These could be the specs of the next High End OMD camera. As i told you before this camera will also replace the Olympus E-5 Four Thirds camera. It’s the first MFT camera having 100% support of FT lenses. Body only is expected to cost around 1500 Euro/Dollars.
- New DSLR type grip
- 16MP sensor
- 81 AF target points
- 10 fps
- Built-in Wi-Fi
- Flash sync speed: 1/320s
- ISO range: 200-25600
- Shutter speed: 1/8000s-60s
- 3″ tiltable TFT LCD touch screen
- EVF with 2,360,000 pixels
- Micro Four Thirds mount only (not a hybrid mount)
- Weight: 430g | 0.9Ib
- Dimensions (WxHxD): 122mm × 68mm × 37mm | 4.8″ × 2.7″ × 1.5″
I now have been told that there will be an extra MFT to FT mount adapter for the camera. The term hybrid camera is referred to his ability to 100% support both MFT and FT lenses. The camera will be announced the second week of September!
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I called the not hybrid mount thing. 🙂 “81 target points” does sound like PDAF.
So did a lot of others… The fact is, it would be too impractical to add bulk and sophistication to a device that placates to old technology. Instead, an adapter would more than suffice and be the far simpler solution to legacy users. It seems like the biggest improvements to this model is the larger and (hopefully) more ergonomic grip and hybrid PDAF/CDAF autofocusing. I know a sensor upgrade would be the dream of many, but Olympus’s track record doesn’t bode well this early since the E-M5’s initial introduction.
I’m happy with the current sensor – it’s still as good as it gets for m43. What totally sucks are the 16:9 low res screens on e-pm2 and e-pl5. If you shoot 4:3 you get a 2 inch image.
Not to mention Oly still haven’t done CA reduction in the bodies and numerous other useful things like sweep panorama and auto HDR.
+1000
I think the 16:9 screens on the olympus pens is SO STUPID! What were they thinking?
I will never buy a camera that gives me such a small VF Image when shooting 4:3
Why not, the 70D has 20 million phase detect pixels.
The absence of PDAF is far less significant as CDAF is improving rapidly. Moreover CDAF eliminates the need for micro adjustment. Also, the current OM-D has very snappy AF and falls short only in the most extreme action situations.
On sensor PDAF does not require MAF either, the problem with PDAF on DSLRs is that they use a completely separate PDAF sensor to do the PDAF, which bring about all sorts of calibration issues between the lens, imagine sensor, and PDAF sensor.
ISO range: 200-25600
I guess there is also an option for low ISO like the E-P5?
I too think that is surprising, surely it will have a cut ISO of 100. But really what I want to know is Video specs please, something close to GH3 would be very appreciated with the 5-axis goodness. The GX-7 is only 2 axis.
5 axis is for sure. It’s OMD series. I just want to know more information regarding to the support of FT lens. How the new camera support the FT lens is more important. Is it the camera or the new adapter!
Admin says: MFT mount. So it’s still MFT camera. If it support FT (100% support with fast AF speed), it’s the new technology inside the camera or just the adapter? I hope the adapter plays the role. Otherwise after this one, we need another special camera years later!
Now it looks like FT camera with MFT adapter. Can’t wait to see the real camera
?????
This way is never possible!! An adapter cannot reduce the distance to sensor!
Chris..I was confused too, as per admin’s paragraph under the specs above…but if you read the specs themselves one of the lines says MFT Mount only….so there has to be an adapter to mount an FT lens to the MFT body. (I read only the paragraph at first and misunderstood the situation, too).
Why is being in the adapter better? Even in the adapter, you need a ‘special’ camera to manage whether it or the adapter does autofocusing. If it is on-sensor pdaf, and you use it on all cameras going forward, you don’t have to have special camera, plus (maybe) you can use pdaf for continuous af with mft lenses….
If this really is the spec for the new replacement of the E5, then I would say a very sad goodbye to Olympus. I’ve stuck with them since 2006 and they have only just started to get to grips with image noise. A recent purchase of a Fuji X series blew me away with image quality! I was looking forward to a new DSLR with the sensor of the OMD or better. FT lenses are big, and would look and probably feel awkward on such a small camera. Olympus have not looked after original Four Thirds customers. I do think the OMD and the new camera look very good though, but not for FT users. Just my opinion guys, sorry.
I’m not sure why you would be surprised as all new sensors are being produced with higher sensitivity which raises the base ISO as the market expects high ISO. I don’t think there are many that would buy 100-1600 sensors now. 😉
Matt Jones, I agree with you 100%. The E-M5 already takes fine pictures, the greatest advance can be made on the video side. Give me GH3 specs with 5 axis IBIS. Everyone I know clamors for such a thing. If Olympus lets me down, I can only hope the Sony FF mirrorless will have decent video specs.
+1000
200 ISO is the nominal sensitivity of the sensors : there’s no 100 ISO reality, it’s only a firmware artifice.
supposed to be weather-sealed?
lack:
– 1/500 w/FL600R
– 100 iso native
– what about video?
– af-c improved or not with mZD lenses?
After reading this almost no details spec I will not spend 1500 on this camera unless it has video mode much much more improved, even better (bigger body) IBIS OR at least 1 EV noise improvement in orf not jpg of course, preferably on shadows side.
Key question now: video spec?
Thanks admin, I’m buying CV42,5mm instead.
Why would you make a purchasing decision based on the above rumour information (as good as it is that admin gets). You can take a gamble & decide now, but most rational people would wait for some firm specs to be known first.
Well, I’m frustrated and tired waiting and waiting for a decent video quality with 5 axis IBIS body. This IBIS is made for movies, my lenses.
I love E-M5 but I hate its video engine, will wait for official spec of course.
Haha… yeah… and they put a video motor in the 12-50 just to tease us.
guess the next video optimized 5 axis ibis camera will be: SONY
its still early, dont flame or argue full spec will be out in no time.
I know, that’s why I wrote after reading this spec. Still hope for todays video spec.
BTW I’m in PAL, wonder if Olympus knows where Europe is and what 50Hz mean 😉
Those dimensions have to be off – the width is pretty close to the E-M5, but the height is 1″ shorter, and 1.5″ doesn’t seem deep enough to sport a DSLR-style grip (the E-M5 with grip is between 2.25″ and 2.5″).
If the trickery is in the adapter I wonder if it will fully functional with the em5 and other micro 43 bodies?
The ‘DSLR-style grip’will be optional and expensive.
Those are the dimensions of the E-P5! Either these dimensions are a bad guess or the 4/3’s adapter includes the EVF or something like that? ?????
OMD Dimensions 122 x 89 x 43 mm (4.8 x 3.5 x 1.69″)
so the dimensions posted above have to be an error…they are not possible.
well…if those dimension are correct then this camera is going to be a rangefinder style camera like the EP-5…I really don’t see that as that would not be a good design for a FT camera…but everyone has mentioned it here extensively and admin is sticking with those stats…so you have to wonder.
16 mp really…and same size of my Ep-5.
That’s sound more like a cheap om-5…
Sounds also like a cheaper version of E-M5 to me, also the name makes sens in that case.
The weight is the same with additional gripspace.
Maybe the admin is playing with us 😉 …. I really hope so
If it’s 68mm high, there’s no way it’s DSLR (E-M5) shaped. 122mm × 68mm × 37mm are dimensions of a rangefinder shaped camera! ISO 100 would be welcome as well…
Oooh… Good observation. It also says “DSLR-type grip” not “DLSR shape.”
The rumoured dimensions are incorrect. It will be shaped like the E-M5.
That’s FT4 down the drain, then…
Admin, any news on the low end OMD ?
Oly really needs to have a real tethering app. Broken record.
Just some guesses here….
This camera is nothing more than a buffed EM5. Yep, it’s got 1/8000, and the VF-4 viewfinder, and phase-detect focusing, but that’s about it. IQ will be absolutely no different from the EM5, EP5, EPL5, or even EPM2. Think the goodies of the EP5 tossed into the EM5, and that’s about it.
The sensor will be new, in that the phase detect system will be onboard, but this is nothing new in the world of cameras: several Sony cameras already have this, as do all the Nikon 1’s, as does the Canon EOS-M, and the Canon 70D, and the Samsung NX300, and the Fuji X100S, and the…..well, you get the picture. This is NOT new tech, as a matter of fact, Olympus is fairly late to the game here. It’s not big deal.
So, for the privilege of FINALLY have a camera with phase detect focusing, Olympus fan-boys can pay Oly a whopping $1500, even though the tech is no different from that on the Sony NEX-6, a camera going for about $650 body only.
So what do the 4/3 users get out of this? A free Olympus MMF-3 adapter! Woo-hoo! Like they don’t have one already!
Such a bargain for $1500!!!! I’ll take three.
– Olympius
Sorry but you dont get it right.
On sensor PDAF is used by other companies ok. Nothing new.
Is it possible to use a FT lense on any of this cameras? I think no.
Do I get lenses for these cameras which have a similar performance and focal length range like the FT 12-60 and 50-200? I think no or I have to spend a lot.
Do I want to use FT lenses in future? Yes!
then it looks like a trap. Oly developed FT, we invested money into lens , like me, 12 60 , 50 200, 25 1.4, 90 250. Then FT dead. After that, it offered me something around $1500 to let me keep use FT lens. Should I say thanks or just sell all FT lens then move to another system?
Hey come on, this is Olympus. Why do you think the adapter will be free?
Good point!…but it’s the hood for the adapter where Oly will really make their money! 🙂
Nah. JJC will come to the rescue & make one cheaply. 🙂
The dimensions are almost exactly the same as the E-P5 (only 1 mm lower). This isn’t very likely, is it?
Needs a full tilt and swivel LCD otherwise I’ll be reconsidering my options 🙁
Yes if Olympus here come by only an tilt screen, so even the first FT camera by live view E-330 i hadd, so is not this realy serious.
But this also an combination camera for both lens systems.
Yes. Full tilt and swivel like the E5, which is very useable.
Tilt & Swivel is kinda to become useless, if you have wireless and Near Field Communication in camera. You can use your phone or tablet for this purpose, which is tilt, swivel, and even detachable…
Sure? I don’t think so.
I use my screen also in the heavy rain.
Also the battery problem @ camera, smarthphone (tablet) + wifi.
Going to mFT or FT and carrying the whole studio equipment with me? No thanks – only for special sessions like macro, there is a tablet awesome.
Though I would like to have smartphone control, tilt & swivel is much better in many cases than framing with a smartphone. Think about handheld. It would be very difficult to take a photo with a phone in one hand and a camera in the other.
I also imagine there is a live view lag and a shutter lag from using the phone to frame and trip the shutter.
Tropical has got to your brain. Its a camera not a bl00dy phone attachment.
Both the GH3 and the G6 have swivel screens….as a matter of fact, every Lumix “G” camera since the G1 and every “GH” since the GH1 has had swivel screens.
It’s for that very reason why I might find myself owning an GH3 someday…
But you’re right, that is a great little feature, something I use quite a bit on my cameras have it, and I find I miss it quite a bit on the couple of cameras I have that don’t have it.
– Olympius
Like GX7 specs
gx7 review if u r interested
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-lumix-dmc-gx7-expert-review-22581
As I mentioned before this is NOT a 4/3 camera. Meaning that the poor Boat People, might as well download the E-M5 Manual and strt to learn what they can do with a mirrorless camera. Which is infinitely better than their mouldy dSLR.
And start checking how fat is their piggy bank, since they’ll need an infinite number of accessories, in addition to the $ 1500!
Having said that the main data we miss is: has the adapter PDAF sensors in it (can it be used with other cameras too) or does the E-M1 have a different sensor. Please send spies or ask the NSA about it. 🙂
“has the adapter PDAF sensors in it (can it be used with other cameras too) or does the E-M1 have a different sensor.”
I guess they’re on a chip. If it was in adapter it would get dirty – read unusable, unable to AF – very quickly.
Probably pdaf will be compatible with next bodies PL7, PM3, etc.
Just my 0,02.
bring on the EPL7 & EPM3
oh and the entry OMD
I just hope it’s bigger then the little toy like girlie cameras and more like a 4/3 DSLR to better balance the big SHG’s
Isn’t there a dude who posts here called “Adaptor or Die”. Which sums up the situation for 4/3s.
A new adaptor.
LOL!
Does he have special info from Snowden? That would be hot.
Terrible
These are E-P5 plus VF-4 specs. Size as E-P5, weight a LOT LESS than present OM-D with landscape grip. Someone is having fun feeding this stuff…
-p-
Pekka can you ask Olympus if you can confirm “that other” body, please 😉
How about video mode spec – different then P5 or not?
BTW. Have you seen CV 42,5mm f/0,95mm yet?
Thanks.
Didn’t you realise that this is the OTHER Pekka, that Olympus ignores? 🙂
I did not 🙂
Yes, but he appears to have real facts here. 😉
I have been away from all new stuff and having summer holiday for two months, if a retired person can have holidays… Anyway, back to town and blogging and lecturing and such now. Haven’t tried CV 42,5mm yet, but I will. Also contacted yesterday Sony to get RX1R plus EVF (FDA-EV1MK) to test. And I’m starting to update my Lightroom book to include Lightroom 5. Hopefully these rumors about new Olympus cameras are wrong. Would be difficult to get anything more included in my schedules…
-p-
@Pekka Pekka
…ah OK can we have the real specs 🙂
Fake man strike fear into the heart of 43rumor.
So it´s essentially a e-P5 with VF-4 in a OMD body with the large grip. Damn it, I should have bought the e-P5.
… I think the EP5 is still available 😉
perhaps the 43/m43 adaptor is a something special in terms of AF speed?
1/8000
10fps
…. these are not exactly reasons to switch from an EM5 are they?
dSLR shape – so its not an olde hasselblad modular thing then
M for modular?
if the size is right from the above then 43 lens are gonna feel a bit bulky big?
mmmm, very odd!
Those of us that shoot wide open with the available astounding primes demand 1/8000.
that depends, if you regularly shoot in bright environment, yes
But since i prefer diffuse light,1/4000 is most of the time more then enough.
more then != more than
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Awesome !!
So the body will be smaller then the OM-D E-M5.
Let’s see how the body fits to the FT optics.
Or how to carry the 50-200 SWD with the new OMD in the hand.
slightly bigger. not smaller.
E-M1: 122mm x 68mm x 37mm
E-M5: 121mm x 89,6mm x 41,9mm
Admin,
the dimensions of OM-D EM5 are 122 x 89 x 43 mm (4.8 x 3.5 x 1.69″).
The above specification(for new OM-F pro) shows 122mm × 68mm × 37mm | 4.8″ × 2.7″ × 1.5″. So I think that dimensions(for new OM-F pro) in your rumor are invalid!!!
the grip is much bigger which makes overall volume bigger.
But what about the VF. The height is like RF camera. If the new OM-D has similar shape with VF on top in the middle of the camera 68mm is not enough – more like e-p5. Do you mean that evf is removable???
if the dimensions are correct, i was thinking about that too: The EVF being a seperate part, but different then the current VF modules.
Maybe its the new NEX7 with mFT mount and mFT sensor 😀
It saves costs if they use the body together with Sony :X (hopefully not ..)
If you mean that it could make use of separate OVF and EVF modules it would make little sense. The VF-4 is said to be as big as a FF one. You could never make such a big EVF.
Also, remeber that this belongs to the OM-D series, so it makes good sense that it will be dSLR like.
In fact the shape, like the GH series, seems made to please those coming from dSLR.
smaller then != smaller than
So essentially you use the camera by mounting m4/3 lenses directly, and when you need a 4/3 lens you use the adapter, and perhaps an add on grip?
I can see 4/3 diehards weeping bitter tears. They had thought it was the opposite: a 4/3 camera, with sliding mount/sensor in the distant case they needed one of those crappy m4/3 lenses.
BTW it will be interesting to see if 4/3 lenses AF as fast as the despised mirrorless glass. Or if they are still slower – as they were years ago, even on 4/3 bodies.
I dont care if its an adapter or not, I care if AF speed for the 12-60, 50 and 50-200 is acceptable.
The AF speed on 50-200 SWD on E-P5 is already faster than that on E-1 and E-300
There’s gotta be some more groundbreaking information than this.
The specs are bullshit. It´s just falesly written of the specs of the E-P5. That´s the reason why we don´t get to know anything about the pdaf support.
This just sounds like a standard incremental upgrade to the OMD. Welcome, but not worth paying $1500 for. It should be priced at the same price the EM5 was when first released.
This sucks… I been waiting like crazy and thats it. Duh..
Nonsense. Someone is having a go.
No built in flash?
Why is anybody talking about 14bits proccesing color? The 12bits makes the actual OMD EM-5 lower camera than others.
the priority should Improve de EVF, 14bits and WIFI, to make video I will buy the new Blackmagic with the new price.
Nope, Blackmagic doesn’t have IBIS. I could care less about WIFI and I’ve never used the EVF on the E-M5 so that’s worthless to me too. I’ll grant you these are incremental improvements, but nothing like real video would be. The E-M5 already takes great photos, it’s video it needs help on.
+1 request for 14 bit
Does not need 14 bits with such small pixels. 14 or even 16 bits are often just a gimmick.
+1 overall.
But with one exception: the most common use of 14/16bit RAWs is to accommodate the noise suppression/etc which are performed already during the read-out by hardware. For as long as Oly doesn’t do anything like that, 12bit might be enough (for now).
Otherwise, I haven’t head anything about Canon, but Samsung and Nikon both most certainly retrieve 12bit worth of information from the sensor. People actually counted number of different RAW pixel values, and they almost always limited by 4000 (what 12 bits of info is). Sammy later reverted to RAWs with 12bits to make RAWs smaller, while in case of Nikon, the hardware tweaks of the IQ during read-out still necessitate the 14bits RAWs.
P.S. Though, now that I think about it, the bitness of RAWs – 12/14/16 buts – hasn’t changed for quite some time. But sensors keep improving. I wouldn’t be surprised if some vendor on a higher-end model would make a jump to 16-20 bit RAWs.
That price, along with the fact that i (nor most oyher people out there) own 4/3 glass pretty much condemns this camera a failure before its even released. Oh, and word to olympus, its about time you produce a decent camera with evf and flash built in!!!
Nothing is more frustrating that the constant option of one or the other! My whole reason for choosing m4/3 was itd portability combined with image quality. Oly just havent delivered these two in a cohesive rnough package for me to justify buying one of their bodies….
I don´t have a technical condition to know about the differences and if need it. What I know is that for me and so many others Olympus in 200ISO is giving a dirty black from RaW and reading on the Internet about, http://www.xatakafoto.com/guias/ficheros-raw-de-12-bits-vs-14-bits-donde-esta-la-diferencia is clear to me, maybe Im wrong, that the problem is the 12bits that make my files dirty than Nikon D3, the rest is superb.
🙂
Believe it or not, but along with this camera Olympus is going to release new 4/3 to micro4/3 adapter mmf-4 which will be compatible with this camera and following models and give full 4/3 support.
There are changes both in body and in new adapter to have fully pdaf support.
All future micro 4/3 bodies will have same compatibility build-in (work with mmf-3 and mmf-4) Mount and whole camera is micro 4/3 as admin said.
Adapter will not be included in the set!
It is separate buy of around 200 euro.
Bring PDAF and decent Video or go home Oly.
If the is an PDAF sensor need we not an new adapter, we can use MMF-2 or MMF-3 also if new tech is in camera. No i think the is new adapter (MMF-4) so give AF on old FT lens, but maybe the need more pins in mount on E-M1.
For me who shoot video 99.8% of the time its totaly fine if its just a minor upgrade to my E-M5.
If it has 25p and a little higher bitrate I would preorder it for 2500$ no questions asked, even if it only came in pink and couldnt take stills at all.
I want a 5-axis hand held camera with good IQ and m4/3 mount moore than anything, that plus the two cameras i already have would make my kit the ultimate indie setup for a “one man band”.
So far it looks like they put e-p5 specs plus evf plus weather sealing into the em1 body..mmhh
Can’t wait to get more info on the “new” sensor. Any details yet admin?
Current EM-5
size 122x89x43
425g
16Mpix
ISO range: 200-25600
35 AF target points
9 fps
Flash sync speed: 1/250s
Shutter speed: 1/4000s-60s
EVF with 1,440,000 pixels
romored EM-1
size 122x68x37 ( 68mm vs 89mm – no hump?)
430g
+ new type of grip
16Mpix
ISO range: 200-25600
81 AF target points
10 fps
Flash sync speed: 1/320s
Shutter speed: 1/8000s-60s
EVF with 2,360,000 pixels
+ Wi-Fi
+ 4/3 AF support with adapter
Questions:
– is there in-build flash?
– is there significant improvement in IQ?
– is there significant improvement in AF with MFT lenses? (I don’t care about old hughe FT lenses)
– is there significant improvment in movies?
E-P5 dimensions: 122.3×68.9×37.2 mm
It’s not very reasonable that it comes a bigger body with only 5g extra.
I think 5g can be havy for many.
Well, if 5g is very heavy, thier apple will too heavy a hill that makes they die.
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Look at the spec of E-P5, I think it’s a TF0, just look at the size:
E-P5 dimensions: 122.3×68.9×37.2 mm
This is saying that it will have all the latest features already in the E-P5, plus PDAF, plus the ability to use 4/3 lenses with reasonable AF performance after mounting the adapter. And some minor improvements like the 1/320 sec flash sync speed. Plus a good size grip, one that is similar to a DSLR. It most probably will have a shape that is, besides the grip, very close to the E-M5 but slightly larger due to the extra space required for the bigger EVF, the higher performance or capacity processors and electronics (buffer, processors, firmware…)
All good, except I wish it would also have a 3.5mm microphone jack and a built-in flash.
I hope the 43 adapter can be made separate, so that the body would be cheaper than $1500. I do not care and will not buy any big, heavy and expensive 43 lenses. So, there should be an option not to have to pay for anything to do with 4/3.
Only E-M1 for 1500€ so i look, and price on adapter think i is more an MMF-3.
Me too. I don’t want 43 to compromise this OMD, in weight, size, and esp in price. I am not interested in big heavy lenses, nor would all the new buyers, upgraders from p&s or users of other MILCs or DSLRs. They would just by DSLRs or stay with their DSLRs, if they have to pay so much on price and in weight to use those lenses. Olympus still has not learn its lessons, that most people do not want 43 no matter how good those lenses are. It stool only appeal to some for hard 43 users, that’s about 25 of them.
Same size,weight as E-P5? Impossible!
No hump? Could it be true!
Lets see:
Body only Euro $1500
Adapter only Eu $500
Black Colour special edition only BPounds 20,000 with wooden grip and box.
Anyone selling their kidney for the black edition? 😉
No hump, no buy.
no hump = smaller body = I want it (I prefer GX7 shape then OMD shape)
I bet my left foot that the included adapter will be a translucent mirror crap fest from sony. Eityer that or slow af from pdaf on sensor. Because so far no one hqs done pdaf on sensor fast. Well except canon
Nikon 1 has fast AF.
I read in the FotomMagazin printed august edition, that the Nikon 1V2, during a reproducable AF test, a score reached of 91% nailed focus. The Canon 1Dx scored 71%, the Nikon D7100 47%, Sony NEX-6 32%,Panasonic G6 57% and the OMD 38%
The AF test involved following a car nearing the cameras, with all cameras using the central af field aimed at the number plate, with each camera set at max motordrive speed.
it’s much easier for an 1 inch sensor because of DOF.
the car start at infinity and nears the testup untill the whole car almost fills the screen. all cameras used zoomlenses set at similar angle of view (200mm equiv)
That can explain the bad OMD numbers, because at highest speed (9fps) it doesn’t focus between shots. At 4 fps it does.
no,if my german is correct they used the max drive mode where CAF was still possible
Ok.
to make the info more complete, the OMD was not the worst:
Sony SLT-A77 9%, Sony SLT-A99 33%
people say its well implemnted in the nikon one, but its not. The nikon one uses cdaf mainly and in some instances it uses pdaf as an aide to cdaf. But If you adapt a nikkor lens to it, does it focus as fast as the nikon 1 lenses??
nope
Interesting specs and probably a very capable camera……
but I did not see anything here that would convince me that it is worth 1’500 for body only.
Help me out!
If it’s 68mm high it isn’t shaped like the E-M5. Still, hump or not, it’s an OK camera, but not sure if it has anything to threaten the GX7, in a survival of the fittest kind of way. Unless you believe that’s what the 4/3 adaptability is going to take care of.
I am afraid these are meltdown times for camera makers. Witness the E-P5 special edition with Vespa included (for paparazzi- LOL)
In proprortion, the should make an E-M1 special edition with red Ferrari included, and give a party in Moscow, with Snowden as a special guest.
It will be called the ‘Freedom of Speech’ edition, and it will have a Glonass GPS, the Russian one.
Lol
Rumor sounds plausible. E-P5 technology, weathersealed, and a new PDAF Sony Sensor. Plus converter.
One body for both: New m43 camera + new Body for old 43-Users.
My trusted sources say that this camera takes amazing pictures!
True or irony?
Old 4/3 users are very worried that EVF will make them go blind. In fact the opposite is true, it will save their eyesight as long as they will go on buying Olympus 🙂
As for carrying their SHG glass, Oly will throw in a party in September to celebrate the end of the 4/3 system, where it will bring the special edition E-M1 and the red Ferraris to go with them.
I will definitely buy this camera simply because I sold my e5 and kept my e3(very old sensor tech which I still enjoy) and my m43 camera is an ep3 so regardless this is a huge upgrade for both my cameras.
I must say until I get proof if this camera being capable of c-af with 43 lenses than I can’t hekp but feeling very skeptical and doubtful that an evf camera with an adapter can do wildlife.
If this camera can’t do wildlife I’ll keep my 12-60, 50 f2, 14-150 leica and ex25 with this em1 and sell the 50-200 swd, ec14, 40-150 and possibly even the e3 and replace them with a 70d or the rumored 7dmk2 and one telwphoto zoom just for wildlife only. Hopefully I don’t have to do that because it’s a more Synergistic and convenient system for me to stay with Olympus all the way accross two mounts with one camera which can handle all types of photography.
Hey,
Why would you keep both 12-60 and 14-150 ? They cover almost the same FL. Or is that 14-150 that good ?
Thanks
140mm is quite a bit longer then 60mm really.
12mm is quite a bit wider then 14mm…
And indeed the Pana/Leica 14-150 is a very good lens, but lacks the weather sealing and has a slower aperture then the 12-60.
So.. they share the 14-60 range, but do not cover the same range at all, not to mention the other differences. Different kind of lenses for entirely different kind of uses.
@lone.samurai.
Honestly. For wildlife you would be better to switch to Canon no matter what. Not only because of pdaf. The IQ is also much better. Higher optical resolution formats.You just can’t get the IQ from olympus glass that you can get from the white guns. No, even the SHG guns don’t get you the telephoto IQ from Canon whites.
Will Oly EVER come up with a camera with an articulating screen? I find it very useful in my Pany G series – that is the main thing holding me back from OLY.
Try LCD tilting (ala OLY) and articulating side by side – then you’ll see the difference…
Maybe a high-end one SHOULD have it?
R
I love the articulated screen on my E-620. That said, a tilting screen is fine with me. A fixed screen is also fine. Actually, I don’t need really a screen! 😛
Personaly speaking, an articulated screen like A77 is better. The olympus one is great but the only thing fires me is that when I have the belt on my neck, the screen (when I need it a little turned)is just on the way of the belt.
Yes, articulating screen which can be completely turned around and parked “closed” like the E5 to protect the screen when not in use, or when VF / EVF is used.
If you knew what you are talking about, you should know that Olympus was first with articulating screen several years ago. “camera experts” at that time called it a useless gimmick. IIRC, dpreview was one of those sites!
Alamric, are you actually trying to be funny? If you don’t like 43 fine, what’s this my toy is better than yours crap?
Some if us left that stuff in the playgrounds of primary school.
I enjoy taking photos regardless of what camera that happens to be. Did I join some cult or something when I purchased my m43 gear?
Some disturbing and amazing things are happening in the world around us and we have have grown adults throwing insults at each other over devices and cameras.
Mmmmmmm…..
+1
I can’t say I like Nikon/Canon but I still don’t go trolling on websites focusing on them. Don’t people have better things to do than troll/insult people on forums that are focused on equipment they clearly don’t like…? 😛
Evidently not Anon.
I have friends and relatives that use canon, nikon, sony, olympus, panasonic and pentax. I can tell you none of us could care less about justifying a camera choice to another because it’s not even the point. What is the point? It’s the photos taken during travel of amazing places, of funny memories, lovely portraits, majestic landscapes and amazing animals or sights etc….
Gear will come and go but we still have what we’ve done with it.
I don’t see people fighting and arguing with other drivers on the roads over their choice of car they drive.
Hilarious stuff really.
Rather the opposite, Lone Defeated Samurai.
4/3 owners have always acted as they were the Cream of The World, and as if m4/3 were no better than P&S cameras. They spat on lenses, they spat on CDAF, they spat on EVF.
They propagated lies about other systems in order to hide that they had obsolete sensors, and even forbid participation to m4/3 to their DPR forum since it was not a dSLR.
So it is a great day to see them finally cut to size and their forum made useless. You sow the wind and reap the tempest – they say.
amalric, gloating is a bit infantile. What you write does not add to your reputation. Please stop.
Infantile, yes, but also an arogant blowhard who loves the sound of his own voice..
Amalric believes flickr “views” is somehow a confirmation of his talent as a photographer. Funny he never brags about the number of favoraites those pics get. In actual fact, it’s his screed’s and trolls posted here and at dpreview that drives traffic to his flickr page. Once people realize there’s no there, there they go back to ignoring him and his photos.
+1 He feels lonely and “numbers” give him peace. But he remains a poor, arrogant, bad person.
One day some lawyer will ask him to erase the pics he takes at unknown women while they’re minding their own businness.
LOL and he will blame Usa or NSA!
Amalric.
you are the funniest guy on the internet !!! lol.
if you had a blog.. i would subscribe to it immediately…
we need someone like you to tame all these winers…
you have to go after all of these video people now.. who would only purchase a cam if the video was perfect…
My GOD you can by a tiny camcorder for a spare pocket for a couple of hundred bucks…
one should buy a camera for the image quality, not whether it has a mic plug and other bells and whistles.
(i guess i’m going to get flamed now for being on your side)
steve
Thank you. Sometimes it seems Vanity Fair indeed, where buying intentions are a dime a dozen.
With the Hassie Solar & Stellar, the Oly Vespa we are living in a ‘give them cake’ atmosphere, or the Last Days of Pompei, with the affluent making orgies, while barbarians are at the gates -smartphones, that is 🙂
So talk is indeed cheap…
OK.. now i need Google Translate to understand what the Fu*k you just said …
Never mind. Dump all you have and follow me, like the Lord said.
I’ll get you a v. pretty vintage micro 4/3 for a few hundred bucks, and you’ll become a believer 🙂
No problem dumping all my possessions and following you… Just out of curiosity.. what flavour of Kool-aid are you planning to serve.
p.s
i know what its like to be the bad-boy in internet forums. I have a life-time ban on the forums of Shutterstock.com and Dreamstime.com
steve
I’d have to agree to some extent that some 43 users have in the past propagated lies about other systems in order to perhaps justify their own choice or was it their insecurity?….I don’t know and I’ll never understand but it seems to me that you at times are doing the same thing amalric.
I don’t mind some of the humor and frankly on occasion your comments can be amusing but then you slide off on tangents attacking other peoples choices becoming guilty of the very thing you’ve accused 43 users of doing themselves.
Shall we also blame the wolrds problems and all the wars on the dslr users in this grand global conspiracy you’ve painted for us where some of these glass VF prism elitists in their ivory towers are pressing the buttons and inflicting misery on the mirrorless clans?…lol
What happens to those who use both systems mirrorless m43 and 43? Shall we crucify them Sir amalric?
Perhaps this is all intentionally done by you to lift your profile a little and it’s working but don’t forget to keep it real.
From the lone defeated samurai, thanks.
If the size is correct, this camera just might be big enough for the 4/3 standard lenses (14-42, 40-150, 25mm pancake, 9-18). None of the HG/SHG lenses will be usable on it because they’re too big and heavy, and this is a fashion accessory (like basically all m4/3 bodies, except the GH3, which is borderline usable).
Absolute agree and 100% true.
Maybe E-M1 will be an good camera for all so need upgrad an E-620 or E-30.
Anyway size is so E-620 and price is so E-30. 😉
Perhaps the optional grip is very large and different to the previous em5 grip.
This may be a more ergonomic match for people using hq and shg.
I hope it will have extended iso to 100.
I also hope low iso will look better and not so noisy and retain more details than a em5 sensor does.
Glad to see they wont complicate things with built in adaptor.
The price is out of this world if it not bult in though…
Need new sensor eventually 24 mp,improve iso performance up to 6400 ,4k video ,100 iso and weather sealed…come with new mft lenses weather sealed too.
All in an Gx7 body like and i will really happy to pay 1500 euro…
if this is only a minor tweaking of the OMD, then i’m gonna wait for the EM6
Maybe the Pro-price is because comes bundled with the HLD-6 and the MMF-3 😉
Yeah, if this is the real replacement for the E-5, then it sounds bleak. A tweaked E-M5 will not due. Sorry.
Yesterday, disappointed with the price, I thought for a while I might opt for another epm2 with 12mm – for much less money, and already having one epm2 with 25mm, that would substitute the 12-60 with the new body. However, today I realized the 12-60 would hardly be replaceable. Using E-520 with 12-60 on it, this morning I took several hundred pictures of the marvelous rock formations and pools carved into the shore at Aliki, Thassos. Doing this with three separate cameras with 12mm, 25mm and 60mm would hardly be possible, or at least it would take much longer. So I continue to hope for a better specified FT/mFT camera – or at least a less expensive one.
Looks like the E-P5 kit isn’t so bad a deal after all. It’s $50 cheaper, and at least you get a lens thrown in which you can sell off. Plus, the EVF is tiltable.
Unless CAF is really improved, I don’t see where the value proposition is for people who don’t own 43 lenses. You get a much better deal buying an E-P5 or EM-5.
You could recoup the expense by buying ebayed 4/3 glass that goes for 1/3 of the original price. If you have no objection to the size and weight, it’s really a terrific buy, considering that those lenses won’t be made anymore.
They are a much better proposition than the Panny 12-35 or 35-100, for half the price!
That might be the only bargain of the E-M1.
Can you please show me where I can find a 4/3 300/2.8 at 1/3 of the original price or any of the SHG lenses? I’m interested in all of them, except 150/2.0 since I allready have that one.
Does eBay sound to you as an unfamiliar name? There are also plenty of forums for 4/3 veterans – I am not interested thank you 🙂
Because you can’t find any. You are talking BS as usual!
Ha ha, Richard, you know he is full of it but you still bothered to read BS. I just skip right past any amalric post.
Have we been introduced? Do I owe you something? So do your own little searches and keep your distance, peasant. 🙂
This is what you posted:
“You could recoup the expense by buying ebayed 4/3 glass that goes for 1/3 of the original price.”
Your words, so your job to substantiate your bs eh, claim.
I don’t have to substantiate anything. Just go to the 1022 forum at DPR and read the posts. 4/3 glass, and especially cameras are often unsellable.
it makes good sense that the E-M1 will allow some price recovery. So if you are a cretin ignore the advice. It will be helpful to others, hopefully.
You made a specific claim but refuse to demonstrate it, what a big surprise. No Amalric, we aren’t going to do the research for you, lazy bum.
I didn’t make any ‘claim’. I used the conditional ‘could’. Or are you so frustrated that you cannot understand grammar?
It is in the interest of anybody to verify what is the price level of 4/3 lenses, now that they can buy into a system able to use them.
Truth is that you are a poor envious sod, Bart. You have no originality, and you try to STALK people under pretexts, to look bigger. You are just uncivil NOISE.
well…Ive looked for years for a used 35-100 f2 and the absolute cheapest Ive found it was from a forum member and the front element was scratched pretty badly. 1500$ Still far from half price. used in good condition go for no less than 1750$
If it is weather-sealed and full-metal at this weight, it means it is not really bigger than E-M5 and probably uses the same battery, which is on the small side for the large 4/3 lenses.
For those who worry about the smallness of the new body and the need to use it with larger glass, I say: don’t. The only thing that hampers the handling of a small Olympus body with a large lens is the lack of a good grip. Provided there will be a new large grip and an evf that will further stabilize the body through the forehead (or, rather, through the nose on the LCD :-)), I am sure the combination will handle very well. I judge from the epm2 + 70-300 combination that I have. The left hand holds the lens well; the only drawback is the lack of a right-hand grip. If it is there – as envisioned for the new toy :-), taking pictures will be a breeze.
for a good grip and compact body you can still choose the OMD with the HLD6 or 3rd party grip…no need to wait for a new body 🙂
Ulli, don’t you get the point? This camera has been long waited for by many, including me. I want to use the 12-60 and/or 11-22 – that I have, on a camera with fast AF and a powerful sensor. Even price won’t be an obstacle, if it is reasonable – in return for good specs.
how can i get the point other then that your comment was about the Grip only.Now that you mention the need for fast AF with your 12-60 on a MFT, sure then i can understand you want to wait for the new body.
So basically the same as the Lumix GX7 for $500 more.
I’m surprised that m43 is stuck at the 16MP level when Sony can do 20 quality megapixels on a 1″ sensor. Seems like 20mp or even 24mp with good quality is very achievable these days, especially with some of the recent partnerships that Olympus has forged. Even if you used half of the amazing D800 sensor you would get 18mp with better dynamic range than anything in the m43 world. On top of that you would get ISO 100 as native ISO and 50 in an expanded mode which would be much better for landscape folks or anybody shooting moving water.
BECAUSE, since you all like the Sony sensor in the OMD, Olympus is going to do what they’ve always done… They’re going to run it in all of their bodies till you all start complaining again about sensors.
They’ve done it with Panasonic, even thought there were better sensors from Panasonic. It’s all about cutting costs, trimming the fat.
They save, YOU pay.
It would be 1/4th of the D800 sensor. Half in both directions.
Ah yes, good point, my bad. But still, Sony makes a good 1″ sensor that is 20mp so a m43 sensor with 20mp ought to be very good. 🙂
A 135 format (full frame) sensor with the same pixel density as the 16mp 4/3″ sensors would have approx 64mp. The d800 isn’t close even.
20mp? 24 even? Certainly possible sensor-wise, but I suggest you go research the relation between aperture, coc and pixel size a little bit, it will tell you a bit aboutthe use of more pixels on a 4/3″ sensor.
Yes, see reply above, temporary brain fade 🙂 But Sony does make a very good 20mp 1″ sensor (2.7x crop) so a 20mp m43 sensor ought to be real good!
I doubt Oly will sell it. Why buy this stuff for 1500 if a FF (!) camera costs 2000 nowadays (in assumption that we get the grip and the adapter for free – otherwise it is even not funny)?
People who own SHG are few in number (and, frankly speaking, people who can afford SHG sure can afford migration to another system when necessary).
I think I will by Panny’s GX7 when my E-30 dies. After all, aperture rings of my pannyleicas will start working. 🙂
A deadly silence indeed begins hovering here:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/1041
Where is the white hunter user who promised spending 14,000 $ in Nikon ware? If Oly didn’t give him a dSLR… Even the lions and the giraffes look perplexed
I only wonder on Pen Art Edition for 16000£ is an good idea.
Don’t forget you get a moped with it 🙂
People who want to use it with their 43 lenses will buy it. So it would be stupid to sell it cheaper, because there is not alternative to this camera… If people want a cheaper cam to use with 43 lenses they probably have to wait 1 year. Not very nice, but that is capitalism…
I don’t see how this camera is going to help Olympus. It is obviously marketed to the handful of people who still own 43 glass. However, I don’t see why the vast majority of m43 users who only use m43 glass would want to buy this camera, unless it really improves CAF on m43 glass. Fact of the matter is that most used 43 lenses–particularly SHG glass–is both very bulky and expensive. If you’re going to spend that much money without the benefit of small size and weight that m43 gives you, you might as well go for a larger sensor.
At the end of the day, Olympus can get away with charging $1,500 because many people who do own 43 glass will probably be willing to spring for it. But again, that’s a small group of people. As someone who has a good collection of m43 glass and is very satisfied with the quality of m43 lenses, I’m definitely not going to pay a premium for a feature that I’ll never need (43 compatibility).
I left FF Canon to get the e5 and I love it. I have the OMD and GH3 too but the OMD is my fav right now. I will use the shg lenses as long as they keep making bodies for it. If you understand photography then you understand FT. We do tons of weddings and every time we do a bridal show so many other photographers comment on how crisp how images are and it never fails everybody always comments on our color.
If they are going to keep the OMD in the lineup for a while, Oly should upgrade the OMD firmware to give it some of the E-P5 improvements; i.e. focus peaking.
Anyone notice that the dimensions listed are the same as the EP-5 (but smaller than the current EM-5)?? These specs don’t seem legit to me unless the EM-1 is going to be the same form factor as the GX7.
If it is smaller than OMD, it is not the camera they think it is
It isnt the OMD-Pro
If the dimensions are correct, this will be an EP-5 style cam with a larger grip and a built-in viewfinder (tilting?)… a retro inspired version of the E-1 layout.
Is very disappointed if it’s truth for the spec as the rumor: “Micro Four Thirds mount only (not a hybrid mount)” & “……that there will be an extra MFT to FT mount adapter for the camera. The term hybrid camera is referred to his ability to 100% support both MFT and FT lenses.” !
That’s a hefty price and skews the value of having a m4/3 system. Olympus may not find many takers if the IQ is not substantially better than the current OM-D.
min iso of 200 would be a joke
seems to me a “simple” omd with pdaf and pro body, this is THE camera for users that want to use 43 lenses… I don’t think m43 users will ever consider this camera.. Oly is taking a big risk with this since m43 community seems to appreciate portability and design and 43 community is not as strong as m43.. I think we (pen/omd owner) have to wait the next high end camera from oly/pana 🙁
This camera is clearly targeted for 43 users, not m43 users. The trouble for Olympus is that this camera has come too late. The 43 system has been moribund some time now–no new product has been created in several years. Many 43 users who were no longer satisfied using the outdated E-5 sensor, were dissatisfied with the autofocus performance of 43 glass on m43 glass, and had given up on Olympus ever creating a new 43 body have already sold off their 43 glass. I wonder how many of these people–many of whom may have already invested in premium m43 glass (like the 25mm, 75mm, 12-35mm, and 35-100mm lenses)–are actually going to be willing to buy back expensive 43 lenses.
Also, based on the specs, this camera is tiny compared to thee E-5. I really don’t see how it’s going to be able to support heavier 43 glass like the f2.0 zooms.
I never sold my 4/3 lenses, but have been using them on both, 4/3 and m4/3 bodies. I absolutely consider the hybrid camera an option.
I purposely went & took some ‘early spring’ (it seems like it here anyhow) photos of our native plants today with the 14-54 II lens to get some more use out of it, but the Sigma 150mm macro lens is OK with MF, although there is some delay from operating the aperture blades for each shot, especially when using TTL flash. Actually, the 14-54 II lens gets slower at the wide end (14mm), even with the same aperture. ??? I don’t have any SWD lenses, although I wish I had got the 50-200 SWD lens when I first had the E30 to have had the pleasure out of it (instead of the eventually will get to focus 70-300 or better still, to add to it), but then I’d be going through the same dilemma others are now.
I should have said for use with the E-M5.
Why do those specifications not look right?
Let’s see: Oly states the specifications for the OMD-EM5 as:
121 mm (W) x 89.6mm (H) x 41.9mm (D)
425g with BLN-1 battery and memory card, 373g body only
Stated dimensions for Pen EP5 are:
”122.3ｍｍ（W）×68.9ｍｍ（H）×37.2ｍｍ (without viewfinder)
420g with BLN-1 battery and memory card
The Leak claims a camera (with viewfinder) with weight and dimensions of:
Weight: 430g | 0.9Ib
Dimensions (WxHxD): 122mm × 68mm × 37mm | 4.8″ × 2.7″ × 1.5″
Now this new OMD is supposed to be a “Pro” version. Pro usually indicates increased weather resistance (equal to or greater then current OMD-EM5). It also generally implies heavier duty components such as shutter capable of 150,000 to 200,000 actuations. OMD-EM5 is rated to 100,000 actuations which is typical, but not usually considered pro level.
Now according to the specs, Oly is going to build a Pro Grade OMD with a DSLR grip, that is the same width, height and depth of the Pen EP5 as well as just 10g heavier, but add a VF4 grade viewfinder built-in, along with OMD weather resistance and “pro grade” components?
I think NOT.
Those specs are just a rehash of stuff that was put out before. Nothing new. Looks more like some kid took all the rumors and tried to create some mythical camera by adding different numbers in. The numbers do not add up despite some people’s dreams.
Now I have no knowledge of what is coming, but based on prior photographic history, including Oly’s own history, I would expect a camera based upon the OMD-EM5 but that out of necessity to provide all the desired features and maintain reasonable ergonomics will be a bit larger. My guess would be somewhere between the EM5 and GH3 in size and weight. It will have a DSLR like grip, larger battery for increased shooting time, much improved viewfinder (the VF4 size, magnification and eye-point but without tilt), better control placements, improved weather sealing (yes there is room for improvement) and heavier duty internal components. The lens mount will be m4/3. Compatibility with 4/3 lenses will be via additional electronics and focusing system improvements (possibly a hybrid contrast and phase focus system) but use of the 4/3 lenses will be via an new adapter that allows full native use and speed of 4/3 lenses with the body and new internal components.
It would be nice if it had a built-in flash, or at the very least a built-in wireless flash commander. 16 megapixel sensor which could be the OMD-EM5 sensor with improvements to the circuitry and processing engine to reduce noise and increase DR. Or it could possibly be a new sensor similar to or same as the GX7 with larger photosites. Improvements in sensor manufacturing techniques can still allow for a lot of improvements in sensor image quality without expanding sensor size. And there is still room for improvements with both JPEG and RAW processing engines. I guess I should mention that I would expect a PRO camera to also have a beefier/faster processor and a larger cache to allow for increased RAW shooting bursts.
Or I could be completely and totally wrong about everything.
I hope that Olympus has something better for 4/3 users. If this is what they intend to replace the E-5 with, I don’t think I’ll bother upgrading. In fact, it may lead me to want to switch to a different brand like Nikon or Canon. I want a true successor to the E-5. They might even want to consider a full frame DSLR that will use 4/3 lenses as a replacement for the E-5. What you have outlined above is not appealing in any way.
It probably has something better than the E-M5 in the realm of CAF, and it has the VF4, which must be excellent.
However 4/3ers must face it. The passage to m4/3 as main system has been delayed for 4 years in order for you to get used to the change of system, and for the top camera to get up to speed.
I was appalled by your refusal to take in the facts. Denial it was called. So if you change brand or format nobody is going to weep. There are so few of you that Oly sales figures are not going to change one iota.
Even, if you declare for so long that the true reason to stick to 4/3 lenses ‘the best in the world’ and now you have a camera to take them faultlessly, you threaten to go elsewhere, we can only laugh, and take your lenses at a discount 🙂
One can look at these rumors either positively or negatively. I am a four thirds system user (E-5, E-1, E-620 and E-420) and look forward to a system that can use my SHG, HG and SG lenses faultlessly. With an announcement possible next month, I would agree now is not the time to jump ship. I would also agree that if the new body uses my collection of lenses faultlessly, that is indeed a home run, and I look forward to that challenge. Always an interesting time sorting through the rumors.
Like sorting the grain from the chaff?
It’s too early for some who’ve held on this long to jump ship now.
The reasonable and rational thinking person will wait for an official announcement and within a couple of weeks or even days there’ll be a hands on preview at dpreview and numerous webpage sources as well as loads of youtube tests and reviews of how it handles both 43 as well as m43 lenses.
I’ve personally decided if this camera turns out great at saf and caf with all my 43 and m43 then it’ll be the cam that combines my gear as OBS and if it can’t handle caf but does saf as well as an e5 then I’ll keep it with all the 43 lenses ecxept the 50-200 And ec14 which will help fund a 70d or 7dmk2 with one tele zoom strictly for caf wildlife needs and m43 with 43 can do the other stuff.
I don’t think we should be hasty and react based on a rumor regardless of hiw good admins record but wait fir the announcement. This camera may perform like an alpha77 or alpha99 which isn’t such a bad thing really.
I think I’d rather see a drop in ISO at the low end than a bump at the high end.
I.e. Native ISO 100-12K instead of 200-25K.
Still sounds nice. Esp if it performs well with FT lenses.