You really thought I would let pass this day without an Olympus E-M1 post? Here are four new links to learn more about the camera performance. Don’t worry, I will stop soon with E-M1 news. After all there are plenty of new cameras that will be announced in October 😉
The E-M1 news roundup:
Olympus OM-D E-M1 review updated with thoughts on RAW quality (Ming Thein)
E-M1 presentation in Ireland via DSLRmagazine (google translation here).
Video Features and Capability by Luminous Landscape.
Low light performance (ISO and stabilisation) and E-M5 comparison at Bestmirrorlesscamerareviews.
E-M1 hands-on with all JPEG and RAW samples at The.me.
Finland is having E-M1 Touch and Try events – five in ten days (Facebook)
List of E-M1 events in Germany via SystemKameraForum.
The E-M1 still sells (preorders) well according to Amazon mirrorless ranking (Click here).
Preorder Links:
Dedicated page at Amazon.
Olympus E-M1 body at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto, Amazon DE (via DL), Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL), WexUK, Topshot FI, CameraWorldUK.
Olympus M. Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO Lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, AmazonDE (viaDL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus E-M1 with 12-40mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK and CameraWorldUK, Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus E-M1 with 12-50mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK, CameraWorldUK, Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus EP-13 Eyecup for E-M1 at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus HLD-7 Battery Grip for E-M1 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LC-62D Metal Front Lens Cap for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LH-66 Lens Hood for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
126 Responses
Great comparaison at best-mirrorless. You can clearly see that the EM-1 is sharper than the EM-5. Very impressive 2seconds shots too even at 40mm ( 80mm equiv!).
The dpreview comparo is absurd because they used the much sharper 50mm f/2 macro on the omd against the mzd 45 f1.8 on the em1.
How can you see the E-M1 is sharper from those high iso samples? I think the advantages of not using AA is less obvious with the now very thin AA filters nowadays.
nice review, but mostly interesting for low light shooters. And I wonder if the less blurred E-M1 shot due to improved IS or luck? We are talking about a 2 sec. exposure.
After all what I’ve seen the E-M5 is sharper then the E-M1 up to ISO 1600. Then the E-M1 seems to be a little bit better then the E-M5. But really, who uses high ISO when he wants a good picture quality? Base ISO and a tripod if possible, higher ISO are a loss of picture quality.
M are you looking at the DPReview samples to make that decision? Is so there is a mistake. The E-M5 photos show they are taken on a 45mm f1.8 the same as the E-M1 photos but if you download them they are taken on the 50mm f2 where as if you download the E-M1 photos they are taken on the 45mm f1.8.
the dpreview cmparo is for fun~~always!
Just Noticed on the DPR studio test (new one) the EM1 is cooking the RAW!!!
go raw ISO 3200 – ok check grain, then move to 6400 – suddenly blurry and blotchy – like aggressive NR on the RAW!
or to see it more – sit at 6400iso and switch from EM5 to EM1! – cheets! I’m feeling the EM1 is no more IQ then the E-5 was over the PEN.
now scary thing is the sony cybershot R100II is looking as good as the EM5 if not very slightly better?!!!? – sensor noise not lens detail.
Download the files because that does not happen then if you open them up in Lightroom 5.2.
the low isos for E-M1 and E-M5 looks rather bad compared to the GX-1 and Nikon D7100, check the magnifier in RAW on the text files in the centre. Or am i gettin blind?(already have minus 10 on both eyes…….)
To my eyes, the only camera that looks clearly better than the others is the 5Diii. The others look more or less the same (E-M1/5, D7100, D800, NEX 6, Fuji, etc) — they seem to have some motive where they are better, and some where they are worse. The Fuji sensor/algorithm does well with faces, but less good with leaves, etc. (and stops at ISO 6400). But maybe I need to do an eye job, too :-). Anyway, the differences are not very big.
But it is great that we can compare the E-M1/M5 to cameras with larger sensors. Exciting times for the m43 scene.
You are right. But you are also one of the very few people here, whose photos will still be nice, even with “awful” sensors and “awful” corner sharpness wide open, as cleverly pointed out by many twits. We can both use flashes and get away with “awful” ISO.
One thing: you have many pictures of pretty girls, but why don’t you try pretty pictures of ugly girls? I found none in your flickr and that is a pity, I reckon it cripples your portfolio.
I still don’t agree on the prices tho, let alone the “next best thing after sliced bread” lying sort of marketing.
blotchy isnt due to NR
more likely a poor choice of RAW converter
I’m sure 24p video can be added through firmware, right?
It is probably the most requested feature, but it hasn’t happened with the E-M5 either… so…
yeh strangley it is but its by far the most pretentious… who the hell is outputting to cinima? I mean realy… no what they desperitly need to add is 25p, 50p, 60p, be good to have 24p and 50i, 60i but the first 3 are the most realisticly needed. but beyond this why the hell do they just not have a box (like adjusting the mm for IS on old lenses) that just specifies the framerate from 1fps all the way up to 60fps… seems logical (could even have side settings for 29.94 or whatever the slight miss timing from 30 is.
When I looked at the preview on dpreview all the em1 images look out of focus. Is there a new one?
Scott if you compare them to the E-M5 files then the E-M5 looks sharper. There is a reason for that though. Even though DPR shows them taken on the same lens they are not. When you download the E-M5 Raws you see they were taken with a 50mm f2 not the 45mm f1.8.
Even ming thein says its too expensive and has changed the tone from fangirl happy to “its ok”
And that’s why Ming has two E-M5 bodies on order.
Why would you pay for something you get for free anyways…?
thats why i want to work for olympus too.
Does anyone know why Olympus is not selling the new OM-D E-M1 with the new 12-40mm f2.8 lens as a kit in the US? I only see kits being offered via links to non-US sites. In the US, retailers only seem to be offering the items separately.
I met Olympus reps at B&H last week as i mentioned the kittens,. and he said: there will be no E-M1 +kitlens 12-40 at least untill the next 6 months, because of high demand lens
Thank you for the reply. Guess that means I wait!
if you look at the prices on the kit in Europe, you will see that it is still exactly the same as buying both separately in amazon US – you are getting the reduction on each part separately.
Also it seems that there an awful lot fewer lenses around than camera bodies, so if you are preordering and waiting for a lense, you might be waiting a long time. Best to do what I did – order the body, and you will get it quicker, then sit back and wait for the full lens reviews on the 12-40 🙂
Oh thats why Ming bought one……cos its just ok haha sure.
He openly admits to work for olympus, so of course hes getting one for free. And go read his final thoughts, he is clearly less impressed.
He don’t work for olympus,its the other guy , Robin wong who work for Olympus, Ming still use his Nikon D800E and hassy as a primary work,.but for pleasure and traveling photo he use smaller format
You’re confused, Robin Wong works for Olympus, Ming Thein doesn’t
they all look the same to a redneck
It doesnt matter. Are you all really that diluted to think he isnt sponsored by oly? He “happens” to vet the new models every time? WAKE UP YOU MORONS
“Diluted”? Mwahahaha!
Interesting that you call everybody fanboys, but in fact, you are the biggest fanboy of all here. Almost no other here behave like you do. You should probably seek help from a psychiatrist. It can’t be healthy to go around with so much anger and hate. Soner or later you will probably blow a fuse!
Insulting people doesn’t make you look smarter and won’t give credit to your arguments. You should think about it.
Do you talk to people like that in real life?
Sounds pretty racist here
How willnthe oly fantards be able to pick it up? Its as big as the gh3! Which according to you all is unmovable
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2826/9814741863_587d468b9b_o.jpg
4th link, read the review: they say it s smaller than gh3… But they’re probably lying?
It may be a conspiracy… Hopefully you know the truth.
Tell us about your childhood… Drunk father, mommy never at home?
I have eyes. Didnt you see the photo? Havent you read the specs?
you have eyes.. but dont know how to read… you even confuse ming thein with robin wong
I also tend to forget fanboys are sheep. They eather believe something they read rather tban looking at an actual photo. So sure in that regard the em1 is waaaay smaller and also one stop cleaner
It’s a LITTLE bit smaller than the GH3. Mostly the shoulder height. Overall height is identical, and the GH3 is a whopping 2mm wider. The biggest difference is the grip, which is noticeably smaller on the EM-1.
But yes, the fanboys have changed their tune, but they always do. When Oly didn’t offer an SLR style camera with EVF, and Panasonic did, all the Olytards said “who wants an SLR style camera, I prefer rangefinder style, and I prefer composing via the LCD so I can see around the camera. Right. That lasted until the OM-D was introduced, then you didn’t hear anything about how much better rangefinder style was, or how great i was to compose via the LCD.
When Panny introduced the GH3, all the Oly fantards could do was complain about how big it was. Same with the 12-35. Now Oly introduces a camera nearly the same size, but it’s not too big, somehow. And the 12-40, which is even bigger than the 12035, is suddenly OK.
Remember all the wishing a hoping that Oly would introduce a Pen with a built-in EVF? Now that Panasonic did it, you keep hearing how the removable EVF is better, because you don’t need to have it on all the time, and the Panny EVF sticks out the back, and the GX7 doesn’t have 5-way IBIS, and whine, whine, whine.
All fantards are boring, but Oly fantards are worse than most.
Hahaha!! Wow… that’s FAIL! Olympus is trying to sell a camera the size of a GH3, yet not with the Video Quality that the GH3 has!!
Still quality is in the same range, so is focusing speeds. Theonly 1Up is FT lens support (which is for the 1%) and FP for manual lenses. Other than that, it’s not worth the Price!
Fly off the shelves, this will NOT.
Actually, the E-M1 has also 5-axis and a much tougher build and also the sealing of the Pana is not up to the Oly’s game. The Pana is for video and the Oly has more advantages to go for if video has no special priority to oneself (except for price). Wasn’t the GH3 price once also in the 1300€ regions?
Now, gues what: I will get the E-M5 with the 12-50 and I will get a Pana 14-140 for the next vacation. “What you can mix them? Yeah!” …..
Grow up, both of you Pana fanboys! The GH3 now has gotten some really tough competition and you are whinning? Jeez! I hate fanboys, those from Pana and those from Oly! All you fanboys are some true pain up the ***!
At that size, my 6D runs circles around this overpriced M43 camera! I would suggest anyone thinking about buying this camera to look elsewhere. There are better cameras for this price from Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji AND Panasonic!!!
The only group of people I wouldn’t comment on would be the FT legacy glass Owners. Olympus was (Kinda) thinking about them with this camera. Anyone else, I would laugh at them. If I were to see someone on the street with this camera and there’s no FT lens on it, I would laugh in their face. It is TOO expensive, for what it is.
Say what you want to say MICRO FOUR THIRDS is a secondary camera to pros for a reason, SMALL CAMERAS, WITH GREAT PRIMES. -Which is why the GF1/20mm kit is so coveted.
Keep making bigger cameras like this one with large lenses to match and M43 will DIE.
Sorry a 6D does not run circles around it. Your 6D has a one stop advantage. Even the 5D MKIII only has a one stop advantage at high iso with tungsten lighting shot on Raw. That advantage can be gained back with primes that can be used wide open such as the 45mm f1.8 and 75mm f1.8. Canon 85mm f1.8 and f1.2 need stopping down by two stops before performance is good enough. Similar issues when comparing 12-40 f2.8, 12-60mm, 12-50 f2 and 14-54mm f2.8-f3.5 to some of the Canon zooms.
With the 6D the following are worse:
Raw buffer 17 Raw frames compared to 50 frames
build quality
viewfinder size
viewfinder coverage 97% compared to 100%
No AF assist beam
Less AF points 11 compared to contrast AF (81-point) with on-sensor phase detection AF (37-point)
Top speed 1/4000 compared to 1/8000
Bottom speed 30sec compared to 60sec
Flash sync 1/180 compared to 1/320
Frame rate 4.5 fps compared to 6.5 fps with variable exposure, 10 fps with fixed exposure
No built in WiFi
No built in image stabilisation
There are other things that are worse but this is a start.
What you get with the 6D is full frame camera but that comes at a price. it is very much a stripped back, bare bones FF camera. Even the 5D MKIII lacks some of the features and to get those features you have to look at the top end Canon or the Nikon D4. Those missing features will effect some people. For me the 6D is simple not up to the task. There is more to a camera than the sensor size and those other things the 6D lacks.
The 6D IQ beats ANY Olympus camera TO DATE. Funny how you put out all these points, yet even after all of it, the Canon 6D would STILL beat out any M43 camera!
And the 6D DOES have WiFi AND GPS.
-would beat out any Olympus camera in ISO.
-Better, natural colors, compared to Olympus extra Saturated, contasty, sharpened images.
-50 frames vs 17? Ha! The IQ of those 17 will be more useable than the 50!
-Build quality is similar, except the top plate of the 6D id plastic, in order for the signal to enter/exit
-the 6D DOES have a IR AF assist beam.
-11 points for the 6D, but that center cross point I’d bet is more precise than all 81 points of the E-m1.
-Please don’t mention anything related to video. E-m1 video is laughable.
-no built in IS, but I use the canon 35mm f2 WITH Image Stabilization in the lens…now, add that to the “One Stop” advantage of the 6D.. What’s the advantage then??
But you’re right… its the cheapest FF camera from canon. as much as its stripped down from the MkIII, it does some thing better.. Shoots better in darker areas and the built in WiFi/Gps with dedicated fleshed out canon apps for Android iOs..
Wake me when Olympus makes a camera with better IQ than the 6D.. yeah, there is more to a camera than sensor size. Image Quality.
Lets take one of the things you mentioned the Canon 35mm f2. The lens does not perform on the edges until you start to close it down does it. It is something it is known for. On top of this the lens has dreadful bokeh even wide open. So no advantage there at all.
You said: “50 frames vs 17? Ha! The IQ of those 17 will be more useable than the 50!”… So there you are in-front of your client trying to explain how you have 17 wonderful sharp images and the client saying “but you missed the key moment!!, These photos are unusable!”
You said: -“Better, natural colors, compared to Olympus extra Saturated, contrasty, sharpened images”. Really, that must be why I get paid to regrade more Canon files to get decent skin tone colour out of them than any other camera brand. Nikon and Olympus produce decent skins tones easily out of the box but it is known to be Canon weak point. Yes you can correct it by shooting Raw but then again you could set the Olympus colours to anything you wanted to then anyway. As for extra Saturated, contasty, sharpened images from Olympus. If you has actually ever used one correctly you would know there are settings for all these within the cameras menu, plus with the E-M1 you can just dial in the saturation and hue you want. A feature not found on Canon yet.
And there is a huge difference in the build quality, are you really trying to tell us the 5D and top end Canon is no better made than the 6D? If so you really need to handle these cameras and use them in the flesh rather than online line, then you would know how wrong you are on this statement.
Comparing M43 with FF is ridiculous…….M43 pictures look very very and digital. High iso is a joke on M43. Video is a joke on em5 and em1. The size and therefore the ergonomics of em5 and em1 is only good for most woman and little men. When you want to print big m43 is a joke. Etc etc etc etc…..so please top comparing FF and M43. They both for different users.
Shenkie there is already a pro music photographer and a big one at that using E-M5 for concert photography shot in low light. I see from another post you have not even tried printing large from a M43 file. You should therefore try it before making a comment. I have already resized E-M1 and 5D MKIII for 20×16 print use from low light photos and the difference is 1 stop. Yes the Canon photo has slightly more detail but only if you view it at less than 30 cm away. Reality is not nailing the focus 100% or any tiny camera shake will notice a lot more than that on the print. I myself already use M43 for professional theatre production work and I have also used 5Ds and the difference is a stop nowadays and that is real world use.
If I want a jump up in real quality terms then I would use medium format or take out one of my 5×4 or 10×8 cameras
The photos don’t look digital if the camera is set up right. If you over sharpen them then they will. Shoot Raw and it is even better. If photos look digital that is user error or lack of knowledge. I agree that the interior shots there was a link to were not good but that was a camera not set up correctly in the first place. At high iso I never ever use Olympus noise reduction as I don’t like the results. I use something like Lightroom 5.2 instead.
FF clearly has some advantages – FOR NOW… go ahead invest in the all that big glass that is rapidly becoming obsolete.. Look at the writing on the sensor wall, the gap is negligible in most areas, and with the next generation or two will be non-existant.
For many the shallow Dof of FF is a huge DISADVANTAGE!! You can get to the shallow Dof with m43 with fast primes, but when you need to shoot low ligth wide open, you can have more than the pimple on someones nose in focus..
Add to that macro, and travel and even wedding photography..FF has few areas where it is still “better”. If you cannot see this then you simply have not looked at the trend; Oly got it wrong with 43 because they were just ahead of their time – it has taken until now for smaller sensor tech to be viable competition, but that day is here now!
if current m43 is a joke – then so is every camera made untill 2006…
Current m43 is as sharp and as good ISO as the best 2006 gear…
So nice to hear that after 100 years of imaging canon has finaly in the last 6 years got a pro grade camer that can capture pro images… about time eh?
You can write a thesis about IQ of the E-M1, STIIL, its nowhere close to a FF camera. I won’t even comment on your points. Keep hope alive. I know why I use M43, and its not because of better IQ, or even close to that. Its because of PORTABILITY. I can take it with me anywhere. I can have it around my neck all day, with no complaints. IQ is okay but isn’t touching my FF camera.
AGAIN, because I dont want to get off topic, FOR WHAT IT IS, THE E-M1 IS TOO EXPENSIVE!! If you don’t own 43glass and you’re not a Olympus Fanboy, please, spend your money elsewhere. There are just too many better options than this camera. OR, wait for a substancial price drop.
The GH3 is a much better deal than this camera. Sure, you miss out on IBIS and FP, but image quality is the same and Video is WAY BETTER. Don’t be fooled by the fanboys saying “but wasnt tbe GH3 $1300 when it was first released?”-The GH3 isnt that price now!
Dont let Olympus rip you off…. pricing a M43 camera for $1400/1500 for a body only will doom M43… Watch!
“ONE STOP” HAHAHA YOU’RE A JOKE the GX7 is already said to have better images quality than the GH3 and the image quality on the E-M1 is already classed as being better than the GX7. If you want a combination of good video and stills then look at the GX7 or GH3 but if your more interested in just image quality look at the E-M1. With the E-M1 though some will be attracted to the video because of the IS which now works for panning as well. The different frame rates don’t stop pros from using it as they know how to do things in post production. Or if you can stretch to it go for an E-M1 and a Blackmagic.
So which M43 do you have and which FF?
I have a 6D and a PEN E-P5. You don’t know what you’re talking about. What are you doing on a 43 forum when you’ve clearly never used these cameras?
yes, you’re right. Oly has finally made a camera that can compete with the GH3, something they didn’t have before. excpet for video, then they still don’t have a camera that can complete with Panny.
it’s pretty funny to see you calling other people fanboys, when your clearly one your self.
So the E-M5 can’t compete with GH-3? That’s just stupid.
I own cameras from many brands, including the em5. Its just funny seeing the amount of denial and tone change here. Like it was said above, first rangefinder was the holy grail, then em5 was then big was the thing. But only if and when oly does it. Gx7? Nobody suddenl6 wants a corner vf, they preffer the clip on. But Wait till a corner vf oly comes, suddenly thats gonna be the shit. Hahahahahahaha
I agree with you on that one! It is kind of funny to how people mediocre-ize the GX7…. But then there are also Pana fanboys which flame against the E-M1 price when the 1 year old GH3 with the 12-35 is still priced between 1850-2200€.
I can understand that you try to be a counterweight but if you both then why should you bother to always pick on the Oly stuff? (I know the internet is anonymous).
But for what it is, which is video first, stills second, its still a better option than the EM1. Remember how people trjed to downplay its stills, when they are similar in IQ with the E-M5.
Not in Germany, brand new and ordered from the internet. (Maybe if one invests 24h of searching.)
Yeah, I remember that. For my preferences this holds for the OOC JPEGs. But in RAW the differences are very shallow. So I understand your anger. The GH3 is the videographer’s choice, no question, but if one has no special interest in videography, I think the E-M1 is the better choice (price has to be seen in 4 month, now it is the early phase).
But that is my opinion and actually the GH3 is already to heavy for me. The E-M1 might be a bit better since it has 50g (which 10% of its weight) less than the GH3, but I think GX7 or E-M5 both fit my needs better.
Actually, I think they should join forces and give us an OM-G1 with all the good things from both sides.
No, the E-M5 and the GX7 are pretty much the same competition to the GH3 (and the E-M1) when it comes down to IQ and if you want something small the E-M5 and GX7 are even better. I meant body size and external controls (GH3 vs E-M1).
So this means Pana had no E-M5 competition before the GH3 came? That is ridiculous, since that is something absolutely normal in the tech world: when the competition brings something new then most of the time the other companies lag behind some time….
Already that my comment made you believe that I am a Oly fanboy shows your blind hate for anyone that is interested in Oly gear…. Oo
Except, of course, for the slow-ass stills AF on the 6D, and the lousy, noisy Canon sensor, and the cheap plasticky body.And the lousy AF in video mode. Yep, other than that it’s just as good as m43.
I’m not even going to touch that one…. I don’t want to get you Olyfanboys upset… 6D Noise…. HAHAHAHAA!!
Yes you are right, 6D is better cause noise is sharper on FF sensor 🙂
(I know noise is still noise, even if it’s sharper… but they need compassion so…)
Hahahaaahaaaa!
Clueless much? The Oly OM-D’s and the GH2 meet exactly the same spec for water intrusion. Unless you’ve actually used both in the same conditions, and had one fail, you’re just making sh*t up.
Panny fanboys? And you’re not an Oly fantard? Still image quality is going to be essentially identical, build quality of the GH3 is top notch, and the Oly lacks decent video. And since almost all my lenses have OIS, I don’t care about IBIS. And no, in spite of your wet dreams, 5-way IBIS isn’t really a lot better than OIS.
The EM-1 has two real advantages: a better EVF, and AF with 4/3 lenses. I coldn’t care less about the latter.
The GH2 is not weatherproofed
My friend, no I am not an Oly fanboy. I also thought about getting the G6 with 14-140 (and it is still on my mind), but that camera feels too shallow and plastic (especially that back dial)… :S
The weather sealing stuff was something that I have read about. It was claimed that, albeit its specifications, the GH3 has a worse sealing. Maybe that was a lie. I don’t know.
I was saying that the E-M1 has its advantages in stills beacause of the better VF, the better C-AF, FP, 5-axis (for Sigma, Oly, Schneider?, legacy stuff), 1/8000 shutter speed and other things. So if video is more of a small hobby then that E-M1 seems to be the better camera (not certainly the better deal) in my mind. If one is a 43 user than the E-M1 wind again. If one is more serious about videography than the GH3 wins hands down, no question here.
I don’t have any feelings about Oly or Pana or any other brand. It is just that m43 fits my needs the best. I was considering the E-M5 and the G6 and later also GX7 (E-P5 is just too expensive). I am favoring the E-M5 because of its build, the 5-axis stuff and I also like its design. I am still thinking about the GX7 since it would be “better” in almost every respect except for weather sealing and the 5 axis. But since I am not a videographer I would not be able to even exploit all the OM-D video, but the 5-axis steady video would give me steady results, with any lens and no matter what the settings are or how my composition/exposure looks like. It is an always-there benefit (and also works with Pana non OIS primes). The E-M5 also comes with a much more versatile kit lens (12-50 vs 14-42II) for the same price and I hope for some price drops in October. Initially, I also prefer the 12-40 (range, MF clutch, price at the moment) over the 12-35, there the 5-axis would also yield benefits. But one has to wait for reviews whether it can also keep up with the 12-35 in IQ. I also thought about the G6 to get the 14-140 cheaper and to get the E-M5 (or maybe E-M6 or GX8 by then) when I want to get that 12-35/12-40. (Now, I start again to think what to get! If it was already November! …)
So if I am an Oly fanboy then there is maybe nothing I can do about it. But that true homer (albeit using Oly gear) and the CAPS guy, those were the guys I was refering to, seem to be pretty hard Pana fanboys since they always attack Oly stuff and always defend the Pana stuff.
I came here for M43 news, not Panasonic news. But seeing the Rediculous Bias for anything Olympus and the Un-Warranted Hatred for Anything Panasonic, swayed me over to defend Panasonic. I can recall a couple years back when True Homer would literally get attacked by swarms of Olympus fanboys for calling out something factual!
There is a discusting senseless bias here for Olympus simply for their camera history, and a hatred for Panasonic because they had no camera history. Lets call it for what it really is. Every time Panasonic does something good, the post gets attacked by Olympus fanboys.. just you wait and see in the next Panasonic post.
In a way, I think the GX7 will be my last M43 camera. I’m hoping Panasonic moves onto aps-c sensors and competes with Fuji, Sony, Canikon instead and let Olympus and its fanboys Rot.
Call me a Panasonic fanboy, call me a troll, say I attack Olympus posts, call me whatever. I KNOW WHY I do what I do a what I shoot with and what I prefer… because of FOUR THIRD RUMORS and it’s Insane Olympus fanboys, I would never purchase a Olympus product ever again. EV-ER.
SAD. because I came here first before I even brought my first M43 camera, and this is the same place why I wont miss it when I finally leave it.
I am new here (like 2-3 month) and during that time you and true homer were kind of really aggressive. That was my statistic. There are also the Oly fanboys but I don’t remember them by name because there are more.
I had no intentions to attack either one of you. But still since you are attacking Oly stuff now (for whatever reason) I needed to step myself. I think that I also might have a slight bias to Oly (They just caught me with that E-M5 and Pana was too late with its GX7, although they also caught me.. Too much choice!! :D)
Actually I also had the feeling better not to invest in a system with these kind of users…. But then I hope that this jsut attracted 80% of the trolls and the rest would be regular users. If I would change there are just 2 choices X or E mount. But the X cameras are a bit lacking in speed and the E cameras in lenses. So at the moment m43 is still my system of choice. I also like the more DOF of the 2 time crop.
Image quality essentially identical, LMAO. How about taking a look at DxoMark. E-P5 has 895 ISO while GH3 has merely 812 ISO. Good indication that E-M1 will take better picture than inferior GH3.
E-M1 is ranked #2 in Amazon best sellers: camera compact system. Where is GH3? Ah I have to turn many pages to see its position in #658. So, nobody cares about your deperate need for video. They want 5-axis IBIS and other great features in OMD.
Typical Pana fanbabies are so stupid.
Yet, there’s constant GH3 used in the field. LOVE the Spin you tried to put there… The E-M1 is sandwiched between the G5 (Which I own, Great camera, Great deal) and the Canon mirrorless.. AHHAHAHA!!! That’s not saying much!
By the way… The GH3 is on the BIG BOY “BEST SELLERS IN DSLR” LIST at #35 and Climbing… Where’s the Just-As-Big E-M1??
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/photo/3017941/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_p_1_2_last#2
SO… You were saying?
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wow, you really are an full blown idiot! Does your head hurt when you try to think? You are actually the first real idiot I have ever read something from. Interesting to see what true madness can do to people. Can you describe how it feels to be so insane? Can you eat by your self or does someone have yo feed you? Are you capable to use the bathroom without help? What medication are you on?
Truth is if Oly had good video modes (which the hardware, engineers and licences are very able to implement – at near no cost) there would be no reason to get a GH3…
Here you go!
http://camerasize.com/compare/#381,482
It says it right there! Is the denial so big? Its exactly as tall and wide and smaller in the one place where it shouldnt: the grip.
And the battery grip is bigger than the gh3s (taller). Its bigger! Whats so difficult to accept?! Hahahahaha
What? Now you have to backpedal and are ashamed? Hahahahah aaaaaaaah…fantards…
They are almost same size. So what? These are the cameras for heavy lens users and DSLR user attraction. If you like GH3 then don’t flame against E-M1. Makes no sense.
“These are the cameras for heavy lens users and DSLR user attraction. ”
Even MORE of a reason to just get a DSLR, Unless you want video, then go for the GH3.
No, since you won’t get a 90mm F1.8 (F3.6 DOF) lens in this size and weight, or a 24-70 or 24-80 F2.8, both weather sealed, one with OIS, the other with mF clutch for this pricea, size and weight. m43 has its undeniable advantages when we are talking about lenses, for amateurs, travel, personal use and sometimes even professional use.
DSLR are just too heavy.
Damn pictures are not so good for a 1500 euro body. Its kind of a ripp-off.
Yep. Prices are much higher in the EU, and we are not even getting 24p.
The EU used 25fps – unless you own a cinima?
Which is still not included in the E-M1/5.
😐
Sure and he also works for Sony and Hasselblad and gets everything for free.
Too bad he has interlacing on in the video at luminous landscape.
I’m glad it’s not just me, the interlacing is completely distracting, how the hell did he manage that? I have shot most video modes on my E-M5 and never seen anything like it. Perhaps his rendering profile when exporting from his editor?
High iso shots are terrible. But thats no surprise for M43. We already new that from the EM5. Other pictures look over processed and very very digital. I only can imagine the really bad outcome if you want to print big. Thats also a bad tradeoff for Oly. Its a shame, i had higher hopes. But i think my girls still going to enjoy this relative smallish weatherproof cam.
Photos from a digital camera are digital.
What makes me smile is the overhype. Why, after almost two years you issue a camera that is twice the price of the E-M5, and the IQ difference is down to that? 🙂
You must be an absolute 4/3 beggar to fork immediately the geld for your loved legacy lenses, holding to some dozen obscured pixels 🙂
BTW LL seems to like the video capability, despite you lamers are saying. You can chose different formats and framerates, and can get up to half an hour videos. I am curious to know what script you can invent that can stand a half an hour brain cell mash. A massacre in a classroom, or in an Army facility? A half an hour typhoon, or a state wide fire? 🙂
Please feel free to send suggestions. Other than that the E-M1 is absolute candy for those 3 kg. lenses of yours 🙂
I just wonder how to recover the 2000 escudos…
“Twice the price”? Show me where you could buy an E-M5 for $699 when it was released, or where you can buy it now for that price.
Well you surely need all the little perks to do your little disaster video with obsolete lenses: the adapter, the grip, the 1000 escudos HG legacy lens, or the 1000 escudos 12-40…
Then you need to buy a separate microphone, or a recorder, the software. And the camera is so powerful that you need to update your computer so that it is an additional 2000 escudos.
I think you should ask for memebership with South American drug guerrillas to do that in a short time.IU wonder if the Huffington Post will ever pay you more than a couple of Coronas 🙂
What a dishonest attempt at justifying your lie. What does that say about you?
By the way, I don’t shoot video.
“what a dishonest attempt” who are you a politician? Amalric is stupid but he is right.
Amalric continues to display tremendous ass-hattery. The girlish sprinkling ofsmiley emoticons amongst references to tragedies seems indicative of internet enabled rodomontade.
Grow up, troll
Funnly enough I kinda agree… all be agree in a diffrent tone…
Now the dust has settled, I’m kinda thinking the EM5 is plenty camera and delivers as good results if you don’t use 43 glass… with the exceptions of AF tracking and auto HDR (which I would like in cam).
Oh and just for the record things that require more than 1/2 hr of record time for video are mostly events; bands, weddings, sailing, motorcross, speaches, plays… etc non of which you want stopping right at a critical moment… especialy if you want to setup stationary cameras to mix with a worked camera or 2…
Tracking is not so bad in the E-M5. The main problem is to have a target big enough to fill the green square, and that has nothing to do with PDAF.
CDAF on simple CAF might be different. P. Potka’s galloping horse is indeed impressive. However with the E-M5 Don Parrot demonstrated how well he could follow running and jumping dogs, so I am not sure yet what is the part of PDAF, and what is that of 120 MHz processing speed in CDAF.
Finally I discounted the half an hour limit, because scripted scenes in real cinema are always much shorter than that. Documentaries might be different, but yet to me it’s not a serious limit. If I had to do specialised work, I’d get a specialised camera, and that seems to be the reasoning of Oly’s
engineers too.
OYH I really hope that some E-M1’s worthy tricks like in camera HDR (long due), or the Colour Master trickles down – they certainly don’t require 2000 Credits!
E-m1 is 1400 not 2000.
Why not, its working for Canon
Yes but those eyes also told you Ming works for Olympus
Well the non-fanboys can even do that without reading anything or ever use the camera themself.
5 axis is the bonus
Something interesting about E-M1 and C-AF:
http://www.pekkapotka.com/journal/2013/9/19/more-on-c-af-with-olympus-e-m1.html
Nice reading. Thanks for the link.
Thanks! That’s was very impressive tracking performance even with shallow dof! Clearly a BIG step in the m4/3 world!
No, it’s just another example of the shoddy methodology that passes for “testing” these days. Without directly comparing it to another camera shooting the same subjects, you don’t know if this performance is above average, worse than average, or just average.
I’m pretty sure a GH3 could do about as well, given my limited experience so far.
Yet another test by a sponsored person
Huffington post will pay even for mobile movies as long as you are on the right time and place.
Well he’s confused about a lot of things. Im sure its difficult and exhausting to google all day for e-m1 negative comments.
So..According to LL, the E-M1 video quality is better then the E-M5? it shard to judge from the sample. Or is he referring to the different codec only?
It is getting really boring!
Many here are repeating the same thing over and over and over again, post after post after post…
Olympus:
where are the Apps ?????
So i could configure my Camera myselfe (Panorama…etc) & you could earn add. Money ! Isn’ t it a good Deal ???
Thanks already !!!!!!!
You can change settings, focus, shoot, view pics, download pics, a lot of options.. I can take a pic with my android phone, download it and send it to Flickr, Instagram, FB, etc…it’s crazy efficient and convenient!
WITH E-M1 NEW 5 AXE IBIS YOU CAN TAKE 2 SECONDES HANDHELD PICTURES.
“”WITH E-M1 NEW 5 AXE IBIS YOU CAN TAKE 2 SECONDES HANDHELD PICTURES.””
sure you can but the will be a blurry mess with no detail perhaps you should have downloaded those shots and looked at them
Than keep on rubbing that 6d at night and during day times take photos instead of hanging around here.
And it took you all night to come up with that. Now that is funny hahahahhaha
He also had new Sony’s and Nikon d800 so he works for them aswell.
Homer this might come as a shock but………ming thein and robin wong are not the same person.
They call it the full frame syndrom
Please switch from “flat view” to “tree view”: your comments will display in the right place…
Olympus reps have been touring the UK spending the day in selected dealers to show the E-M1. I called in to check it out the other day. To me, m43 is very much a second system (I have an E-PL5 with the bigger grip, and 14/2.5 and 45/1.8 lenses). I am a fairly satisfied Nikon DSLR user (D5100, 7100, and several lenses), after a number of years with Canon EOS film and DSLRs and medium format film gear.
I see the new E-M1 as something of a breakthrough camera. It is the first camera from this format that feels right (to me) in my hands. The build quality is better than any current DX/APS-C model from either Nikon or Canon. You would need to go to FF to get better. This is a camera that finally competes! If Olympus can build on this with wider market appeal with the E-M6 things will look very good indeed.
Unfortunately they didn’t have the 12-40mm zoom with them. Apparently that decision came from Japan as the lens is still being “tweaked”. They confirmed that 2 more Pro class lenses are definitely on the way (in addition to the 12-40 and 40-150). They are as much in the dark as we are as to specific details, but a wide angle zoom and a prime long telephoto are coming.
Alan I have heard similar from someone I use to employ as my assistant manager in a camera shop. He said he was so impressed by the build and handling. Before they did not keep the OMD in stock. He has now on the strength of the E-M1 camera ordered the whole lot in with various lenses. The shop is part of a chain and all of the shops have ordered a lot of the E-M1s as they were so impressed with the camera and the direction Olympus were now going in.
Thanks for this wise and balanced comment. It’s refreshing after trying to escape all those trolls jumping around… 🙂
Hmmmm maybe the joke is on you.