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Dealsrunner.com (Click here) spotted the Amazon Germany price of the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO lens. It will cost 999 Euro but if you try to preorder the page goes blank. The preorder links will work tomorrow at 5am London time (Stay tuned on 43rumors to follow the announcement).
Digicameinfo updated the E-M1 spec list (specs via google translation):
- Olympus OM-D E-M1
– 16.28 million pixel LiveMOS sensor with 37 phase detection pixels
– “DUAL FAST AF” hybrid autofocus (hybrid means contrast and phase detection AF).
– Greatly improve the tracking performance of the C-AF
– 6.5 frames / 10 frames with fixed exposure.
– 200-25600, LOW ISO range (ISO100 equivalent)
– The shutter speed -1/8000 seconds up to 60 seconds
– New TruePicVII Image processing engine
– Adopt image processing technology “Fine detail II”, magnification chromatic aberration correction, Moire Reduction
– EVF is 0.029 seconds time lag, High magnification 2.36 million dots of 0.74 times 35mm conversion,
– touch panel LCD monitor 1.04 million dot 3.0-inch, movable,
– 5-axis camera shake correction
– Video Full HD (1920×1080 30p, 24Mbps)
– -10 ℃ Low-temperature performance dustproof drip-proof,
– Wi-Fi Built-in
– Dimensions: 130.4 x 93.5 x 63.1mm
– Weight: 497g (including battery media), 443g (body only)
– Kit with 12-50mm will ship in early October and 12-40mm kit in late Ocotber
- M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 12-40mm F2.8 PRO
– Linear motor, MSC mechanism, AF inner focus
– Manual focus clutch mechanism
– 20cm minimum focusing distance (maximum magnification of 0.3 times, 35mm equivalent 0.6 times) throughout the entire zoom range
– Dust-proof drip
– I squeeze seven feathers (circular aperture)
– Filter size: 62mm
– Total length: 84mm, maximum diameter 69.9mm
– Weight: 382g
– late November release
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Cheaper than 12-35, but still a bit pricey. Really hope it is a fine glass!
I think the Price is okay. Of course I would be glad to pay less but I was about to order the f2/12mm amd it is about 650€. And that is only for 12mm and it is not as good as the f1.8/75mm, wich is of course a bit more expencive too.
They are primes, it’s slightly better than zooms. Of course you can use 75mm f2.8, but I doubt it will be as using 75mm prime. Same for 12mm, my favourite lens for landscapes (I use 7-14mm only to add a dramatic feeling, I find Zuiko12mm to be sharper. And smaller.)
But it has no weather sealing and i’am going to vietnam.
Is it such a problem? Really, I don’t know. I’ve taken E-m5 + every prime out in the pouring rain and snow, and never had a problem.
Actually the macro kit 12-50 is not that special, but 60mm macro is weather sealed and a really good lens: consider it for macro and portraits!
I bought the 12-35 for 990 euros (same price) at the very first time, now you can find it for 750 euros (go to my digitaland !)
Only 73g heavier than the E-M5. Not exactly a monster!
actually it is in the way lighter than EM5. EM5 weighs 425 grams but you have to add the grip to hand hold with most lenses. even the first part of HLD6 grip weighs 106 grams. EM1 already effectively has this first part of the grip build in. So EM1 is lighter than EM5 despite being slightly larger, in effect!
Good point, hadn’t thought of that. Thanks!
Thanks for pointing this out. Your statement might cost me an arm and a leg… 😉
With the weight of 497g, I will not hesited to buy an E-M1 replacing my E-5!! That’s even ligher that E-620! What a great effort!
But not that lens, I’d rather keep my 14-54 II and waiting for 40-150 to see if it will replace my 50-200 SWD.
“Adopt image processing technology “Fine detail II”, magnification chromatic aberration correction, Moire Reduction”
Does it mean that Olympus included automatic CA correction in the EM-1? Would be very a good news.
It sure would be. Very hopeful about this camera. Likely to wait until the 40-150/2.8 comes out tho, as it is sports AF I need an upgrade for. Really hoping that Olly have nailed the PDAF-on-sensor solution.
Is such CA removal independent from lens data?
IOW, is it removed by analysing the resulting picture only, or is it removed from knowing what lens it’s taken with (w/ lens data programmed into the CA calculation)?
Good question.
I’m not sure how Panasonic auto CA removal works, but I think it’s independent from the lenses datas. It works fairly well in Panasonic cameras, and it’s even automatically done in LR, without ticking the auto correction box.
If Olympus implement the same process, it will be excellent, as many m4/3 lenses produce a fairly high amout of CA. No problem with 4/3 lenses though 🙂
in panasonic the CA info is in each lens! – but is/was not used by olympus – but maybe now olympus is using the same data – they said they had a fell set of data in the camera for all the 43 lenses so it does the right things with the processing… so maybe they also have done the same witht he m43 stuff! – nice… this is a feature that should be standard nowdays!
Thanks for the clarification. I didn’t know that.
One question : does Panasonic cameras include Olympus and other non Panasonic lenses datas to correct CA?
no so far only panny lenses have the CA data in them – no oly lenses have to date – and only panasonic bodys make use of the data on the panasonic lenses… no data is on the oly lenses!
and 93.5 mm of width is just nearly the same as E-620, it will must to hold better than great compat reflex! Well done Olympus!
The E-M1 is 93.5 mm deep. The width is 130.4 mm, 0.4 mm wider than the E-620.
No, it’s 93,5 mm high.
Depth is 63,1 mm.
That’s right!
I guess my guesses weren’t too far out then (at 129 X 92mm). 😉
Or just as as wide and tall as the gh3. To quote you: you were wrong you fucktard
Well those dimensions are within a few millimetres of being the same as an OM-3. The weight is less than 100 grams lighter than that of an OM-3. Perfect.
Dimensions..
– OM-D E-M1: 130.4 x 93.5 x 63.1mm (m43 sersor)
– Fuji x-e1: 129 x 75 x 38 mm (aps-c sensor)
– Nikon D600: 141 x 113 x 82 mm (Full Frame)
Only reason to buy camera with tiny sensor (and worse IQ) is its small size.
D600 sensor is almost 4 times bigger than E-M1’s and bodies are
almost same sized. Does not make any sense?
Yawn.
In the real world you would put a lens on it.
Well, do you expect the camera to be just 1/4 in size as well?
There are limits to minaturization, to maintantain handling.
Looking very good for size and ergonomics, in my view.
better take lens weight and size in account. However, if you take only 1-2 lens around, that doesn’t make sens. For me, a train photographer, I take almost always E-5 , 7-14, 14-54 and 50-200 SWD and a 190CX3 to go to montains or some other difficile places, the weight of the whole system matters really much! If you can win weight for one bottle of water more, that matters too much!
There is a minimums size for good handling in the more serious cameras. The E-M1 is closer in build to a D3 and its a bit bigger as a result. Compare D600 to the E-PL5 instead.
Yes, and with the E-M1 you loose the on sensor oil and dust spots that the D600 comes with!
My D600 does not have sensor oil problem.. only few bodies have. Nikkor primes are quite small in size.. of course 80-200 Nikkor is big, but also big in quality.
Fuji x-e1 with pancake fits to my coat pocket.
The point is.. Oly e-m1 does not offer any improvement in this (size) area, but IQ is worse.
then I would suggest you should not buy this camera ..
So why are you lurking at a “43/m43” rumor site? Trying to reassure you? Inferiority complex? Having a D600 or Fuji but don’t know how to handle it so you prefer loosing time on the net?
How can you say that em-1’s IQ is “worse”, have you seen any sample pic yet?
You’re a troll spraying FUD, that’s all.
So if you have a D600, why are you here? To tell everyone wha a fantastic person you are that choose a D600?
These trolls are those who are now too old to hold magnifying glasses over ants in the school playground.
Mirrorless
Here is the reality. I use Olympus equipment for professional photography. Never since the E1 came out have I had any dust or oil on the sensors. I have used a D700 once without issues. I have also retouched other photographers work using Nikon cameras. 75-80% of that work had oil on it. It is an ongoing issue Nikon have had for years. Many pros have the issue. D600 is know for it and to be honest you are very lucky not to. You are one of the very few.
Fuji Xe-1 even with the latest software upgrades have problems. A number of pro photographers have sold them or got refunds. The problems… camera is still too slow to respond when needing to take a photo, AF is still too slow, poor build quality of the actual camera body. To be fair the first two and the main issues and those issues cost pro photographers money in lost shots.
What a bunch of FUD. Nikon has not had an oil on sensor problem for years? The D600 is the only Nikon with such an issue. I’ve been using Nikon DSLRs since the D1 and the D600 is the only one with major issues. I use both M43 and Nikon, both have their pros and cons. Stop spreading misinformation.
I own a D7000 and I had oil on my sensor.
My friend, this is the m43 rumours forum. It is full of (bad) marketing sods trying to convince ignorant people to buy a largish combo with a small sensor for 2500. Do you need to know more?
Atleast we don’t run around sites for other brands, and tell people there that they are idiots for their choise, like you do. It rather looks like the bigger the sensor, the bigger the idiot.
Frank I have 100’s of Nikon D90 photos for a start, sat on a hard drive in front of me with oil on them. I also have D700 files with the same problem, plus another D90’s files again with the same problem. All of these cameras predate the D600. It’s been going on for years. Every year I go to a pro camera show and there in the same corner are Nikon technicians cleaning Nikon sensors with oil on them for free.
My D600 had the oil problem!
TWICE!
Coming from APS-C myself, I have to say that M43 does have a massive lens weight and size advantage. Obviously there are small APS-C lenses too, but you don’t compare the tiniest lens of a system to the “average size” of another. You look at the whole picture. Just take a Macro lens with you when you go hiking, plus some primes and a travel zoom, and the DSLR APS-C kit will be SIGNIFICANTLY heavier. In fact it’s such a massive difference that I will gladly accept any image quality disadvantage there might be (and even as a low light shooter I haven’t really encountered that much of a difference yet in IQ) just for much less back pain after a few hours of hiking.
” bodies are almost same sized”
Man are you kidding ? be honest ! the volume of D600 is almost twice the E-M1 volume…
welcome back troll..
If you ignore the fact that the D600 is 7.5% wider, 17% higher and 23% deeper than the E-M1, then they’re EXACTLY the same size.
You’re right, it doesn’t make any sense!
It does not make sence to compare the side of EM1 with D600 or XE1…
because of the purpose is different at all.
Dimensions..
– OM-D E-M1: 130.4 x 93.5 x 63.1mm (m43 sersor) 769340 cu mm
– Fuji x-e1: 129 x 75 x 38 mm (aps-c sensor)
– Nikon D600: 141 x 113 x 82 mm (Full Frame) 1306506 cu mm
769340 /1306506 = 0.58
close to half size
How many raw frames can the D600 buffer hold before you have to wait?
The D600 and E-M1 aren’t really the same size at all. The D600 is 0.9 cm bigger or more in every dimension. When equipped with battery and storage card, it’s nearly 12 oz heavier, as well.
That’s a substantial difference, and it’s amplified when you include lenses. There is no question that the D600 is going to be a better tool at some times than the EM-1, but all photographic equipment is a series of tradeoffs for size, weight, image quality, speed, etc. One person’s ideal tool isn’t another person’s. And that’s okay.
Comparing any single dimension is a bit misleading. Try volume:
E-m1 – 769cc
D600 – 1306cc
You were saying?
Fuji is crap. Nikon is crap. Olympus rules.
LCD “movable”…
Probably not full swiwel then :/
I was hoping for a fully articulated screen, but I guess I can live with that. Maybe I can stream to a phone via wifi, though I would expect that to be hard on battery life.
sure it is, but you turn all camera 🙂
And I thought I was the only one who squeezed seven feathers!
What is this? A lens for chickens?
“Video Full HD (1920×1080 30p, 24Mbps)” are they insane? a pro photo camera bud they totally ignored the video guys, again
There is GH3 if you are into serious video, Oly still concentrate on still at this stage.
All new pro cameras, improve in video specs, but olympus no, bad news for as.
I hope that Oly will changes someday.
Now: GH2 is enough to me
It is truly pathetic that Olly has ignored the serious video potential of their cameras.
The CRAPPEST thing is oly do 1920×1080 @60fps (and 30fps) video in their compact cameras!
http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_sh50/specifications
Yes please Olympus adding 1080 60p goes a long way towards perfection – now just add 25p as well and we are all happy – (cuz aint no one in reality tranfuring to film and projecting in cinamars at 24fps).
What’s this “video” you speak of? Is it something new? Should I try it?
Seriously, the amount of complaining about that one subject! It will be more than enough for 95% of people (recently learned about the flickering problem in 50Hz countries, bummer). If not good enough for you, sorry – maybe next time.
The price? If it’s too much, don’t buy it. That’ll teach ’em.
Too big? Same thing, don’t buy it.
Has anyone complained about the strap lugs yet? OMG! How could they do (whatever) with the strap lugs!
My prediction – I’ll be fighting a LOT of people to buy this camera.
sure, Olympus concentrates on Still Cameras. But what would it cost to integrate 24/25p and 60p?
every one, that will chose the GH3 over the E-M1 due to better Video-Specs, decreases the Return of Investment.
+1
Now, now, if the strap lugs were not a problem, with the OMD, then why did they move them up on the M1?
Maybe they just place them randomly? 🙂
I’m just waiting for the complaints that the lugs should have stayed where they were, should be angled differently, made of the same alloy that the FF monsters use, accept 1-inch thick twisted nylon rope, or automatically size and orient themselves according to the three-dimensional measurements of the registered owner.
Amazing how many people think that every m43 camera ever released has to be targeted (and tailored) toward them, their use and their budget. The camera business has NEVER worked like that, and it never will.
Could the reason of changed position be that the extended grip changes the balance of the camera? Could it be that there is no admittance of error? 🙂
lol i complained about the eyelets, as did some others, and afaik you can not remove them (well maybe with an angle grinder).
but maybe there will be some nice aftermarket guy making a 1cm thick alloy bottom plate with 2 lug holes instead. Else i am going to use my sling strap which mounts in the tripod hole.
Will i not buy because of that heck no, i like it every time i see it more… bit on the pricy side this side of the pond though…
I am always amused by amateurs who presume that implementation of better video is a simple thing. If it were, ALL cameras would be pushing Red and the top Sonys off their perch but it ain’t so.
Something that most people do not know is the huge amount of cross-licensing for features that exists in camera design and manufacture. There are always endless complaints about why can’t brand X do this when brand Y does. The fact is that in many cases the feature cited is not available because of IP issues and the inability to license that feature. This is precisely why manufacturers seem to leave off features despite the clamor for its inclusion.
It is a simple thing, and you can find it on a cheap point-and-shoot.
even on Olympus Point and shoot:
http://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/compacts/oly_sh50/specifications
1080 60p on Olys own P&S… lifes a bitch…
There is no licensing or technical limitation why they cannot do 24p/25p. It is only shortsightedness. 25p is necessary for European users. 24p is necessary for everyone worldwide who would like to A) have a cinematic look (rather than a home-video look), B) combine this footage with other cameras using the same STANDARD 24p, and C) would like footage to playback and sync properly on every device all over the world, for decades, maybe even a century to come. Ever since the birth of motion pictures, 24p has always been the standard.
It’s not that the video specs aren’t “good enough” for most people, it’s that they are simply not compatible, and for no good reason.
I’m in the market for a nice still camera that does 1080/24p video. It’s that simple, that black and white. The Oly is simply not an option due to this oversight.
Of corse if this thing cam be hacked and the video opened up like the GH cameras then WOW im in but untill then I’m still skicking with my EP1 untill the right camera gets made – it will soon, they are so close now!
I think the most frustrating problem is that the video problem is not really a hardware issue, but only a software issue that could be easily solved. Probably Olympus internally actually has better video (or at least more modes) working, and is artificially dumbing down the camera. For a Pro camera, this shouldn’t be, even if stills photography is the main focus.
They’ve increased the bit rate by 20%, ok not groundbreaking but the the E-M5 video is still very good with the IBIS turned on. I shot this two days ago on a moving boat http://vimeo.com/74044378
Checked the video and found it very interesting
I really do not understand what some people are looking for?
IBIOS is one of the greatest innovation in the field of photography
We are looking for the 24p frame rate. Video shot in 30p is ugly as dog crap.
And 25p here in PAL land.
no sorry I dont buy the 24p looks good stuff…
24p looks like crap if there is any motion – but it wins in low light as exposure for each frame can be longer – also can give a blured (but stuttery) motion if desired.
60p that looks nice – makes 24p look like shit… but loses out in low light! – Still far more representative of real vision than 24p!
I agree, I want 60p not that 24p crap
Nice video. Add some narration and it could be a very good travelogue. I’ve seen much worse on the internet.
While I think a lot of us were hoping for better video, but to me it is not a make or break deal. If I want better video, just to dabble with, I’ll just pick up a Panny body to go with the rest of my m4/3’s gear. The G6 looks nice for the price. Can never understand all this Oly vs Panny gibberish. The 2 systems complement each other and each is made better by the other. They are symbiotic yet different, competitive but supportive of each other in essence.
I shot this video while on skis: http://s1351.photobucket.com/user/An0nemu5/media/Forum/E-M5stabiskiing_zps9aae4df1.mp4.html
You can see why the video codec draws flack – dark patches that come and go – and you can see why people are clamouring for better video specs because not having decent video specs married to the 5-axis IBIS seems like a crime against humanity.
the stabilisation in the ski video is working a treat, no idea how you managed to pan whilst skiing. I have never shot video in the snow, I imagine it’s really hard for the camera to meter, the light and dark looks like the camera trying to compensate for white out. Is the blocking there in the original MOV file, or is that a product of the video compression once you edited or uploaded?
Very nice video and great use of the 5-axis stab (really impressive)!
If you hope Olympus will have soon video specs as good as Panasonic, you’re doomed to eternal frustration 😛
Obsession with specs is a waste of time. What you can put up on screen is what counts. While Oly and others may fall short of ultimate IQ of Panny the average viewer will have switched off the show because most stuff filmed is poorly done or uninteresting. Not because someone noticed a touch of moire in the background.
Total agreement!
Content is what counts, not specs.
So why are we discussing a new camera then?
A new camera on a pro level was an opportunity for Oly to fix video (even though I’m pretty sure many issues can be solved via firmware on other cameras too). They missed that opportunity. I can understand the frustration at that.
sweet…. fine details processing is something to look out for if it improves on the E5. I’m not too positive about the C-AF since ZD lens are not a speed demon to begin with. Only SWD lenses have the speed and only 3 of them has that designation and they have their fair share of misses and hisses
Looks like CAF works well. Atleast with m4/3 lenses like the 75-300!
http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12759
Massive crops at f/7.1?
SWD did nothing to help C-AF on an E3 or E5. I had just as much luck using my 300f2.8 as I did with my 50-200SWD. My question when they say that C-AF was enhanced, are they saying that C-AF was enhanced over m4/3rd or 4/3rds. If m4/3 then that’s not saying much as it basically didn’t work to begin with.
Only 37 phase detection pixels? That’s not nearly enough!
I don’t really think that, but I’m sure it will become another forumbator numbers game, just like certain posters’ ongoing (Zzzzz) obsession with sensor size…
I’ve learned to ignore all these posts. If every forumers do, I believe they’ll just die out. Remember the more you feed the healthier they get.
37 PDAF pixel could be interesting, that mean with the combinaison of these 37 pixel, how many PDAF point will we get: it’s not easy to calculate. but 37 is a number strage, coz it’s a prime number, that means in different lines on the sensor, there will be different number of PDAF point.
I think this is focus point, not pixel LOL.
Olympus use of course their own patent on PDAF, so is micro lens with different focus on maybe all green pixels, so also is very easy to made on all sensoer anyway, but only need TruePicVII of course. 😉
Typical for hybrid af. Only in the center of the sensor.
I really wanted to buy this camera, but only if it had better video. We are starting to use video in our business and having one camera for still and video is very important–don’t want to learn two different systems. Two systems more than doubles the probability of error. And we own three E-PL5’s, an E-M5, and every lens in the book.
I am still hoping for the best. I recently shot a video with the E-M5 and a Canon video camera. But that was a shot without a lot of movement. The quality form the E-M5 was better. Let’s hope that Olympus did something that is not now obvious to produce an acceptable video result.
“I squeeze seven feathers” :)))
There must be an agreement between Oly and Panny, otherwise there is no way to explain Oly’s approach to video. It’s just a very easy software thing, nothing new, something even indie programmers know how to improve. Couldn’t they at least open the firmware or offer an API so others can upgrade the video specs?
The size and weight are near perfect. True, it could be a bit smaller, but a century of engineering evolution is something you can’t ignore. I always thought the smaller SLRs of the 1970s were about right and the E-M1 is in the same neighborhood.
Small enough for being quite discrete (with a smaller lens)
Large enough for comfortable handling
Light enough for carrying during a long hike or job
Heavy enough for balancing larger lenses
interesting addendum to that watermarked japan/korean writing on the early camera pic leaks.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/6/4700702/korea-japan-island-dispute-spills-onto-camera-blogs
guys, i need confirmation if this new mft will accept directly old 4:3 lenses or do i still have to use mft:ft adapter on this camera?
You still have to use an adapter.
but any of the adaptors will work – I picked up a voltrox for £40 only thing that the new adaptor will do is be weatherproof – but the voltrox is metal and a really tight fit, so I cant see that making any difference
Don’t buy. The Voltrox usually is too short, which greatly affects wide angle lenses. Even some Oly MMF-1 have theses issues, which were fixed in the later versions.
Wow!!! A thousand euros for a 24-80mm f5.6 equivalent
What an absolute waste of money
(I won’t even bother mentioning the price of the camera – which is nearly as much as mine – for a quarter of the sensor! {amongst many other things})
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Wow
You really dont know much..I didnt know you gave that much for your coolpix
Are you dare to take photos in storm and lightenings? i dare and have.
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Let’s feed the trolls, our lovely trolls!
Feed those trolls with love and good cheer.
Send them a box of lime-jelly rolls.
And spread their bagels with nova lox schmear.
Just in case one of them’s lactose intolerant,
We should consider dairy-free treats–
So they don’t fill up with gassy accelerant–
Like candy or carrots or well-agéd meats.
Hungry for love are they, filled with jealousy,
Their arms are in pain from overweight beasts.
Never admonish their innocent heresy.
Let them join in our small sensor feasts!
We love our trolls, our darling trolls!
Reason and scolding would never cause fear.
Coat them with love, or with new Barbie dolls, or
We could bequeath them all of our gear!
Very sweet. If they feed on negativity, offer kindness. Generosity is good.
But whoa, *gear*???, for *trolls*???
Now that may be taxing the limits..
Well the “troll” is kind of right. Why all this ado? Even the pointless “poet” works for Oly, right?
Can your Camera shot at 10 fps?
Is the Monitor tiltable?
Is your Camera as fast as 0.2 sec in AF?
Is your camera as light as 500 gr. with the battery?
Is your zoom as light as 400 gr.?
Dude, I have a D600 and a D800 and a D800E.
How pathetic are you that you feel threatened by a m43 cam and need to troll around like that.
People like you are a shame for the Nikon system!
And I will buy an e-m1 and you know what? I add it to my systems because I don’t care about brands!
Nikon is crap dusty oily frontfocusing backfocusing crap.
Still no wording about whether EM1 has electronic or /silent/ shutter feature alike Panasonic G5?
Nice specs, but too large for me. I’ll wait until that sensor trickles down to PEN series.
unless they introduced some revolutionary sensor (or foveon / bayer) this is another old wine new bottle
and expensive new bottle.
photos from APS-C and FF still look better than the M/4/3rds. M 4/3rds is about being compact or having superior video/
Guys we have a new guru here!
Hey at least I use my name snarky anonymous
IMHO these cameras are getting too big for the M 4/3rds concept.
Big?! It’s almost the size of E-m5 plus vertical grip, you can’t say it’s so big to be compared to a dslr camera body.
If you want to use heavier lenses as Voigties 0.95 you need a better grip, that’s the same with 43 lenses.
If you shoot with 12 or 17 or 45 or whatever little lens, you can still try to put it in your pocket.
There are many different bodies in this system (we should appreciate it!), buying this E-m1 is not mandatory at all.
The more choices, the better.
That’s too big, especially with that zoom. It’s FF big and FF expensive.
Again, you don’t have to buy it. There are PENs and new GX7 if you need a small combination. Beware, voigtländer lens is heavier than usual, and your fingers will feel it without a better grip.
http://camerasize.com/compare/#289,469
http://camerasize.com/compare/#289,479
Check out the view from the top. You’ll have to imagine the grip on the E-M1, but otherwise it is pretty close to the E-M5. E-M5 is also a camera that needs to be seen in person for one to appreciate why so many people complain about it being too small.
Ok. Captain obvious. There are over a dozen m43 smaller cameras for you. Take your pick.
>photos from APS-C and FF still look better than the M/4/3rds
I’m way over my moderation limit, but had to point something out… 🙂
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/895/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/883/(brand2)/Olympus
Nice comparison choice, a better one would have been the canon 7D (their supposedly best APS-C camera). It still loses out to the EP5 XD
Only when you go to their smallest FF the 6D till it beats the EP5. 82 vs 72 DXO score. Mind you not because it has better dynamic range, just better ISO capability and ever so slightly more colour bit depth.
Yep cherry picking cameras really convinces the best APS or FF sensors comfortably outperform the best mFT has to offer
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/883|0/%28brand%29/Olympus/%28appareil2%29/865|0/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28appareil3%29/792|0/%28brand3%29/Nikon
In fact the old Sony 16mp APS sensor in the D7000/K5 et al still does better than the best mFT has. I added in the E-P3 sensor as apparently selecting random sensors is cool for comparison
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/883|0/%28brand%29/Olympus/%28appareil2%29/724|0/%28brand2%29/Olympus/%28appareil3%29/680|0/%28brand3%29/Nikon
Admin: now that we know all about the EM1, please tell us about the new Panasonic mini. Thanks
Quite possibly my next camera right there. Upgrade from my E-P3, replacement of my “old” E620.
Nikon Full Frame purchase delayed indefinitely.
1. I hope there will be a E-M6 kit with 12-40mm.
2. I hope the specs of 40-150 will be revealed tomorrow!
Movies – disappointed (is it possible to add 25/50 by update of firmware?)
Size – I prefer small m43, but OK (disappointed lack of flash)
the rest- Ok
“Movies – disappointed (is it possible to add 25/50 by update of firmware?)”
maybe Russians hack M1
Possible, though higly unlikely. Can’t remember if Oly ever delivered new features in firmware…
Hope to test the camera @ Jessops with 14-35 in october…
So angry at this camera and its lack of 24p. Screw you Olympus. You dangled the perfect camera in front of me and took it away before you even announced it.
No kidding…
Maybe Vitaly can develop a 24P hack in due time?
With 37 PDAF pixels , the following will be a possiblily:
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if all pixels are in 45/90 degrees direction of the others, so that will be 24 point cross PDAF point.
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Very interesting, though having a bit of trouble visualizing how these points would be organized and distributed. We’ll find out soon enough what Olympus did–there may be various arrangements they could have used.
Specs look good. Think the price is still a bit high. My Kids and wife wille love it. A robust speedy point and shoot with exces to advance setting. They will like that its somewhat larger then the em5 because they thought that was to small for normal handling.
Does Olympus still sells gear with International warranty like he used to?
Now olympus will correct ca in camera like panasonic. What will the oly fantard defense squad say after threads and threads of saying this degrades image quality?
Wheres stig, ross, and the assortment of fangirls now that its confirmed that the camera is as wide and tall as the gh3?
More backpedaling to do! Backpedal fanbgirls baaaackpedal for your life!
I cant wait for the excuses
like I say yesterday when you were different girl name
EM1 is smaller and lighter than GH3
Its smaller? Its as tall and wide! When will you accept it? Baaaackpedal! And unlike the fantards I dont need another name to tell you what I have to.
GH3 132.9 x 93.4 x 82.0 mm = 1017854 cu mm
EM1 130.4 x 93.5 x 63.1mm = 769340 cu mm
1017854 / 769340 = 1.32
so different girl, smaller
pwned 🙂
Thanks Heinz. This shows the E-M1 is still smaller than the GH3 & not larger like some kept insisting. Also, to the critics, this was never meant to be a ‘pocket’ model & looks to be well designed to be the ‘Pro’ camera that will handle 4/3’s lenses as well as M4/3’s lenses. If the critics can’t understand that, then that’s their problem as the E-M1 would be wasted in their hands. The saying, “like pearls before swine” would ring true here. 😉
Yes they will correct ca for those who use Pannys crap lenses and the camera is still a bit smaller than GH-3, not much, but still, so where is your excuse, true lamer?
Yes, smaller, lighter, more durable, better looking, 1/8000s, no A-A and with improved tracking due to the PDAF. If you a photographer that’s clearly a better tool.
You cant read? Where is it smaller? Its as tall and wide. And the ca correction was with pana in mind? Yeah right. Its probably for the 12-40. The angrier you get, the more it sounds like im right.
The GH3 is 133x93x82, according to dpreview.
The E-M5 is 122x89x43, same source
The E-M1 is 130.4×93.5×63.1, above
If the leaked numbers are true, there is no doubt that the GH3 is the largest camera.
Panny crap lenses, of course ! the 20 mm, 25 mm, 7-14 mm, 12-35 mm and 35-100 mm are so crap ! every reviews and every user agree with you, it is so bad that it outresolves the 16 MP sensor…
You have some serious problems, son.
I do, im allergic to fantardism.
Bah, he’s just a unsecure Panyslut like his friend giulio sicosomething.
Hmmm… Don’t we all want all cameras to have all features? The GX7 just acquired IBIS, for instance, after years of bickering here.
And even if it’s “useless” to us, extra features are nice to have just in case. There are some interesting work on Flickr using “art” filters, for instance, and I ran into a situation the other day where I had to use the video mode.
Its not about that, its about the endless bickering and self righteousness here for years that oly is superior because they dont correct ca in camera, but now that they do it suddenly is “a good feature”. Hipocratcy at its best. They can insult me all they want, but Its backpedaling whether they admit it or not
So, at what point would this feuding end? Do you think we’d ever all “get along”?
I’m not particularly loyal to either brand, but I am fond of the system, and inclined to think their fortunes would rise and fall together. (Well, Panasonic as a whole would not suffer much if µ43 dies, but, still, we’re not really rooting for the entire conglomerate formerly known as Matsushita, are we?)
Do you suffer from Asperger’s syndrome by any chance? Or is it mild OCD?
You have a point, I suppose (about automatic CA correction that is), but why do you have to repeat it endlessly? I’m more than willing to admit that the E-M1 is nothing more than a crippled imitation of the GH3 if it makes you happy. There you go: it’s an overpriced piece of shit with poor video features and a tiny sensor (oh, sorry, wrong troll). Now please stop contaminating this discussion with your foul language.
True homer, there will always be people blinded by Oly’s light. And by Pana’s light. I find stupid this argument: considering a system like it was a football championship is nonsense.
Personally I don’t care at all about my gear brand, as long as it serves my purpose.
+1 Yes. Brand names are meaningless. It is what the particular camera allows the photographer to do that matters. And because every photographer is unique in their own way, they must find the camera that best matches their need.
Cameras are a lot like gloves. There are different size and shapes of hands and different materials used in the making. No one size or type fits all. So it likewise there is a large choice in cameras because no one fits every person or purpose. Each photographer must find that which fits them best and empowers them to their best work. In the end it is the image, not the technology or the pixels that matter.
No 24p. Useless for video, alas.
24p is for wannabe kubrick directors… 25p, 30p, 50p and 60p these are realy the modes needed 24p is not a modern or common format. and i bet given a lift on technological restrictions film and the films of old would have used faster frame rates… mostly…
Any one of your resources told you about if the CA-F will work with 4/3 lenses? or any new converter to allow it?
the specifications look great but I have 150mm F2 which I still dream to use it with CA-F on m4/3 body. that is why I didn’t buy anything after EP-2 :/
New and new, the is MMF1(Silver), MMF2(Black) and MMF3(Black and Sealed)
The 12-40 is sweet really like the customisable Ln button… hopefully will get a chance to buy it when I’m in japan in Oct
so any info re: 1) is Flash Xsync rate 1/320 like EP5 or back to 1/250 like EM5 and 2) does it have electronic (silent) shutter feature?????
Is the EVF slower? If I do the math, .029 second lag means a refresh every .029 seconds? 1/.029 = 34.48 frames per second? That seems like poorer performance. Can that be right?!
@RobertL: I read “lag” as different from refresh rate. (I think) it could have a high refresh rate, and still have a lag of 1/30 second, since the electronic processing may delay the image getting to screen. Meanwhile the screen could be refreshing at a crisp 100 Hz rate. So I’m not sure the lag relates directly to refresh rate.
(I am open to correction, though.)
Okay. Being a hardware engineer, I commonly work with the metrics of “latency” and “frequency”. Sometimes we sacrifice latency to get the higher frequencies. Imagine two floorplans of a home. One has one large room and only one person can be in any given room at a time. If there is only one room, then the person has to travel all the way to the exit on the other side of the house before leaving. He has to travel a long distance before the next person can enter. Now imagine the house is split into many rooms. As each person enters, he only needs to walk a few step to go into the next room (Star-Trek style doors), allowing someone else to enter behind him. Overall, it will take each person a little longer to get across the house, but one the first person makes his way to the other side, the subsequent people will be exiting at a faster rate than compared to when there was one large room.
Make sense? 🙂
LOL, that only shows you lack of experience with m4/3 cameras. That also used to be one of the main contentions of the clueless, grumpy 4/3 ers never available to give up their film-like dSLR.
I can witness that even with a refresh rate of 30 MHz, the E-M5 viewing is instant. It can also be set at 60 MHz for action. There is no way you would experiment a gap in viewing, except if you want to view something else, that is a PAST shot image.
Human Eye, and this has been discovered by Cinema long ago, cannot detect movement past 1/30 th of the second, and yet people still blabber about the speed of light of their OVF. Give them rest, and a suitable place of burial.
“that only shows you lack of experience with m4/3 cameras.”
-Says the guy who only shoots in Jpeg… HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Stop.. Please.
Mr ALLCAPS
Post a link to a pic you have taken.
amalric,
Thanks for the testimony experience that is helpful. The experience I draw on is from looking at recorded video at 30fps or 60fps and also looking at LCD’s with various refresh rates. There are some interactions between video compression algorithms that contribute to motion artifacts. They record changes between frames in their video compression algorithms rather than transmitting the actual data in every frame. So the “changes” can look a little funny to the eye if they are not accurate. And the higher refresh rates helps resolve some of the technology issues there.
The “lag” of 0.029 sec refers to, if my guess is right, the delay in updating the image as seen in the viewfinder, e.g., when viewing a moving subject.
A long delay gives the appearance of “ghosting” which plagued early EVFs, but current EVFs don’t have much problem with this. I think 0.029 sec lag won’t be noticed in normal use.
Another issue is the “blackout” when image is captured, but most seem to consider it no worse than in a DSLR, at least not many complaints. Not sure what specs are on that.
> The “lag” of 0.029 sec refers to, if my guess is right, the
> delay in updating the image as seen in the viewfinder, e.g.,
> when viewing a moving subject.
No, it is the delay between when something Actually happens and when it appears on the screen.
> A long delay gives the appearance of “ghosting” which plagued
> early EVFs, but current EVFs don’t have much problem with this.
Here, you are talking about the refresh rate. The refreash RATE could be 1,000,000 times per second – no ghosting. The “delay” could still be 2 seconds if the processing is slow enough.
I think 0.029 sec lag won’t be noticed in normal use.
(We agree on that).
“.029 second lag means a refresh every .029 seconds?”
No.
I think you are mixing up lag with refresh rate. Lag means how long before events perceived directly with eye at the speed of light can be viewed at the EVF.
So one seeing the event directly would see it .029 seconds faster than one who sees it through the EVF, it does not matter if the EVF is refreshed 1000 times a second, it is that just an event seen outside the EVF would be seen in the EVF .029 seconds later.
As expressed by others, the video specs are a bit of a let down.
But, also as mentioned, Panasonic has the video…I own a GH3 and a GH2, so I have the video element covered.
However, I’ll still buy the OM1 as a replacement for my E-5, which has over 300k shutter actuations on it. I need an Olympus body to control my SHG 4/3 lenses.
On a side note, I’ve always liked the RAW images of Olympus, over the Panasonic RAW images. Oly colors and highlights look better. But for some odd reason, the Panasonic video quality works great. The Panasonic video quality looks like Olympus still quality. But the Panasonic RAW and JPG files don’t. Seems odd, but it makes me think that a manufacturer must make a decision to optimize for either video or stills. IF optimizing compromises are the case, that might explain the thought process behind the cameras.
Yet the majority of people posting here sings it praises…
Still, Talking good about a camera, won’t sell it. And there’s too many people saying “I’m buying it” -That WON’T.
And at that price, you’re better off staying with the camera you’re using now.
Unless, you have a stash of FT lenses. Other than that, you’re better off with a Full Frame DSLR for that price.
“One Beautiful System”?? Yeah right. more like “Olympus Bull S#!T”
Not if they want a much smaller system which, even with this camera, it still is. If they still want even smaller, plenty of m43 bodies to choose from.
Full Frame is a different beast, with pros and cons.
I still love how this camera is bringing out all the trolls.
> I still love how this camera is bringing out all the trolls.
Must mean Oly did something right.
For me, the proper 43 support is critical and it’s a first. Though I suspect it will trickle down to lower end models in the future.
Then it’s all the key specs from the E-P5 transfered to that camera and that we know the lower end models won’t get (1/8000 shutter, 5-axis IBIS, VF4 built-in…).
and finally it’s presented in an ergonomically superior package than the E-M5 (grip and better buttons).
It’s not perfect (no built-in flash, only tilty screen, no dual SD card slots), but it ticks most of my boxes to justify the upgrade.
I will buy it’ because I love my 43 lens.
Most people visit this site because they’re interested in (m)43 system. It’s easier to find a FF camera owner who does not know what a micro four third camera is, than the contrary.
I appreciate free help, but in this case your comment is not helping anyone, since we all know what we don’t want (a bulky heavy combo camera/lens).
Having said so, what’s your personal problem with this system?
I’d like a serious answer, I’m not making fun of you.
(Speaking of free advices: if you prefer CaNikon you can write constructive comments on their rumor sites)
No sir, a FF cam with a 24-85 F4.5 zoom is cheaper, and has a comparable size. I do like some Oly usability tricks, like the quick focus at my fingertip, but this is not the small system I am looking for – yet.
With that logic you might as well be telling followers of a fuel-efficiency blob to buy SUV’s. Yes, they’re wonderful – but they don’t pass the FIRST TEST, as small as possible for…the…job.
Some used to complain about the ergonomics of the “too small” m43 cameras. Now that they’re are bringing out largER ones (by no means the size of the FF monsters), some are complaining about THAT. Maybe we hit the perfect spot, huh?
It’s not like they discontinued all the smaller m43 bodies, and announced that this will be the smallest size available from now now…
blob -> blog. 🙂
So does the M1 body include a 4/3 adapter?
30fps only?
Shame on you Oly!
8 fps in 7D > 7 fps in 70D ($1,200) > 6.5 fps = FAIL @ $1,400.
“chromatic aberration correction”
Finally! Now, backport the code to TruePic VI in E-M5!
The processing power needs to be there too & the E-M1 possibly has greater processing power than the E-M5. Remember, the E-M5 is an enthusiasts model while the E-M1 is supposed to be a professional level body.
E-M1 rules all. Best m4/3 camera ever made. M.Zuiko 12-40 f/2.8 PRO is already No.1 m4/3 lens. Tests and reviews will confirm. Good day for m4/3. Good for 4/3 users. Enjoy Zuiko quality.