone doesn’t have such issues. Sorry but that simply isn’t smart.
That you and I can work around that matters for telling people how to work around it, but really, you don’t have to tell me, I know, but this won’t stop me from complaining publicly about the lack of PAL support, and neither from pointing out that no, a workaround isn’t a solution, it is called workaround for a reason.
Nothing personal, but as owner of 2 e-m5s and an e-m1, despite me being able to work around this, it matters and I feel I have every right to complain, as it is yet another thing that is being unhelpful in helping that system grow and getting olympus imaging back to profitability.
Interesting, so maybe the e-m10 will be just a e-pl5 with integrated viewfinder & better controls. If so it will have a though start against the e-m5 with still dropping prices…
if they price it right, I still would be interested, but it should be priced lower than the e-m5, and I’m not sure if they can do this…
Come on Oly. E-M5 successor, with less configuration as the E-M5? You sadly will not get my money… Why dont you built a new E-M5II with old body and functions plus VF-4, focus peaking and 1/8000 shutter?
+1 great idea for E-M5 mk2 (or E-M5N)
but will be more expensive….but we need at least something, to complain about.
There will be an E-M5 successor. Probably will be announced in September.
But this is a simplified OM-D, not the E-M5 successor.
…but that is what the E-P5 Kit is…the E-M5sucessor! 🙂
I’m still skeptical that this is an E-M5 successor. What little we know suggests that it will be an entry-level OM-D. I see no reason why there shouldn’t be three levels in the line. If they tout this as a successor to the E-M5, and water down some of the features, it’s going to be a fail.
They also need to price this thing right. I would say around $600 WITH a kit lens. I wouldn’t expect 5-axis or improvements in video, etc. They need a somewhat simpler version of the E-M5 with a plastic body, some gerneral improvments in speed and handling for a reasonable price. A price low enough to compete with the low-end dSLRs. If they sort of make it better, and sort of make it worse than the E-M5 and call it the successor, it will be a big mistake, and I can bet it will be too expensive also.
I guess it’s a waiting game now, but Olympus really needs to get these next iterations/pricings right to keep the momentum.
The question is what can a successor of the OM-D E-M5 gain that would not encroach on the E-M1? The E-M1 is a better E-M5 with a larger grip and partly in conjunction with that a slightly changed control. It has a better viewfinder, a (slightly) better sensor and a better AF (PD).
Sure, the E-M5 line could always keep a viewfinder a step below the E-M1 line and PD AF could be limited to the E-M1 but that means that the obvious upgrades for the E-M5 line or blocked until there is a new model in the E-M1 line. To me, the E-M1 is pretty much a E-M5 successor.
Are you serious?! So backwards Olympus. This makes me want to buy the older model not its successor.
Olympus, make a rangefinder with EVF in the corner please!! An an electronic shutter option for absolut quietness!
whats wrong with the Panasonic one? oh wait,please dont tell me…
Well Ulli, I think I will go for the Panasonic Gx7 or do you think that the Gx7 is not worth it?
Pierre I dont know, I was just trying to make a joke, attracting some Oly worshippers. I guess its a good camera. But if you plan to get a GX7, why asking Olympus to build a faux RF too?
+1
Hmmm, I was hoping to get a second body. If it has less ability or features than the E-M5 then I don’t know if it’s worth it. At least the E-M5 will be cheaper I suppose, otherwise I’ll be looking at the E-M1.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see when it’s released for confirmed specs.
Well I guess there is no reason to buy it as an EM5 owner then besides WiFi. Strange.
What bugs me most is this must have used up the engineering teams time to make something inferior to before for marketing reasons. Really quite sad, especially for a company who should be shooting to take over the market rather that sit where they are.
It’s a lower model in the product line in the same way that a Nikon D5300 is a lower product than a D7100.
Why is this so hard for people to understand.
Well said Rob. It would have been better resources spent to add more on top of the latest 5-axis for next release and leave the older one into this EM10. Oh well. if the Marketing guys have the numbers and there is a market for this then it’s good for Oly and at the end for us too, even if we will not buy this EM10.
After all the Oly guys were right in not going for the rangefinder style with EVF -see the fiasco the GX7 has been. Beautiful camera but disappointing sales -you know why: because there is not enough people wanting one! (I know I know, many of us here would want one and blah blah)
3 axis stabilization instead of 5 axis for OMD EM5 successor ? This can’t be right .
Same sensor as EM5 means there still no true breakthough in technology after 24 months fr the first OMD so no worth of upgrade at all .
Better retain the current EM5 & wait & see .
3-axis IBIS could be updated tech for all lower end models, OMDs and Pens alike so it’s not wasted R&D. The (lower-end) Pens are also due for a refresh.
The old (2-axis) IBIS is 5 years old, folks.
who talks about E-M5 successor? It has been stated multiple times that the E-M10 is a new product line placed below the high-end E-M1 the middle-class E-M5. The E-M5 will get it’s successor in the future but the E-M10 is not it.
Boring, and Olympus still doesn’t seem to find a logical product and naming policy. If the E-M10 was to the E-M1 what the E-30 used to be to the E-3/5, meaning: same sensor, same shutter, same stabilization, minus the weather sealing and one or two lesser features, with a significantly reduced price, I’d probably find it interesting.
If these fools had any interest in gaining market share, they’d put 5-axis IBIS in all their cameras. Short sited, greedy, corporate fools.
Or maybe you just have short sighted expectations.
No – because without you might as well grab an EPM2…
Its not like oly are the only ones making cameras and they did well withthe EM5 because it offered a lot of new things people wanted… this won’t sell if it does not offer things people want!
And I’m betting its exactly the same mech as the 5 axis but with 2 disabled… (by software)…
If the EVF is wanted then this would have to be better than the E-PM2 (with a V-F2 fitted).
So, the E-M10 will have focus peaking but no 5-axis IBIS, but the E-M5 has the latter, but no focus peaking (only the keyline cr*p).
Now you know why there is no firmware update providing the E-M5 with focus peaking …
Thanks but no thanks, Olympus!
If you want it all, looks like the E-P5 – if reasonably priced – with VF-4 is the way to go (peaking, IBIS and all, but without weather sealing). The E-M1, to me, is just too expensive (as for now).
Hey, Olympus, how about implementing Panasonic’s electronic shutter? 😉
You may not know or have conveniently forgotten, when the E-30 came out, it had a larger screen than the E-3, went from 10mp to 12mp, it had Art Filters, it added Fine AF Adjustment, it also had a level meter & yet it was a lower model without weather sealing & a smaller buffer memory (for number of frames compared to the E-3) & was priced lower.
It seems like the E-M10 has some advancements that can be included in a number of models but not the high end model features, like 5 axis IS, among other features yet to be known. It is obviously the lower end OM-D (but with some newer features) & maybe there will be a replacement for the E-M5 later or there will be just the E-M1 & E-M10.
I really can’t understand the ‘hand wringing’ by some when a new model comes out that has been targeted to a certain sector of users & yet everybody (that is the whingers here) wants it to be everything for them in this model. All I can say to them is, “get a life!”.
They are all pathetic cheapskates, and want everything for under $500.
lol, this product strategy is really unbelievable… maybe if it will cost 650, 700$ there is a chance to sell this camera…
Can we agree that most of the DSLR sales (say: Canon, Nikon, Sony, …) is done with low end models plus kit lens?
And that selling is like this: Potential Customer in the shop: “I want to take better pics.” Seller: “Any specific subject?” – “Kiddings, holidays, partys, …” – “OK. You’ll be fine with that:” – Seller hands over a Nikon D5100 with 18-105 kit or similar. Business done.
Claim:
The risk for the seller to try with a “non DSLR looking” camera is just too high to raise doubts in the customer and therefore not getting the business.
Which Olympus model does compete with Nikon D5100? Or better: does the same thing as a D5100 but is smaller?
Maybe E-M10 can fill this gap.
I expected the same specifications as the E-M5, with the new sensor, the new EVF, but without weather sealing, and with the “5-Axis-IBIS”. Then maybe a price of 800$ would be ok, if the camera is new at the market. All depends now on the price of the E-M5… But as I know Olympus, it will be to expensive. And I have to correct myself, with these specifications a price of 600$, maybe 650$, would be ok for the EM-10, but not more.
True, but there is not Olympus gear in stock in any of the stores where your story happens (e.g. Best Buy, Costco, etc)
So this camera won’t change that. If you want to change that, Olympus (and Panasonic FWIW) have to change their marketing and distribution systems.
You analysis is correct, but I highly doubt the E-M10 will be able to compete with entry-level DSLRs in the area of price.
The E-M5 was released with an msrp of $1199. Based on this, the E-M10 will probably be around $999.
PEN cameras such as the E-PM2 are Olympus’ attempt to compete with entry-level DSLRs.
At the moment I can buy a E-M5 body for 900$, so if the E-M10 would be 1000$ I don’t think anybody would buy it. Anyway, in my opinion, the E-M5 was to expensive at release.
No 5-AXIS IBIS = Won’t buy !
No 4K = Won’t buy !
DSLR shape = Won’t buy !
I guess you can save your money to buy more exclamation points.
Maybe they thought about 4K and 5-Axis Ibis, but because you wont buy a slr Shaped OM Camera, they knew that they dont need to, because you won´t buy it anyway? 😉
4k meehhhh…
Just some solid 1080 would be good enough!
Like I said, just another unrealistic cheapskate who wants everything.
Than it’s no upgrade form E-M5 🙁 Olympus won’t get my money
Again, the E-M10 is not supposed to be an update of the E-M5. Different product lines, aiming at different group of buyers. Not that hard is it?
Unfortunately we can keep on trying to explain this to them until we are blue in the face, but it doesn’t seem the message always gets through. 😉
It is not a EM5 successor, it is a lower end OMD model obviously
EM1 Highend
EM5 Midend
EM10 Lowend
Oh good it should be priced £350 then…. lol
I just can’t see the E-M5 staying in the line up without focus peaking. If both the high-end AND low-end will have focus peaking, it makes no sense to not include it if it truly is going to stay in the lineup.
Olympus is not as big of a company to introduce multiple new camera models at once. The E-M5 will be updated sooner rather than later. My guess that the E-M5 II will have many of the E-M1’s features and will be priced at 900-1000 USD and the E-M10 as low-end model at 500-600.
Given every product line has enough features for differentiation this is a great strategy targeting a large group of possible customers.
It will be interesting to see how the E-M10 is priced relative to the higher end OM-Ds. It appears that Olympus may have decided to develop an OM-D lineup designed to compete with CaNikon’s DX models.
Th E-M10 will be $999, maybe $899 at a pinch.
Seems very logical and natural move, consistent with what Olympus ever said (very different from some speculations), and classical OMD line of 3 products: EM1 for “pros”, EM5 for enthusiasts, EM10 for upgraders.
People get confused by the fact we’ll have to wait for the next EM5 iteration.
Sorry, wrongly placed. Here are my act:
Can we agree that most of the DSLR sales (say: Canon, Nikon, Sony, …) is done with low end models plus kit lens?
And that selling is like this: Potential Customer in the shop: “I want to take better pics.” Seller: “Any specific subject?” – “Kiddings, holidays, partys, …” – “OK. You’ll be fine with that:” – Seller hands over a Nikon D5100 with 18-105 kit or similar. Business done.
Claim:
The risk for the seller to try with a “non DSLR looking” camera is just too high to raise doubts in the customer and therefore not getting the business.
Which Olympus model does compete with Nikon D5100? Or better: does the same thing as a D5100 but is smaller?
Maybe E-M10 can fill this gap.
“Maybe E-M10 can fill this gap.”
Yes. For sensible price it is possible. $650 would be stellar, $700 quite good but not more.
What most people want is an E-M1, with same ergonomics and features, but cheaper and lighter. In other words, instead of tank built and fully weather sealed, just a normal quality body like a Fuji X camera and not weather sealed (most lenses are not weather sealed anyway). Such camera for $300 less than E-M1 would sell quite well.
No need to worry: My guess is 3-axis vs 5-axis is more about marketing than about feature efficiency. They need to motivate the EM1 higher price. Why worry about the name? Test will show if there is any difference in the real world.
My guess too. Sometimes IS does makes a difference and thats cool. I guess I don’t live in the same world as some tho, as I still believe its not worth making such a big deal over OIS vs IBIS. To me, all those emotional reactions regarding 3-axis vs 5-axis is surreal!
Really hoping for some info on the 25mm 1.8 soon. If it’s small and light and reasonably priced and sharp wide open I’d really like one.
That’s silly, because at the moment 5-axis IBIS is Olympus only USP (unique selling position) so they should rather try to put it in every model (maybe except for one ultra-small model).
So little is known about new camera, no price info, and so many haters, complainers…
What do you normally use your cameras for? To vent frustration?
Even FF freaks have no comments yet…
I need mine for capturing flying cumshots
better get FF then…
just tell us that it will have vf2 🙂
now I am concern if buy used EM5 …I could find in my country for 500-650e
…or wait a bit and buy ep5 with VF4 …eg refurbished one from Germany …as in my country I think nobody bought it yet 🙂
wish I can compare VF4 EVF vs. the OMD one …if it is worth that upgrade and extra money
just to add that I use EPL3
The E-M5 is a better value for money than E-P5 in my opinion. The E-M5’s EVF is just fine, it has natural look and fast refresh rate. In direct comparison to the E-M1/VF-4’s EVF the difference is significant, though. While the E-M5’s one feels like an EVF, the E-M1/VF-4’s EVF is more like an OVF of a good SLR – best EVF at the market so far. I hope the E-M10 will utilize at least the VF-4’s technology.
What a fuckup. So I have the choice between an overpriced E-M1 with features I don´t need, an old tech E-M5 and an crippled E-M10. I guess the e-Pl1 must serve me one year longer^^
You’re using an EPL1 and complaining that the EM5 is old tech? Even the “crippled” EM10 will be a big step up from the EPL1.
If the E-M1 has features you don’t need, then get the E-M5…it has everything you need, and you are no longer paying the “early adopters fee”. It is in no way outdated, and is light years ahead of the E-PL1.
I’ve finally replaced my E-PL1 with an E-M1, because I needed the PDAF in a new body. Glad I did, because it is proving great for sports and wildlife. But the E-M5 would have done fine otherwise.
The two digit model number should have told everyone that the E-M10 will be missing features to place it as a lower end model. No surprise there.
Sadly, the one vital thing it will probably be missing is the PDAF…..that is the killer feature they need to compete with DSLR’s.
My guess is that the upcoming E-M10 is going to get a lot of its styling from the Stylus One. Which means the pop-up flash and most of the controls.. This means a slightly smaller camera body than the E-M5. A smaller body and a more compact kit lens is what the E-M10 is about. The true E-M5 replacement will be announced this fall for Photokina.
Or maybe it could be the same size as the E-M5 & take the HLD-6 grip like the HLD-4 was usable on the E.30 when it was designed for E.3.
That just might be a possibility.
Still I see a lot of Stylus One in the E-M10. I also see many features above the E-M5, but a few below the E-M5. The E-M10 is still the pro-level flagship camera.
Wow, Olympus have really missed the boat with this one. The three axis IBIS had better be as good as in the EM5 or they will cop the wrath from their own fan club. We already have the EPL5, we don’t need it repackaged into a bigger EM5 look-alike body.
…but this isn’t aimed at the Oly fan club, it’s aimed at people moving up from compacts or smartphones.
I think, Oly has two succesors or no true one of the M5, because they kind of “split” the M5. In the future there won’t be one OMD class, but two classes of OMDs. The M1 (series = (semi)pro level) and the M10 clearly beyond the M1. The M1 is hard to define. Theoretically it is below the M5, on the other hand it is two years younger and thus envolved.
My guess is, that future M10s and Pen lites will have the 3 axis and Pens and M1s will have 5 axis IBIS. OMDs will have built in EVF and Pens won’t. The same goes for weather sealing etc.
For me this makes sense, and maybe in a year a two things will be clearer… 🙂
you are obviously wrong.
the words “clear” and “sense” do not relate to Oly camera lineup.
they randomly distribute features – and that is a fact.
Funny, they got different date formats mixed (D/M/Y and M/D/Y) in that list 😉
em5 sensor? so this means no OSPDAF?
i want to upgrade my e510 but i cant afford em1 yet..
Only reason to use PDAF is for the expencive 43 lenses as the cheeper ones can be replaced with m43 lenses… and if you can afford the big 43 glass you could probably strech to an EM1… if you only have cheep 43 glass, your probably better switching totaly m43! (soz) 🙁
Another reason for OSPDAF is for the hybrid AF with MFT lenses when in C-AF.
Not necessarily. I have quite a bit of 4/3 glass and some of it is pretty good. The difference is that I spent years getting that glass and now I can not stretch to get the E-M1 (it’s about $300 out of my range). Fortunately I can still take nice pictures with my older 4/3 DSLRs and can wait. I was one of those people waiting for a lower end model with pdaf. Something like a E-M1 without weather sealing, without 5 axis IS and a few other features. There are more people in a similar situation than you give credit for.
If this is true, then Oly better release the video firmware update for the EM-1 and EM-5 crying out loud.
I’m most interested in the 25mm lens, give us more INFO!
All we need is some video and focus peaking update to EM5… but oly never offers much via FW updates…
It seems that EM-5 is going to be the odd one out.
The top being the EM-1, the lesser EM-10 and the PEN series from E-PX,E-PLX and E-PMX.
MMMM 3 Axis?
I guess then they have:
translational left/right
translational up/down
Rotation
Missing
Yor & Pitch
Which means it has all the electronics and IS system for a full 5 axis but delibretly software hinded to be a 3 AXIS… because if you can implement translation you can also do yor and pitch assuming you have the algorythems to work out the resultant motion compensation (which oly do). The mechanisam that shifts the sensor will be identical to the 5 axis!
They MAYBE droped 2 tilt sensors (that must have saved 50p)…
It might be they kept yor & pitch but droped translation – but either way it has been falsly limmited.
translational/left right/up/down = horizontal/vertical shift
yor = yaw
delibretly = deliberately
algorythems = algorithms
You are welcome!
Keep it up and one day you will have taught the whole internets how to spell.
I’m not delusional (I think). 😉
Not delusional – U R my spelling bitch 🙂
Whats with changing translational to left right up down? thats some poor Ed. I’ll have to doc your pay… But wait – you do this for Free???
Thing is you just demonstrated we all know what was being said… so your interjection was for what reason? – Oh I see – you can spell, and you need to tell the world…
Don’t overthink it. I was merely hoping to inspire people to put a bit more work into the posts they want others to read.
When I read “algorythems” I envisioned a nifty Halloween ride with an Al Gore theme. 😛
” the whole internets ” -> the whole of internet
Clearly an endless endeavor. For each comment that gets corrected, more comments with errors will be added. The internet is the undoing of language.
Humans are the undoing of language, my friend. I have been around for some time to tell that languages keep “ruining” after our eyes. That’s life. Enjoy, and thank you for your efforts!
Yep the old world is pissed – spent all that time making rules for us to come along and chuck them in the bin… but then what are rules for… 🙂
Gotta wait to see what they have included but I do hope they get the pricing right.
If priced right, people may look to get this body as a way to experiment with Mirrorless but still have the built in viewfinder.
This might be what Olympus is thinking. The pen series don’t have a built in viewfinder therefore the perception is its a high end P&S and the OMD is alittle expensive for hobbyist to play around with. So the E-M10 will fill that gap.
I do hope they improve the video capabilities as it’s something that’s been lacking in the Olympus m43 bodies.
When the E-M5 came out there were many wishing for a cheaper model. Can you imagine the outcry if it was just an E-M5 with less features. 😉 I think this E-M10 will satisfy those original prospective buyers (or they have since bought the E-M5 because the price has come down) or prospective buyers like them with some added more recent features but in a lower & (hopefully) more affordable kit.
If priced at about 650$, it could go against the Panasonic G series, at least for those who don’t care about video. The G series is always the best value in Panasonic line up (good EVF, good video and ergonomics, swivelling LCD).
Olympus: You are failing to leverage your greatest asset.
The OM-D line should have the 5-axis stabilization, as part of it’s genetic code. At this time the 5-axis is your magic bullet!
The E-M10 is a dilution of the OM-D line.
Don’t forget the E-P5, the high end PEN has been privileged with the 5-axis IS, so I don’t think the OM-D range needs to necessarily have it in all their models, as something has to give to bring the price down for a lower model & also distinguish it from the higher level OM-D models.
+1 !!!!!!!!!
Their biggest asset? I’m not too sure about that. Personally, I’d like to know about handling, quality of EVF, refresh rate of EVF, tracking AF speed/reliability, ruggedness, buffer size, writing speed, ergonomics of the interface, weight, size, articulation of the LCD or lack thereof, resolution and brightness of said LCD, battery performance, video performance, max/base ISO, DR, headroom, brackets of exposure, reliability of histogram, just to name a few considerations that comes to mind before which kind of IBIS comes into play.
..Is having IBIS a good thing? Sure.
It’s an advantage if the image blurrer blurs images only in 3 instead of 5 axes! 😉
😀 I like that!. 😉
Oly axed two axes. It’s like when cavemen improved the octagon-shaped wheel to a square wheel: less bumps!
Next comes the totally free-floating sensor that sings and dances around an infinite number of axes (axes as in plural of axis, not of ax – just to clarify).
“Next comes the totally free-floating sensor that sings and dances around an infinite number of axes”
I like that very much!! 🙂
“New E-M10 has 3 axis IBIS”
Then they have to price it lower than E-M5, say 600 dollars. That would kill the competition!
I’ve always wondered about pitch and yaw. Would the sensors extreme pitch and yaw correction cause an effect similar to having a tilt lens? Doesn’t making sure the sensor perfectly perpendicular to incoming light make sense, leaving only horiz/vert/rolling as the 3-axis stabilization?
your right it does create that shift effewct..
As the image sensor moves away from the centre of image circle.
Thing is the amount is miniscule compaired to a tilt/shift lens… but yes at the micro level it will be a shift image. But thats waaayyy better than a smeared over the whole sensor image! I guess you could use dynamic digital distortion correction to reverse the effect realtime, but I doubt they bother!
I don’t think (not 100% tho) there will be any tilt (focus change) effect as the sensor remains perpendicular to lens… but just shifts to compensate image projected by tilting camera… you tilt down, sensor moves up keeping image the ~same.
Sorry – perpendicular to image plane not lens…
You’re right. Read some more on the 5 axis, while it does detect yaw and pitch the sensor itself only moves in 3 axes, no tilting. So there wouldn’t be a defocusing effect, just a very small shift effect. It does sound rather computationally daunting to correct for yaw and pitch by only horizontal and vertical movements. Maybe they’re saving not only on the sensors but not needing a much more powerful processor for the IBIS.
What most stabilisation systems do is re-arrange the stabilisation elements to their neutral position when the picture is taken. Or if it is easier imagine, the picture is taken when the stabilisation elements in their corrective moves just pass through their neutral position. These systems move at up to a 1000 Hz, they are plenty fast enough to re-arrange their moves such that all corrective movements move at the right speed to correct for camera movement while all moving through their neutral position.
If this is true, I’ll hold onto my E-PL5 and wait until next holiday season for a deal on the E-M5 or E-P5.
All Oly’s made in China => no thanks
Which nowadays means no electronic devices…. e.g. try to find a smartphone which is not manufactured in China (Apple manufactures in China, I don’t hear anybody complaining about quality there)
Fuji = Made in Japan …
i think youre here by mistake.
click the fourth link from the left at the top of the page. it will take you back to the fuji page.
so are many thinks, including many components of the device you are internetting on now.
If this thing is missing both weather sealing and 5-axis stabilization then it better be priced at 799 or lower. Personally, I won’t even consider it unless it has on-sensor PDAF.
You better start saving for an E-M1 then.
With 3-axis IBIS and weather sealing, in the body of a GX7…I’d be sold on that.
Surprised though. Honestly thought that – disregarding an OM lineage dictating form factor – the defining elements of the OM-D versus the PEN would remain:
– 5-axis IBIS
– weather sealing
– integrated EVF
No complaints if there’s no flash, providing there’s a hotshot (for my purposes at least. Appreciate the lack of flash unsettles some).
Hello,
Good for Olympus… More bodys. Everybody can choose one. Canon, Nikon, etc have wide range of bodys and nobody is crying for that.
I don´t understand peolple crying becouse of we have more options.
If you need 5 axis -> OMD 5 and OMD 1. What´s the problem?.
Everybody must understand that Olympus is a business… Only if Olympus can make good profit we will continue having this fantastic gear. It´s imposible that olympus bring us an OMD1 in a OMD10 body for low price. That has no sense.
Everybody shouting that they won´t buy one camera becouse it hasn´t got some feature… Probably they won´t buy it in other case… They aren´t important for OLympus.
People are crying because there is no EM6. The EM10 looks like a fail from this early standpoint, and the EM1 is too big and/or too expensive.
Where is the next EM6 that still uses our current grips from the EM5. Where is the next EM6 that is one of the smallest weather sealed pockeable cams with an EVF and 5 axis IBIS?
We are looking for more of the same, not less or different.
Sounds like the forthcoming Fuji xt1 is going to be weather-sealed in addition to having a new and very high-end EVF, so I’m thinking that Olympus should be prepared to have some of its EM-10 thunder stolen.
I think I know what they are after. Lowering production costs and making smaller the IBIS module. If that Works that extra R&D effort will be paid back but lower production costs, effectively making it cheaper against Fuji’s models. They are covered on the Premium side (EM1) so it is a logical strategy to me. Tests will tell us how good this new IBIS will be. If it costs 300 bucks less and it more or less on par with the EM1 apart from some crazy scenarios, which one will you pick if you are on a budget?
Who knows if the cost is really significantly lower, especially given already capitalized costs for the existing mechanism.
This is feature differentiation. They need to justify a lower end offering by delivering perceived lesser value so as not to cannibalize the higher end.
I hope they’ll offer the 2 new lenses as kit lenses for E-M5 too (yes I still hope the next kit zoom will be faster than the actual 12-50).
I was really looking forward to this camera so I hope this is wrong. The ridiculously overpriced EP-5 has 5 axis stabilization… how could a replacement for the E-M5 not??? I don’t get that, it’s got to be a mistake.
The E-M1 is sweet but bigger than I want. My E-M5 is the perfect size and I’m willing to forego some ease of handling to keep the size. The beauty of this system is the overall small size, premium lens performance and IBIS.
Honestly I can’t believe I value stabilization so much now. I shoot with a tripod 90% of the time but that last 10 makes a huge difference in capturing images that would otherwise be missed. A lot of times I simply need more height than my 5′ tripod provides. I’m 6’4″ so being able to hold the camera high overhead and still get tack sharp results thanks to the 5 axis IBIS has become invaluable to my way of shooting.
Big loss for Olympus if this is true. It would be a pure Apple type of jerk move. They should Just keep the PDAF in the E-M1 and this camera at the pre-discount price point of its predecessor the E-M5. That plus the handling difference would differentiate the models just fine.
The e-m10 is NOT a direct replacement of the e-m5.e
Good ibis is way overated. This is only usefull if youre objects dont move. OS is much better. M43 must focus on cheaper camera’s to compete with point and shoot. And i hope they are going to use a better sensor than the one sitting in the EM5 and 1. This sensor is already two years old and has so so ouput wich looks very very digital.
Because OIS somehow deals with moving subjects in a way that IBIS doesn’t? You are an idiot.
for sure, so bad but yet ahead of any canon aps-c… the problem with you is the piece behind the lcd
Good ibis is NOT over rated it depends on what / how you shoot. I’m a run and gun shooter and find the ibis gives me a higher success ratio in getting my shots. It’s useful even at higher shutter speeds which people seem to not realize. Also AMAZING (more so than photos imo) in video. 5-Axis if you’ve used it has allowed me to shoot without a tripod more often as well.
DEFINITELY not over rated for most people imo. I’m suprized anyone would say that unless they haven’t actually used it.
I like the impact of ibis in video, but I am not such a fan of it for shooting stills, as it can make critical framing a pain, so i just switch it off in such case.
Strange comments so far. So the E-M10 becomes what is predicted since a long time: the lowest model of a three level OM-D line. That the lowest model would be downscaled at some features like IBIS, view finder, and some performance aspects is a long awaited fact. Admin actually posted nothing new. So what is all the fuss about?
+1
This new camera is starting to appear like it is the entry level OMD. The true E-M5 replacement will be later this year. It looks like you will have three choices. So why are everyone so upset?
Because people love to complain. People want a perfect camera and for free. You can tell that it’s a basic model and still a lot will say that something is missing (really? 🙂 )
CRIPPLEWARE!!!
Just kidding, it’s probably smaller, so they couldn’t fit it in.
So does that mean that there will be a E-M5 successor too? OMD linup will consist of three models? Is that for sure?
Nothing is for sure until after it happened, and even then… 🙂
But the OM-D line getting 3 models is something Olympus has suggested more then a few times.
I wonder if this omission of the 5 axis is due to the extreme problem with shutter shake the current Oly micro 4/3 cameras have. This may be a positive step.
what about PDAF and AA in EM-10 sensor?
Amazingly stupid decision by Olympus.
Keep the 1.5 year old e-m5 model, and then have two models. The e-m5, with better stabilization, and the em10, with better IQ, but with a deliberately hampered stabilizaion.
Just when you thought at least one company had its head outside its ass.
Shades of the G10.
My knee jerk reaction is to grown and complain, but in fairness:
a) the camera isn’t even announced so we don’t know what the spec is
b) 3 axis sounds worse than 5, but maybe there’s other technology in place that provides better stabilization, not less.You can’t have a successor that’s less capable. A less expensive product could strip down features but would need to cost significantly less than the EM5 and would be a “new model,” not a successor. But a less stabilized, non weather sealed camera costing less than the current EM5 would start to sit in Stylus 1 territory, so that seems unlikely.
This rumor might be listed as a “5” probability, but I think something is wrong. I don’t believe it 🙂
(groan)
Duh, too bad. I really wanted e-m5 with vf-4, e-m1 is sure nice, but too expensive. Don’t have use for on sensor pdaf, only creates more noise on really long exposures 🙁
Now that the Olympus OMD rumors are heating up, I wonder when we’ll start to see rumors of a new PEN. I’d like to see Olympus make a rangefinder style camera with the following:
* Weather, dust, freeze and shock proof ruggedization
* Markedly improved high ISO, same megapixel count
* As many axes as it takes (5, 3,) to provide awesome stabilization without shutter shock, real or imagined
* Left side, flush to the body, hybrid EVF/OVF (like Fuji’s X100s), optionally displaying frame lines
* Tilting touch screen LCD
* Zebras for over exposure indication in stil and video
* Focus peaking in still and video
* Hyperfocal distance scale in software (like Ricoh GR)
* Standard mic and headphone jacks
* Hot shoe and popup Flash with wireless flash commander
* WiFi
* Better video codecs and frame rates
* 1/8000 or higher shutter speed
* Electronic shutter (silent) shutter mode
* High 1/320 or greater external flash sync
* Matching weather sealed, shock proof fast primes, in black, including lens hoods and pouches with leaf shutter capable of flash sync at any speed with lots more distance scale markings than current lineup and more solid feeling manual focus clutch
* All black or black and silver body at the same price
I’d gladly pay EM1 prices for this camera.
Wai…wait…you forgot the rainbows AND the unicorns……
Those would likely be exclusive to a deluxe package sold only in Japan, but that would give us something to complain about here in the U.S.
But no feature listed here doesn’t already exist in a current product, so not really that much of a stretch.
*Never act on the basis of imaginary features* is the wisdom I distill from this enormous thread.
Example?
* 3-axis is what I had on the E-P2 and works remarkably well. Never saw the difference with 5-axis, except the stabilization of EVF image. Probably saves on the battery.
* VF-2? No probs. VF is framing device, not a Da Vinci picture. Few people know that the recent Oly have a teleconverter 2X. Very useful to focus MF lenses, no need of F peaking.
* regretted lost feature: the E-M5 OLED. Works under all illumination. Was plonked because people complained that colours were not true. Who cares, you can check them in the EVF.
And so on and so forth. This is only to say that the E-M10 will probably be a very useable camera, for all ordinary conditions. People rarely need a Paris-Dakar machine.
All they do is lose time on rhe Internet about imaginary features. Their loss. I do it too, though 🙂
All good points. Still. An EPL-P-D (Paris-Dakar) would be fun! And would get me off my butt, away from the internet, and out in the winter, getting some exercise and taking more photos in the snow and freezing rain of NYC in January 😉