Olympus first High End OMD could be priced around 1.500 Euro/ $1,500 (body only). That’s more expensive than other High End APS-C DSLR like the Nikon D7100 ($1200 at Amazon) or the just announced Canon 70D (again $1200). And the same price as the Full Frame [shoplink 40841 ebay]Canon 6D (right here on eBay)[/shoplink]. If the rumor is correct and that’s the price of the OMD it better has to be damn good to compete against the two mentioned cameras!
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For that price tag ,
a fullstops improvement over current EM5 will do .
+100
And completely leapfrog APS-C performance and approach full frame? Yeah that seems likely…
For me the only thing matters is AF performance of SWD FT lenses.
Who cares about the price … 100€/$ more or less does not make the difference.
I have a bad feeling about this…
…you want a worse feeling? Read the New York Times article about mirrorless sales that was posted about 20 minutes ago. If it’s not on the front page, search for Nikon, which is in the title.
I couldn’t find anything
I couldn’t find anything either, on the front page, the tech page or searching for “Nikon”.
How about a link? Duh.
Well, I just checked again and had no trouble. It originated with Reuters at 6:15 AM ET.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2013/08/08/technology/08reuters-nikon-earnings.html?hp
And spare the “duh” in the future if you want to get some help.
I’ll just skip it now..THANKS!
“disappointing demand for mirrorless cameras”
Should be read as “disappointing demand for THEIR mirrorless cameras” which makes the whole article much easier to swallow. The Nikon mirrorless cameras *are* dissapointing, when put up against Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung and the new Canon. Their 1 lineup is mirrorless but offers little of the advantages that mirrorless has over premium compact. Most importantly a sensor bigger than premium compacts, so what’s the point?
@cloudscapes
yeah typical Nikon spin lol
You pretty much nailed everything wrong with the Nikon 1 series, and now I have nothing to post except to say you got it.
“Rival Olympus Corp said on Thursday that its sales of its signature mirrorless model, the PEN, had fallen 12 percent in the first quarter, below its expectations.”
Then the EP-5 isn’t selling, THEN they want to sell you all $1500.00 Body only cameras.
It’s not looking good…
That would be interresting to see if there’s a difference between low end and high end mirrorless camera sales: maybe there’s different profiles.
Also it may sounds weird to “P&S” customers to buy a camera system where lenses are 2 or 3 times the price of the body only, and it doesn’t encourage them to jump from their compact or smartphone. That’s a psychological step (same for low end DSLR indeed).
The PEN series has been stagnant for some time, and the OMD was too expensive to lead to big sales.
The problem isn’t that people don’t want smaller cameras; it’s that Panasonic and Olympus have been tone-deaf when it comes to creating cameras that could actually increase sales.
A lower-end OMD and the next version of the GX7 could change that.
It does seem to be about mirrorless sales in general, actually… which is consistent with the dribbles of news we have been getting. Mirrorless is NOT selling as well as it deserves to be.
But, that could change, and market share is overrated. We’ll see. As long as it sells enough to keep the product lines alive is what matters to me. Same thing happened with Macs. I think Sony’s Alpha going mirrorless could change a lot of minds. Maybe that’s why the E-M1 is going to be bigger, so it’s more phallic or scrotal or something.
Did you even read the article? While I agree that Nikon’s mirrorless problems are a product of their own doing, the article, had you bothered to read it before you dismissed it, extended to other makers.
Here’s the Wall Street Journal angle (8:20 AM ET):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323477604579000251542364302.html?KEYWORDS=nikon
can anyone post the WSJ article? Its only available through paid subscription…. thanks in advance.
Neither did I
Here you are 😀
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=341211
Wrong article.
@Anonymous
Nikon were warned that the Nikon1 would be a fail for various reasons here on 43rumors just before launch by …………………..me!
+1!!!!
What Farrukh said….^^^^^^^^
Typical of Olympus, they overprice everything.
How on earth is it possible to have a bad feeling or claim overprice when you guys (1) don’t know the specs/have not tested the camera, and (2) don’t know the price??
+1000000000000000000000000000000000
I am not saying that I don’t have a bad feeling about how it will be priced, but I definitely would not say that it IS overpriced. XD
Maybe because there is an existing trend and the rumor fits within it?
I don’t care to much about the price- I care more about the shape & the features…
I think this pricing is a reflection on Olympus necessity to show some profits in its camera devision.
While Canikon has tremendous volume and thus needs smaller profit per camera, Olympus needs higher sales price per camera to make a profit.
One needs to get used to the new price levels on m4/3.
No-one makes a profit if it doesn’t sell enough.
I agree that this pricing may be a consequence of the need to make profit in the camera division, albeit perhaps more indirectly so than most seem to expect. Given that price, it is seems unlikely that the high-end OMD will ship in sufficient volumes to make profit on the model itself. It may, however, help change public perception of the whole product line, providing a perception of quality that shines on the lower-end models also and permits selling them at correspondingly higher prices w/o impeding sales volumes. Just like the S class itself may not be profitable for Mercedes, but provides a perception of exceptional quality that allows them to ship out their A, B, C, and E classes overpriced.
+1
True
I do think that Olympus previous strategy of trying to sell volumes of low priced cameras has not worked.
They have lost tremendous amount of money the last few years.
At this point there is probably not enough volume of m4/3 users to sell “cheap” cameras to.
In fact it is well know that Olympus has lost money on each camera it has sold.
Instead I believe that the company has decided to focus on high-end premium cameras.
There is probably enough m4/3 enthusiast to make this strategy work.
Think of Apple vs. Dell.
The general camera market is moving upwards in price and quality with Sony leading the charge.
Ex. RX100 , RX1, Panny GX7.
“In fact it is well know that Olympus has lost money on each camera it has sold.”
I believe that the E-PL1 and E-M5 were profitable. As a fact, Olympus stated that the m4/3 system is profitable for them. So I want to have a source of your statement.
Sure.
Olympus had to reinstated its past earnings as they were convicted of fraud so its past earn earnings reports are not reliable.
But, imaging division has not made any money the last three years, while its medical division has carried the company.
Also a interesting comment by Thom Hogan.
http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/
“And the camera group at Olympus is losing money. Indeed, as I’ve reported, even the mirrorless camera group at Olympus is losing money. They need to sell 1m mirrorless cameras a year to break even, but they’ll fall far short of that this year. ”
Some other links to Olympus earnings.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-12/olympus-cuts-profit-forecast-on-impairment-at-imaging-business.html
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/cameras/news/japans-olympus-cuts-full-year-earnings-forecast-329843
Mark
I have posted a reply but it wait for moderation…..
It´s not the manufacturer who makes the prize, it´s the market. Look at Canon EOS M or Nikon 1 V1 …
So let´s see.
Agree and the so Olympus do, so the is one tech and one sensor on all camera, from the small Pen to them large FT, but all way an new turn to better IQ.
1500 is so overpriced that I can get a D600 full frame Nikon for that kind of money.
Pricing sounds OK if you are making money from your camera and I’m sure it will come with lots of goodies 🙂
The old 4/3 E5 is a 1500€ so i think is true for this high end OMD
The is E-30 so have an price on 1500€ when he coming, but E-5 around 1700€ when he come, so not big difference but anyway.
Don’t worry too much about this price. FT3 is 41-60% probability.
I say it won’t be 1500$. That’s FT3 rumor too 🙂
yes it would be 1599 😉
If high ISO will be like in Fuji cameras, and DR will be like in Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, and AF-C will be like in Canon 7D – price will be acceptable.
+1000
And the market breakes 50%..and they walk on in superslomo!
so close and not.
1500 bucks. that is one bmc pocket + oly m.zuiko 17mm f1.8
and the good starter and the old man knows and grin….
if oly would only think right they would buildit
10bit
442
5axis-absolut-stabi-porn
omd-5hous
and the one lense
1500 $.
and stay.
stop this hobby and bla bla a litte there and a soem there and…
how many generations 10,,15 every 3 months…
so fine go down because alle is smartphonisated.
wake out of old marketing plans think 2013 not 1313
Did you forget to take your medicine this morning?
ROTFLMAO
Fine, if they don’t leave out basic industry standards, like high end video specs and in camera panorama and HDR, and the ergonomics doesn’t feel as cramped as the em6.
I thought that thant new end OMD was designed as a pro level camera (E-5 like).
Are 70D or D7100 aimed at professional (I really don’t know)? If the answer is yes, Olympus may need good technical arguments to justify its 1500€ price tag. If the answer is no, then this comparison isn’t fair.
Of course, a pro can use “amateur grade” tools, but I guess that the target isn’t this one for Olympus marketing division…
7100 and 70D are APS-C high end enthusiast level. D300s /7D are APS-C pro level. Well, most of those who buy those cameras do not make their living from photography anyway.
Aren’t the “real pro” APC cameras the 7D and the D300?
I expected a higher price.
On the subject of price, nothing is impossible for Oly
The price sounds right for a professional grade body.
Sounds not professional but expensive 🙂
i said “right”
+1
It is 200$ less than the E-5. If it is build like E-5 I will buy this body.
Let me Guess, they asked Hasselblad to re-wrap the OM-D EM-5
Hasselblad touch only Sony thing, but if you think E-M5 have Sony sensor so maybe them have do an organic wood thing by the sensor but i not know. 😛
It’s crazy…..
I only own MFT lenses. This camera is at this cost level because of the development costs and design to accommodate FT lenses.
It will REALLY have to be something special to turn my head at that price. We do not have much info yet, but I am thinking that my OMD is looking better and better, for now.
the first om-d price in germany was 1300,-€ and it was the big punch for olympus. this high-end will cost only 200,-€ more, if it is true that we can ust the pro-lenses like the e-5 users, this will be the next big deal, go on olympus!!!
the price was mentioned as body only … the 1300 for the E-M5 was incl. 12-50 …
NO! The first price in Germany was 1500,- with 12-50 and 1300,- body only.
Right now the Olympus price is: 1399,-€!!!
http://shop.olympus.de/e_commerce/gehause-kits/olympus/e-m5-gehause-p-1289.htm
I also look on pice on E-5, when i click on link, ti is 1999€ for an E-5 body only.
OK, it is meant to to work wonders. Looking forward.
If D7100 is a high end camera, what are D600, D800, D3x and D4?
D7100 micro high end camera D600-D4 is large high end camera, so this is realy easy. 😉
Well the D7100 is a robust weather sealed DSLR with a better sensor than any mFT or for that matter any current Sony APS ,it also has competent C-AF and tracking , with a 100% VF,dual card slots,able to output uncompressed video ,its built in flash acts as a commander for multiple flashguns,shoots at up to 7fps in 1.3crop mode ,1.3 crop mode gives a 15.4mp file with the same effective crop of mFT.It also has a .75 stop DOF advantage which in effect gives an F/1.8 lens on the D7100 the same DOF control as an F/1.2 lens on mFT
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/865|0/%28brand%29/Nikon/%28appareil2%29/793|0/%28brand2%29/Olympus
foff Stirling you loudmouth Nikon fanbois
he is a fanboy…but he does have some good points, just the same. Color him brave for coming to here and touting his LUV!
If you want to talk credibility, Jim Stirling is a liar and a thief
most of you would be familiar with ‘his’ cat photo here: posted many times in forums
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/5099157849/photos/1423927/cat
he stole it from this web site here
http://highlandtiger.co.uk/wildcat_facts.asp#
it is the last frame in the flash series, copyright Peter Cairns
or you can see it here
http://highlandtiger.co.uk/graphics/slideshow/BM-wildcat-127.jpg
now watch how quickly Jim Stirling removes this image
just like all the other stolen images he has been caught with
for years he told people he was a wedding photographer
but it was all a lie, he’s nothing but a thief
oh dear some ones been on the sauce again lol
No Jim Stirling, deleting it wont work. Everyone over there knows this image, and now they know you stole it and they know you are a thief and a liar.
http://s6.postimg.org/nffibz1ox/stilinggs_cat.jpg
Its good to have a chuckle Rob for a miserable coward who threatened women on an open forum you sure are a hypocrite best watch your targets some times you miss altogether
As I predicted Jim Stirling deleted his entire galley to avoid prosecution for copyright fraud
http://www.dpreview.com/members/5099157849/galleries
Is that a defence or an indictment?
@admin
you might want to check off these IPs for future reference
@BuzzoHypocritico
more broadly, those that needed to know already knew these things
its fair to suspect you have been a victim of his actions before & this is payback
still this sort of trial by internet persecution might be better off some other place no matter what kind of ******* hes been
Hi rob firstly the cat image is mine just because you scoured the Internet to find a similar image doesn’t change this. You have been harassing and stalking me since I mentioned your name in a post , a name you yourself posted in a camera forum. so no subterfuge was involved, after finding out how severe a stalker you could be ask any of your many victims. I thought it best to have you on a wild goose chase I would never use my real name on a forum my first name is Jim and Stirling is my Mum,s maiden name , I thought it would be amusing to give you a tale about being a nurse a quick search found one with the same name as my ID a quick change of birthday on my dpreview profile and off you went.
unfortunately I should have though how creepy you are and not put someone else in the foreign line just as you did when you posted a fake address on DPreview , along with death threats to the supposed poster. I made an attempt to contact the real James Stirling to warn him about you but I don’t know if they passed it on. The reason for moving my images is that you are clearly stalking me and no doubt have spent many hours trying to ID the locations on the photos. You have demonstrated that you are a vicious nasty piece of work on numerous occasions too many to go into here. It has been a bit of fun messing with you alas I should not have done so with someone else’s name. You take care now Rob , speaking of things disappearing you should know how that works remember those photos in your old smug mug account naughty boy then there was your little business that magically disappeared overnight when a friend of yours pointed it out and the unfortunate tax bracket it was in . the game is now over
I remember that exact photo, not something that looked like it. Its disgraceful that someone would do such a thing, but to try to hide it is beyond disgusting. I do not normally take part in these bitch fights at dpreview, I will look on with interest to see what happens next.
Jim Stirling, I am genuinely shocked, you should be shamed.
Scottish wildcats and wildcat hybrids are almost identical facially
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1376&bih=669&q=scottish+wildcat+or+hybrid&oq=scottish+wildcat+or+hybrid&gs_l=img.12…2665.2665.0.3838.1.1.0.0.0.0.162.162.0j1.1.0….0…1ac.2.24.img..1.0.0.Oh_9Q_H4l9M
Have a look through the numerous images from numerous photographers including me and tell me what you see
How dare you lie to me sir. The photograph was posted here
http://s6.postimg.org/nffibz1ox/stilinggs_cat.jpg
http://www.highlandtiger.com/wildcat_facts.asp
And I remember the times you posted it claiming it for your own. The wrinkle of the nose, the shape of the whiskers suggest this is the same photograph. Of that there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind. Which would be why you deleted your entire gallery, claimed an assumed name and lied like a rancid rat. Shame Stirling, shame
Any one fool enough to use their real name on the internet is just asking for trouble.Which is why you are using a fake name “Marty”. I have never and would never use my real name.I am sorry that I put someone else in the firing line by suggesting I was him.Scott has been targeting me for month after month after month because I dared to use his real name in the forum.A name which he published in an article as he has no trouble, its funny how you have no trouble with Scott posting threats of violence, signing people up for deviant porn sites using their real names and sending threatening emails to a photographer in England because he shared the name of Bobn2. Bet then you know of all these things and don’t care because you are not called Marty are you.The cat image is mine the fact that it looks very similar to another image is neither here nor there,there are literally tens of millions of images of cats so two being very similar is hardly a surprise.
The only reason for removing all my images is to remove any possibility of tracking me down for further harassment.I appreciate the anonymity of using my own first name and my Mothers second name my posting on DPREVIEW has declined drastically in past months.I have had enough of the hate and venom and will not be posting again.Your opinion or that of any the brotherhood of Olympus mean literally nothing to me
similar? rotfl
http://s6.postimg.org/xxr75uj4h/compare.jpg
thief!
http://www.highlandtiger.com/index.asp
http://s6.postimg.org/nffibz1ox/stilinggs_cat.jpg
Lol now that is funny Rob your problem was with me posting your real name I would never use my real name on the Internet it has all sort of creepy folk on it .I created a fake back story as soon as I realised how creepy you were .I use my own Christian name and Mums maiden name I changed my birthdate to one that matched an ex nurse and pointed you in the right direction .Very amusing till I thought about the consequences to the poor guy .If the above fake ID is not you it is your chum not hard to pin down as he is your only one. the fact that you scoured the net to find an image similar to mine is pretty sad but enough is enough
Jesus Christ we get it sterling is an a-hole but please keep your DPreview fights over there we have enough BS here
the d7100 and OMD have about the same performance in the high ISO range. The new OMD will prob gain a bit in that range, and without doubt wll be better in built that the d7100
you are flying your rampant-Oly-FANBOY flag in ALL of its glory….we salute you Ulli! 🙂 (but your outlook is questionable).
well i carried all the other flags in the past, where were you then?
Call him what you must, but I happen to have a d7100 right here with me and let me tell you, its definitely noisier than the em5 at ieo 6400 and up. Easily
He truly liked what I called him!…
besides…I said it was questionable…if what you are telling me is true..I am surprised and happily as I own an OMD…I did not know that the sensor surpassed any APS-c sensors..
That is impressive…but not enough to make me into a girlie fanboy…….
All of these cameras have sufficient high ISO performance. Noise-free at ISO 6400, what else do you need?
Olympus needs to start working in native ISO 100 and ISO 50 on these cameras.
Mike….I am definitely with you on that one…give us some low ISO so we can use our fast primes in normal light AND get better image quality…now you are talkin!
BuzzoHypocritico is that your real name lol if not you are being supper hypocritical. lucky for you ,you can use any name you want here its not like DPreview where you have been banned more than any other poster on the forum.WOOFWOOF points are right whoever he is.
On the other hand, there are no wide-angle DX primes available for the Nikon D7100, so, if you want a smallish kit with a 24-35 mm equivalent prime with an aperture of f/1.8, well, you’re out of luck.
That’s part of the reason I sold all my Nikon equipment. Couldn’t justify the expense to move to FX (aka full-frame), and they weren’t creating the lenses I wanted. Meanwhile, there were lots of primes (wide-angle and otherwise) in micro-4/3 land. While I miss the high-ISO capabilities of my Nikon D7000, and I’m still not as comfortable with the Panasonic menu system as I was with Nikon, I very, very much look forward to what Olympus will be announcing with the next OM-D. It could combine the things I love about micro-4/3 and the things I miss with a phase-detect, system (and the possibility of making much of the 4/3 glass available in a functional way is very, very intriguing!).
I was looking at buying into Canon or Nikon for my first DSLR. Well, then I discovered 4/3 and micro 4/3. 🙂 I am intrigued by this rumored high end OM-D, because I would love to get some of that sweet 4/3 Zuiko glass. 🙂
The Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 covers an excellent range and by all reports is excellent not everyone needs tiny gear not forgetting that F1.8 on Nikon APS gives the same DOF as F1.2 on mFT
yes it is usual for the native brand lens to work better than competitor 3rd party lenses, but this is just where DX is vulnerable. Also D7100 seems to have banding issues not present in the D7000, although both seem soft athigher ISOs
1500€!!!!
I will pay this price if the camera has, global shutter, prores or raw for video, high bitrate, flash in, 1/8000 or more…
two slots SD cards etc….
Don’t think they can justify price of M43 against the likes of Canon and Nikon. N and C have been established too long in the market and can justify their prices. O are still playing catchup on the game
I did not buy the expensive em5. Had a hunch there would be a follow-up camera at a much lower price. Turned out right. Now I have the epm2 and it got DXoMarked 10% better than the em5. Only hope DXoMark will put this one to the test sooner than I fail to resist the temptation.
Jankoff -I wonder. Do you happen to ever take pictures?
Nevermind.
Didn’t get the question. I often take one thousand pictures in a single day – when on holiday. That’s why I need equipment. I normally carry three cameras with me – 2xE520 and epm2. And I am not – and have never been – an athlete. Yesterday I suggested three epm2s with 12mm, 25mm and 45mm instead of one 12-60. I was serious. And I may put this into practice, should Oly seriously ask 1500 euro for the new toy.
Did you forget to take your medicine this morning?
Yes, I forgot. Took 100 pictures only. Can’t catch up with the 1000 target until tonight.
Volume does not equal fine quality. it is the same with your medicine.
e-pm2 sensor is not better than E-M5, the 10% difference comes from just 2 things:
– manufacturing variations of sensor
– reproductibility et repetability of dxo measurements
basically it’s just the same sensor…
4k video specs would make it worth that price but I doubt this will happen.
I hope 4k too
+1000 😉
That’s MSRP. The E-1, E-3, and E-5 released at about $1800 for the body only. They were always more expensive than D300, 7D, or D300s that were competitors. The price didn’t stay high as long as these others mentioned, but early adopters paid out. Olympus always seems to do this and it’s not an horrible business strategy imo. I think $1499 with $150 rebates on kits after 6 months sounds right. If it’s truly an E-5 pro replacement than this price would be good. The GH3 was $1300 and is now ~$1000. I expect this to be a more robust pro camera than that.
If this is an high end OM-D by new tech so fast focus on all FT lens and also solid build so will i think right price is over 2000€, for this is not same tech which others M43 camera to Olumpus have.
The price makes sense: They will capture the pent-up demand of frustrated 4/3 owners with a big investment in expensive and excellent 4/3 lenses.
And once that pocket of non-price sensitive demand is exploited, the price will come down for the rest of us (who are not really in a hurry to update our EM-5s).
This could very well be the Last camera from Olympus.
$1500.00?? You can buy the FULL FRAME Canon 6D for around that price!! FULL FRAME!! -WITH WI-FI!
Body only better be no higher than $1200.00
If the 6D is $1500 ($1999 from trusted channels), shouldt the title of your post be:
“THE CANON TAKEOVER IS NIGH” ?
+ I assume you forgot some “!”
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/08/canon-eos-6d-body-1499-new/
A fool would only buy this Olympus body at full retail price.
Hmmm, body alone doesn´t make a system, right? What if I´ve got some superb FT-Zooms and µFT-Primes? Why should I buy any of the FF-Cameras of Canikon? Would´nt that be foolish?
For a body only, FT/MFT camera, with a small sensor.
And lets just entertain your comment.. How many out there Own FT zooms and MFT primes?? -Not enough to sell this camera at that price!
Everybody is going to wait for a price drop… Sing it’s praises, yet wait for a substantial price drop.
Meanwhile, the GX7 will be $999.99… HAHAHHAA!! $500.00 less!
Yeah, keep dreaming. This camera is Destined to FAIL.
I have no idea who you are but as you aren´t a) working at the olympus headquarter or are b) god you are annoying me with your BIG HEADLINES…
But, hey, let´s just wait and see what happens with the high end om-d. A salesman at the biggest store for technics in germany working exclusively for olympus recently told me the e-m5 is selling great and was even more succesfull than Olympus expected. And I can imagine what you would say about the e-m5: it is OVERPRICED with a STUPID TINY SENSOR, right?
Wonder how the EP-5 is doing?
Nobody said that the EM5 isn’t selling. I clearly am stating that AT THE PRICE OF $1500.00 (BODY ONLY), THE NEW OMD WILL NOT SELL.
-There.
well if you have already bought the overpriced and over sized FT zooms then you might as well waste some more money
HAHAHAHA!!
Hi.
I can hear your arguments and respect your point of view, but could you please explain how you could have pleasure (you seem to have a lot) thinking that this camera will be a failure? Would that failure make another camera better?
Because (In MY Opinion), I think they just killed all of the hype the EM-5 has gained them. I think they’re Stupid to go back and “TRY” to revive a format that died. People Like what the EM-5 is, but instead of making a better EM-5 Micro Four Thirds camera, They want to take a step Backwards and try to clear out their warehouse full of four thirds lenses. And carry the users of Micro Four Third lenses for a ride..
They don’t want to cut losses, because they can’t afford to.
You want to use lenses on a MFT body? There’s adapters for that, But NO, Olympus wants to build it in and charge you more for it.
People wanted a successor to the EM-5, not a EM-5.2 that has a hybrid mount.
And the reason I find it funny is because if they fail, the Oly Fanboys deserve to get laughed at for all the Negativity, and this is where I stop.
You loose, manic preacher all-caps – the fanboys are getting this camera anyway. You are powerless.
Canon 7D body only Amazon List Price: $1,499.00
http://www.amazon.com/camera-photo/dp/B002NEGTTW
I admit English is not my native tongue, but I assume roman literals were the same as in 6D != 7D. I stand corrected, roman literals seem to be different in English also.
It seems numerical order are useless to them..
it isnt an exercise in numerology, the fact that the older 2009 APSC 7D is the same price as the new FF 6D seems to escape you.
More of an issue for Canon dumping new stock to keep the volumes up in a depressed market wouldnt you say?
The Canon 7D is a very popular camera and is still very much in demand. It’s a very fast shooter with a smaller sensor than the Canon 6D.
I was going to get the 7D, but went with the 6D instead because I wanted a full frame camera. Plus the WiFi with the mobile app is a game changer.
Go to Nikon rumors and whine about the 2007 D300 list price of almost USD 1700:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/635645-REG/Nikon_25464_D300s_SLR_Digital_Camera.html
APS-C, no wi-fi. You just don’t get photography, all-caps. You seem to get confused easily. Enjoy your Canon.
If we wanted FF size cameras, that’s what we would buy and there would be no point to M4/3. It doesn’t matter if you get a FF free in a packet of cornflakes if it and the lenses are bigger than the user wants or needs them to be.
Ever thought about role reversal? A lot of people left DSLR’s because of the size. I could see people leaving MFT if this camera is the size of a Canon 6D.
Why buy a camera that big when you can get better image quality in a similar size body?
Even with the GX7… if the IQ isnt up to snuff, then people are better off getting a Fuji or NEX…
Ridiculous. Olympus Four Thirds has some of the biggest lenses around!!!
So it does make sense: The big FT-lenses need a useful body, not a I-need-to-be-the-smallest-of-all body.
Have you ever used a FT-body with pro- oder super-pro-lenses? Certainly not. I wouldn´t like my 50-200 to be seen on a E-M5 body (which I have both by the way).
With the 14-50mm P/L lens… That lens is DSLR sized… FT doesn’t need a new body, because there aren’t enough FT users to SUSTAIN a new body!!!
I swear.. It’s like you all don’t care if they lose money on this camera, go out of business and/or get brought out, just as long as you all can buy a new FT body to use your old FT lenses on… ON DISCOUNT.
Pathetic.
Must be hard to know that you threw your money out of the window for that overpriced crap! What forced you to do this failure? Thank god you learned your lesson 😉
I scored the L-1 on ebay for $600.00. One of my best camera purchases ever. I still take it out sometimes.. I just look at it, grab it and go.. Love it.
If you’re convinced that you really care, you are really deranged, all-caps. That’s too improbable. You’re just a maniac with ever failing logic. “Don’t buy Olympus if you really care about them, or else you’re pathetic in my book.”
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Ok. Deranged it is.
they are equal in size and weight to the competing high end zooms, but they perform better in some optical aspects then the 24×36 big mammas.
Did you not see the earlier rumour that implied the size would be only slightly larger than the OM-D? If it gets near GH3 size it would not be something I would be remotely interested in.
So in away I am agreeing with you, but if the size is as rumoured, what I said still applies.
You seem to have a problem with your keyboard.
Actually, all-caps does it very consistently and consciously.
Yes, a cheep bad FF with an old viewfinder and many bad old much to big lenses. The OMD beats this dinosour day by day…
Sony NEX-7 body 1100$
Fuji Xpro-1 body 1200$
Panasonic GX-7 body 1000$ (now)
Panasonic GH3 body 1300$
Blacmagic Pocket 990$
now OMD 1500€ ?????
With such price it should be much better in all aspects from the list above.
Better IQ from the sensor, faster, better AF, better build quality, better movies (or at least as good as from GH3, or even Blackmagic) and additional has somthing somthing special and unique possibilites.
Supporting old lenses 4/3 is not big value for me.
so its probably not for you!
it appears that Oly is addressing that body to people already invested in 4/3 with $$$$ in lenses, and that bought an E5 at 1500$ when a 7d was already available. Is 1500$ crasy price for them? maybe not.
for the other, well, there is the OM-D that will get an update some point in 2014, or EP5+vf4 that will come down in price
+1
If it’s aimed at pro, that’s a nice move from Olympus at a right price and delivers an encouraging message: you invested in lenses for that high grade gear, we’ll continue to bring you high grade cameras for that format (ie: we don’t take your money and then drop you like old smelly socks 😉 ).
It’s aimed at somebody who is stuck with FT lenses.. A pro would’ve Sold them and shoot with his DSLR and back up MFT camera… HA!
I thought that the point was to take pictures not to speculate on the value of the gear. If a pro is satisfied with his gear he won’t drop it because it “might loose value”. I thought that the real value for a pro was his work, not his gear (I mean a pro photographer, not a pro reseller of photographic equipments).
Of course maybe this pro will maybe need to change his gear for multiple reasons (body is wrecked, need for new functionality), and he’ll then be happy to have the choice to still use the lenses he likes or drop everything for another technology like you suggest. With this announced high end OMD full FT lenses compatible (as rumored), Olympus is offering the possibility to E series owners to keep their beloved lenses and get an upgrade.
But maybe I’m wrong 🙂
Mr. Capital Letter, I don’t understand why you have to react like this. I mean, were you really interested in buying this new camera, but the expensive rumored price was such a disappoint that you’re now full of anger? Or do you see new olympus cameras “enemies” of panasonic ones?
I take ALSO photos for living, I don’t consider myself a pro, I don’t buy gear because it’s supposed to be aimed at pros, I buy it because I like it, I feel I need it, and only if I can do it.
An example: I saved for a Monochrome, still haven’t bought it because even if it’s a special camera, I don’t need it enough, and I can wait and see what Sony has to offer.
In the same way I’m waiting for this camera, and I’m curious to try a GX7, since I really need a second m43 body.
BUT I don’t hate/laugh at people or at other products.
I think I’ll go with that..
In all seriousness though, I respect everything you typed.. Really.
I do however, find it funny because I find it deserving. I’ve owned Olympus products, I still have a film camera laying about somewhere.. But coming here to FT Rumors change my view of Olympus that I want no part of.. The rabid fanboys here are insane.
But again, I respect what you have said. I myself am no pro, but I have paid work as well, being in the fashion industry. But I have no respect for most of the fanboys here. Call me one too if you wish, but it’s simply in defense.
Is it really all-caps speaking? Admitting he’s just blabbering away all day because of his personal feelings towards some Oly fanboys?
Whoever that was, please stop it. Others might do the same, robbing all-caps of his (now confirmed?) nobody identity. Mmmh.
A Monochrome – are you serious?
“The Crazy Comparison Returns! The $999 Olympus OM-D vs the $7995 Leica Monochrom!”
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/11/16/the-crazy-comparison-returns-the-999-olympus-om-d-vs-the-7995-leica-monochrom/
Yes, I have read that comparision. If you don’t print big photos you won’t notice any difference. Add to it that if you pass both files, from Monochrome and from OMD-Em5, through Silver Efex, the difference is hardly noticeable.
What I like of Monochrome is the grain at high/really high ISOs, and, most of all, the rangefinder experience.
Maybe you should wait for the E-M5 successor? Why would you want to renew your camera every year? This is not replacing the E-M5, it is rather a step upwards and against GH-3. We have to whether the price is justified.
I will buy an OM-D when this one is released and hope to get it with the 12-50 for under 1000€. Now it’s on 1100€.
Already listed at 1190€ in a store in Paris: EM-5 + 12-50 + 45/1.8 (but like you I’m still waiting a bit 🙂 ).
That’s a nice deal! I haven’t found anything like that in the internet in Germany! I would be tempted by that! 😀
If this thing can bring my “little tuna” back to its glory I’ll pay them $1.5K.
tz
still dreamng about that lens
“Back to its glory” ? Don’t you already adapt it to one of the current 16mp m4/3 units?
AF on my OMD with the 150/2.0 really crappy, but I have used it with MF and the IQ is fantastic.
Me too, and I would probably start saving for it’s bigger brother to. The 300/2.8 is my dream lens. Extremely expensive in Europe, but I have cousins in the US who could buy it for me at less than 60% of the European price.
+1, I loved my 150 SHG! There is a thread with some great pics here : http://www.mu-43.com/f81/olympus-150mm-f-2-shg-zd-image-thread-32190/#post315786
I will buy if its base iso is 100 or even 50,for studio strobe work. Global shutter would help for syncro sun. I would even like a built in vertigal grip
Why not buy another system? because I like the image ratio. I still use canon also.
Nobody is going to buy this camera at full price, not even the 43 lens hopefulls… this camera is insanely priced and will sit in stock, not moving.
Every Olympus fanboy will brag on the specs, but will say “I’ll just keep using my OMD and wait for a price drop.”
There’s not going to be a price drop… its going to be a Fire Sale! -Then the bidding war for Olympus and its tech…
@LIKE I STATED BEFORE…
means nothing about what you said before if you keeep changing your name d’oh! Can’t you just stick with @camerageek and be done with it?
Fact Remains… This camera will SIT and collect DUST on store shelves at that price.. Stick a fork in it…
Err – which camera? The rumored one? Maybe you should wait for the anouncement, so you know what are jou talking about…
You’re right…
That’s why I’ve said, if it’s anywhere North of $1200.00, they’re in trouble.
Repeating things doesn’t make them more (or less) true.
I understand I have been acting like a moron. You see, it’ s all the Oly fanboys getting on my nerve. The world needs me!
If it’s a replacement for the E-5, regardless of the native lens mount, $1500 is within the range of what I’d expect. If it’s more than the public deems it’s worth, the price will have to drop accordingly. Someone is always going to complain about the price, but others will buy.
Indeed.
As good as it will be, it won’t be able to compete with a full frame at high ISO. If they could match that then I would take it seriously and even consider it. As it is, I consider it to be a daylight camera albeit it a good one – but the price is all wrong.
I’ll stick to my Nikon for serious pro photography, and my Lumix as a back up and holiday camera.
Don’t get me wrong…I am a MFT fan…but this new olympus camera will not be able to compete with the image quality of a full-frame camera at any ISO. …and it’s true…if you really shop it…you can purchase a Canon 6D for that price (and dropping).
Maybe this is the moment to start selling off my MFT gear while it still has value. The camera market is very volatile right now.
Back in the days of film, no Leica was ever able to compete with a 4.5×6, 6×6, 6×9, or even larger cameras in the area of image quality. the Leica’s nevertheless sold like hotcake. Not to the professionals needing utmost resolution, but to the ones needing speed and ease of use – or sometimes just a bit extra DoF at reasonable exposure times. The same would be true here: A pro M4/3 would cover a different photographic territory than a pro 24×36.
You make a good point. I own a full 5 DIII kit (10 lenses), and a full MFT kit (10 lenses), GX1 & OMD. There is certainly some thing to be said for being around people with the small kit….must less intrusive…way more spontaneous. ..but this new Olympus I’s heading in the other direction, big time and to me..I would just skip it and go to the FF and get the FF quality. …butt that is just my outlook.
I think that the GX7 heads moe in a direction that I think MFT is all about.
Funny, I was shooting a 6×6 camera around when you posted the above and thought the exact same thing.
Btw, it was 75mm at f3.5 -> eat that, all you shallow-DoF junkies proclaiming 24×36 FF is the way 🙂
I don´t know what you´re doing with your equipment, however I´m using it. I don´t buy stuff to sell it back as this would make me a trader. But I´m a hobby-photographer so why should I sell my µFT-stuff instead of using it?
No..I am a photographer..but if MFT starts to head the way of the pharoahs…the value of all of the MFT equipment I have will drop precipitously…and the system will become a dead-end with no growth.
I definitely will consider selling it off while it is more valuable…I still have a FF kit to shoot with.
@Phred
my cameras and lenses are worthless to me, my images mean everything to me, my family and my clients….
I am happy for you. I dig my images, too. …but I think differently than you. 🙂
“my cameras and lenses are worthless to me”
And yet you spend far too much time hyping/lying about mFT gear how honest Olympus are and most embarrassing of all chasing votes for the OMD in forums all over the net even attempting to get folk to sign up to DPreview just to vote for the OMD now that is some pathetic crap!!!you are a primo example of a fanboy
This guy has a rope around his neck, with the Yakuza holding the other end… Blind.
“If the rumor is correct and that’s the price of the OMD it better has to be damn good to compete against the two mentioned cameras!”
Not really. If that is the 43/m43 hybrid we’re talking about, then its price is in line with the E-5’s price. That price, also places it firmly into my “I personally would never but that” niche.
I have one epm2 with PanaLeica 25mm. Perfect by all means. If they insist on €1500 for the new toy, I will keep my 12-60 with my E-520 for sunny days, and instead of wasting €1500 to be a match for my 12-60, I will buy another epm2 with 12mm for €1000. I will thus have epm2 x 2 perfectly covering 12mm & 25mm and will continue using E520 with 70-300 for a long range. Plus I will have short-range quality – indeed. I do assure you, two epm2s with small lenses plus a E-520 with 70-300 is not a burden for a physically normal male of any adult age at all.
D7100, 70D or 6D are not high end bodies.
mFT has plenty of small bodies, plenty of cheap bodies. What is missing is a pro grade body.
-p-
+1!
+1 !!!!!!!!
@ Pekka
Sorry OFF TOPIC;, What is your opinion when some of respectful blogger said;” The Dead of D-SLR Isn’t far away”.?
Anybody can give an opinion .
what ,meant,.its just look at the Trend right now,.
Sony is trying to replace their entire D-SLR/SLT body with A new Concept of mirror less body,
and now its seems like ,.Olympus D-SLR /FOUR THIRD body,.its coming to an end,.with the upcoming EM-1,.a mirrosless body with the HYBRID mount,.
Why is it okay for DSLRs to have different bodies for different needs with some of them priced around 4000€, but on m43 everyone thinks that every body should be for everyone? I mean if this is a pro camera and has pro-level weather sealing and body build, accepts 43 glass, has PD and CD AF combo with good CAF, maybe a better sensor than OM-D and hopefully GH-3 (or almost) video features and also delivers them, why should it be priced for 1000€? (These are assumptions which would together justify the price and I am also doubtful on the video specs, but I won’t judge for now.)
It is said not to be significantly larger than OM-D plus vertical grip! A bit more and better ergonomics. The lens size advantage will still be there. This is OM-D Pro and it is obviously more expensive and to make good use of 43 glass also a bit bigger. If you don’t want the bulk or the price than there is still the E-M5 on the market or you have to wait for its successor. That latter will incorporate for sure most of the OM-D Pros features except for size, price and 43 support.
Do you really want smartphone release cicles of every 6 month and then spend every time 1000€? Some of you guys kind of seem way to narrow minded and irrational….
Really good points you made!
I read all the previous post.
And finally someone nailed, come on people start to leave out the gadget race from this. This Camera is supposed to aim at the professional market, the enthusiastic still have the OM-D EM-5, this camera is no a replacement is a high end model, obviously if you don’t make money from your gear this become a expensive equipment to have, for that there’s other options.
There’s rumors about a new Nex 7, even knowing the limited range on Nex lenses it’s look like a nice option, so; i have hope, like many of you that if the price of 1500Euros is real this camera must be a hell of the Camera.
My point exactly. Different bodies for different needs. It is any-ways the lenses of the mft system that matters the most in size. Besides there are already plenty of small houses to choose from. Secondly its not the price of the body that makes photographers choose the system, but the size and and relatively low priced lenses!
I will probably buy it for this price, but it will be my last camera for a long time. What I would like is a very durable camera, OM-1 size and style that weighs about 500g and takes FT lenses without issues. Low light performance and DR of the E-M5 are good enough for my needs.
I will sell my E-5, 12-60 and 50 macro to cover most of the cost and stick to the lenses I truly care for (11-22, Panaleica 25 and 50-200).
I would like to buy it but it might put my marriage at risk if I do. 😉 Ideally, I need faster zooms before another body. I got the E-M5 last year instead of a 50-200 lens for the E30 & I’m sure I’ve done the right thing (at this point). I’m still looking forward to Septembers announcements though.
No man is an island – no camera either. This camera will have in it 150,000 actuations, weatherseals, best EVF in trade, so it will really be pro grade. The problem will be the price of the neighbours i.e. how low the NEX FF will go. If I don’t err 5d Mark three is still more expensive.
Now also consider that this will be a backwards compatible m4/3 NOT a 4/3 camera, like some would like to obfuscate. As a m4/3 user I find a bit humiliating always have to wait months before getting a camera. Sony and Fuji prices are much more humane from the start.
Also one way or another manufacturing prices are lower.
Finally I found an interesting post at the RFforum, about the GX7. Why can’t we never get a no-frills camera, say a’ la Leica or a’ la Ricoh? The latter is an outstanding camera for $ 600 and everybody wants one. It has a rational menu instead of a Christmas tree of features, many little needed. It covers a precise use: Street and Landscape and it is as small as a Pen Light.
Can’t we have really Pro use cameras, instead of prosumers?
BTW a warning 4/3 users, don’t try to take over m4/3 forums under the pretext of the new hybrid camera. You’ll be banned like you had me banned. LOL – the arrogance!
Ah, here we go…
Let the culture wars commence.
Some people need to feel superior at all times. I am tangled up in both mounts and like them equally.
Gee, you talking about arrogance…
Waiting for a talk about privacy respect.. That perverted speaks about NSA spying he world and he keeps taking pics at unknown women.
And we don’t know what he does with the pics he takes of unknown children
Before you frequented this neighbourhood (I imagine you were busy someplace else), this forum was for 4:3 sensors in general, FourThirds included. I don’t think it ever officially changed to m43 only.
However, even if that’s so, the imminent OBS camera will re-establish the visionaries of old that recognized the potential of 4:3 sensor technology many moons ago. Your antagonism makes that inevitable glorious return to the limelight all the more triumphant. Appreciated!
yeah… no suprise here with the 1500€ Was dreaming about 1200 but deep in my heart I was sure it wont be cheaper then E5. Now, for most this amount of money looks unreal but the reason for it is logical. Its strange that everything I was told a hear ago comes true day after day. I was told to wait if OMD doesnt not fit my needs since I am using 43 lenses. I asked why not now, why does it take so long to combine two systems. The answer was : Olympus is waiting for the right time and technology from Sony. Got my really thinking and just forgot about it until nowadays. Its a pro and a pro body will need to have a pro service which is different from other bodies. They cant make it if the market is not ready for it. Now its ready or so Olympus thinks. They cant make the price lover because they are not Canikon and the market is not that big for 43 users or m43 who wants a bigger body
BTW I find interesting that the OM-D Pro doesn’t replace the E-M5 and that in September Oly will introduce a new (fast) m4/3 zoom.
Seems to be that OLy realizes that new camera won’t be for everybody. Most like me will stick to m4/3 only and enjoy the smaller gear.
4/3 users of course will have to foot most of the bill of the new camera or jump ship, but nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy lenses of a different format. So since the E-M5 is still available and probably coming down in price, it makes sense that the dual use camera is 50% more.
If you are quick to react you might also fetch super 4/3 glass for a song on eBay, before it goes up again. So you could offset the price of the camera. It’s all good except that I wont take the weight of the combo and I will stay a small primes man. 🙂
if they want m43rds to mature they have to secure options at the top and the bottom of the range. I think perhaps the totality of the system has kept them on top of mirrorless, and this is a continuation of that idea
Mature, you mean like going senile with legacy stuff?
Well luckily the old Oly senile board with its yakuza acquaintances was wiped off in one go.
4/3 was indeed financed through false accounting. There goes you moral superiority 🙂
Uhm, it was some older ‘investment’ losses that were kept off the books, has nothing whatsoever to do with what you say. But hey, why stick to the facts when you can also act like an arrogant fool.
if the point is how bent they are well,
they got caught trying to fix it up
yes it should never have happened thats obvious
but the crimes have been dealt with
the guilt and repatriation is now behind them
So, Olympus has been marketing the e-m5 as an ‘advanced amateur’ camera, and never as a ‘pro’ camera. They have suggested a higher-end om-d for about a year now, and you are surprised the om-d ‘pro’ will not be a replacement of the e-m5?
LOL,.. if you have right is the more and more so say me, this hight end OM-D is an cross over type camera so NEX-6 is, and also maybe build in an trasparary mirror.
I only wonder is the take care by IQ?
The new OMD should have no problem improving the DR over the 70D and have a much larger buffer than the D7100. These are still weaknesses for these camera. The 6D is a different beast with much larger lenses. Olympus can certainly compete with a high end body.
cheap FF has to make cost concessions somewhere
hence performance is pedestrian
For me, the problem is that I also own a pentax system :k5 with a bunch of lenses plus k01. If I was going to spend that much, I would probably go for k5 IIs since is not that much bigger than a GH3 or possibly the new pro Olympus. Size is becoming a real problem for m43, as other miniaturize their apsc stuff
It doesn’t have to be “damn good”. It just has to make DSLR shooters say to themselves, “Dang, my camera is heavy…there’s got to be a better way.”
+1 !!!
E-1 2003 $1699.00, E-3 2008 $1699.00, E-5 2011 $1699.00,
If the high end OMD is in fact an E-5 replacement then I would expect the price to run around the same 1500-1700 range when if hits stores in early 2014. For those that still have an investment in the high end DSLR lenses this may be their only choice going forward for a new camera body.
It will also give M43 users an even broader range of lenses from which to chose.
Except that if this camera is mirrorless, it is by default several hundred $/€ cheaper to manufacture, because the mirrorbox is a VERY expensive part of the camera.
I have a feeling Olympus will bring out a small body that is going to be near useless for pro use because of its diminutive size and won’t physically handle well with 4/3 glass, being too front-heavy. Therefore, it will be a market flop; unsuitable for 4/3 owners, too expensive and too big for the m4/3 accessory/gadget brigade.
We’ll see.
And price is determined by what customers want to pay, the cost of manufacture is only a lower limit to that.
Marketing basics don’t go down that well around here, I’m afraid… 🙂
1500€ = US$2000 they are CRAZY!
Leica is more expensive but less…. so what?!?
yeah… a Leica. don’t be a retard not even the same type of camera.
Well it depends who they want to milk: if they want to milk the EU, it will be EU 1500 = USD 1500.
If they want to milk the US, it will be USD 2000. If you assume that most of the SHG is sleeping in America… 🙂
That’s normal, the price in USD often comes without VAT but these in europe comes with VAT of 20%. The really crazy thing is ofter 1500 EUR, 1500 USD AND 1500 GBP!
But we have to pay for our own healthcare, and on average twice as much as you pay for healthcare in taxes, and millions of people go bankrupt because of that (even those with insurance).
Well, at least our doctors can easily afford Leicas and Hasselblads. 🙂
Yes, I see that you are on the verge of political awareness.
But let me add that I have to pay my dentist separately and that the NSA steals our industrial secrets.
That should be included in the deal too.
Premium OMD, bring it on, it doesn’t have to be for the masses it’s ok to have a luxury model. Go all out Olympus !
Ill take an e5 with an OMD sensor
Another possiblity is that this rumor is made by pana.
The good news for me is with that price I can sell my E-5 at a good price, well done Olympus!
If you mean the not come an E-7 after this, is the good news for me to, i need not an new camera for my FT lens.
-Well what is the price for your E-5, say you ? 😉
It would be good if Admin made clear if there is still an E-7 before Christmas because I can tell that 4/3 diehards are sizzling…
So is 4/3 dSLR dead or undead? 🙂
If the lenses work on mirrorless why do you need an e7?
Well you are being rational but some aren’t.
I remember a White Hunter trumpeting on the 4/3 forum at DPR that he’d spend USD 14,000 to jump ship to Nikon if he didn’t get an OVF.
Where is he now? Let Nurse Amalric bring you the Oxygen Line… 🙂
Well the is not all FT lens so we can use tripod on and the best EVF is not so good so an OVF. 😛
Exactly. A pro level mirrorless that I can use with both my FT and mFT lenses would be perfect.
thats a key question that will have to be resolved
The fidgeting was yours, for years, about the superiority of dSLR, OVF and what’s not.
Now comes the Redde Rationem, the Day of Retribution, where you’ll have to pay dearly a m4/3 camera to take your depreciated glass… 🙂
>The fidgeting was yours, for years, about the superiority of dSLR, OVF and what’s not.
I dont recall being as arrogant about it as you are all the time
however EVFs have improved considerably over time, well those that have them that is..
>Now comes the Redde Rationem, the Day of Retribution, where you’ll have to pay dearly a m4/3 camera to take your depreciated glas
well lets see what its like to shoot first
paying for it is just disposable money that would otherwise go to the tax man.
At that price, it is better be autofocusing (with tracking) Oly 35-100/2 and 90-250/2.8 at 10 fps or it is not going to fly.
A bargain as far as I am concerned. With 2 conditions, focus my 43rds lenses as well as a DSLR and focus my lenses as fast as a DSLR. Aside from that I dont care 🙂 $1500 is $200 cheaper than the expected $1700 for an E-7.
Anyone who isn’t willing to spend the money, here is some advice, don’t. If this is a body designed to focus 43rds lenses and CAF well, either that has value to you or not, no-one is forcing you to buy it, and there is no law that states a company must price their products for their most thrifty consumers 🙂 However as the OMD proved, a well designed (appealing, attractive or unique) product that functions well and captures the imagination of the consumer will sell well.
As Samsung showed simply being cheaper will not win the market, the consumer still preferes or believe the DSLR is a winner. So better to produce products that will create leading edge brand advocates who in turn will help influence and educate the market. Haven’t heard of the marketing concept? Read Purple Cow by Seth Godin.
Not all markets are won with cheap volume products.
A high-end product will help with marketing. I’d like to see Oly or Pana make a m43 version of the D4/1D but at half the cost, size and weight, with everything else no-compromise. I’m not saying it would necessarily sell. I’d just be curious to see if they could pull it off.
Olympus gotta make money, somehow. It does not matter if they sell a million units for $1 or one unit for $1 million, they still have to make the million. This is the purpose of its existence.
I don´t understand why we speculate about price without knowing the specs of the camera. There is no way to judge the price without any knowledge of the specs.
Does this mean they won’t cut E-M5/7 prices? 🙁
I hope it use MMF-3,i don’t want a big body only to include it.
Here’s the problem with the $1500 price tag: it makes this pro OMD the most expensive cropped frame camera on the market, regardless of mirrorless or DSLR. The Canon 7D, in the USA, sells for $1500 body only, and it goes on sale from time to time, down to as low as $1300. Here in the USA, the Sony a77 with a 16-50 f/2.8 lens can be had for $1500!!!!
The only cropped frame camera that’s more expensive is the old Nikon D300s, selling for $1700. One of the best camera bodies I’ve ever used, despite it’s “old” 12mp sensor.
More importantly, the pro-spec GH3 (which is absolutely a pro-spec camera) can be had for as little as $1100 for the body.
But here’s the real interesting thing: even the GH3 has pro-spec lenses available for it, even if it’s just the 7-14, 12-35 and 35-100 zooms. And I would not hesitate to add the Leica 25, 45 macro and new 42.5 portrait lens.
However, where are the pro-spec micro 4/3 lenses from Olympus? The 12mm and 75mm? Maybe the 17mm? That’s about it.
Looking at what Nikon, Canon, Sony, & Pentax offer their users in terms of lenses, let alone some great stuff from third parties like Tamron, Tokina, Sigma, Zeiss and so on, and then the tremendous amount of accessories for those cameras, and it’s quite evident that an OMD selling for $1500 is going to be a tough pill to swallow.
My gut feeling is this camera, as is often the case with Olympus, will be priced far higher than the market will bear.
And it’s not lost on anyone that this is a MICRO 4/3 camera that has 4/3 compatibility tacked on as an afterthought, a dead lens system as it is. Where as Nikon, Canon, Sony and Pentax are all still actively involved in making lenses for their legacy mounts, as well as all the third party lens makers. But Olympus has left 4/3 to die on the vine, and this camera will not revive that lens line.
You are also left with the bizarre conundrum of trying to sell a tiny camera that can be used with rather large HG and SHG lenses….not a good idea. The reason cameras like the 7D and 300s are big, is that it is expected that they will be used with BIG lenses. When you have a 70-200 f/2.8 zoom attached to your camera, it had better have some size to it.
And if you need a camera system with access to high quality telephotos and telephoto zooms, micro 4/3 is a joke. If you need a 300mm f/2.8 for a weekend shoot, it’s fairly easy to rent one from a number of places if you are Canon 7D or Nikon D300s shooter. Not so with Olympus.
So is this camera really able to compete with those other pro-spec cropped frame cameras? No, of course not. Not at $1500, and not with the camera market going through some serious contractions.
FWIW….
> Olympius
thats ridiculous man
I never got to read 5% of what you wrote
Im not interested in your life story, get to the point
Hey, but with this camera you can use the best lenses of the universe without any limitations! Maybe… 😉
Yes 100% true, i think if Olympus will use two lens system on one camera take them also an short cut,…. for nothing, them so can use 1500€ on this camera will not have it, and them so will have camera will not pay this price for this.
So i think folk will wait for an E-M7 and E-7. 😀
I suggest you google/bing ‘leica m9 crop’
D300s $1,696.95
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/635645-REG/Nikon_25464_D300s_SLR_Digital_Camera.html
Is good camera, yes?
For all of those complaining about the price…You obviously are only hobbyists and don’t make money from photography. The price wil probably be $1500-$1700 (body only). I for one hope that it exceeds the listed competitors’ bodies but will still pay that price range so long as there is significant improvement from the E-5. If not, I am ready to switch to Canon tomorrow (lenses and all).
If you think that a flagship model should be the size of a point and shoot – again, you are a hobbyist. MANY clients actually do judge you by the equipment you use at times. Depending who my client is at the time I would use my Prophoto lights or Alienbees. If it is a $10K+ shoot – I rent a Phase One or Hasselblad.
Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Point and shoot sizes for Flagship Professional cameras are a pipe dream for Hobbyists.
Another arrogant bully of the usual kind, possibly a beautifier or a hairdresser…
At least a fabulous gentleman with exquisite taste an immaculate manners. Oh dear…
Couldn´t it be that the new OMD Pro got a new sensor (to heighten it´s virility)?
not really my area but logic suggests its a perfect opportunity to update as the sensor will almost certainly have pdAF, and require extensive rewiring.
Are you that Charles of the 4/3 forum who was constantly smearing Micro 4/3? LOL I understand that you and your gang are having difficult days.
However we are bringing you the Oxygen Line so that you can keep shooting your raccoons and coyotes.
(there must be a couple of birds I have forgotten)
I´m not that guy – never frequented the 4/3 forum (or dpr) or had any 4/3 gear. Did I say something bad about this new olympian jewel? It seems odd that all people complain about is the price – 1500 is not very much for a pro camera if it delivers high quality output.
No, it simply that you have no repartee, if you know what that is. Spare me the commonplaces, one must have fun.
Fact in real life is: Customers want to see a big camera, they think the bigger, the better…
Am has brought his friends…
If it has the proper ergonomics, build quality like a tank and weather sealing to match that. As well as all the other features people want, then 1500 dollars is an ok price I think. I will certainly buy it, but maybe not first day. I got kind of burned on my fingers with the poor focus peaking of the E-P5 so I will wait until the new flagship is tested before I buy.
Anyway it’s never good to preorder something that isn’t tested 😉 1’500 $ wouldn’t be so bad, but 1’500 Euros…
1.5 euro. that’s a bargain!
Small sensor camera for asian Coldplay girls. Is the true …it will suck and m43 is dead
If you don’t own an MF back (or at least a Pentax 645), you should be more humble. Let me guess…
Wow, very high prices on everything branded Olympus, why only $1500? Why settle for less when you can ask for more? By the next century an entry level P&S camera by Olmpus (with no sensor and of course no lens and no battery) will cost $12,500!
Probably Olympus is not expecting to sell a large quantity of this camera. Since a few months, Olympus has a new price policy – every camera and every lens has to be sold for a price that there will result a profit. Because of this the new 75-300 is cheaper then the one before, they sold more of the old 75-300 as expected and have seen that they can sell and produce more items, this results in lower costs and so Olympus can sell it cheaper then before. And anyway, a flaghsip has to be expensive, not? 😉
So somehow I would understand if Olympus will sell this new camera for 1’500 Euros, even if I think 1200 – 1300 would be better and they would sell more, but I would never buy it for this price, I would wait for the next cheaper E-M5 successor if I would need a new cam. But I don’t need a new cam, the E-M5 is good enough for me, even with the shutter shock problem, I need better zoom lenses from Olympus 😉
But what I really, really don’t understand is the price of the E-P5 – not weathersealed, no integrated EVF… Should be sold for 700 Euros, not more. And the E-M5 successor for about 900 body only.
So why to buy a low performance camera if are plenty of choise s better 43dead just idiot fan boys and asian girls maybe use … Lot of my asian friends can hold a dslr
Mr ShallowMan, what’s your problem if others like these cameras? Get some photos and a life
Dear Shallow DOF. If your pictures are as bad as your spelling, an old Instamatic will be good enough for you. Can’t you ask your psychiatrist to get one for you?
Your IQ and DOF have something in common.
Landscape requires large DoF.
Architecture requires large DoF.
I usually stop my FF primes down for portraits, given current high ISO performance.
You know more about Asian girls.
Ai, new Nex7 could be cheaper and is gonna be much better in every way. Easy choise.
And what kind of lenses do you use with the Sony Nex 7? Don´t say Sony lenses… they are mostly rubbish.
Charles, common be real. Sony/Zeis/Sigma have superb lenses for the Nex. And Sony keeps the new ones comming. Its just a lame excuse to stick with you’re not so good 43 system you already bought.
Admin: How about a survey asking if $1500 is too high or reasonable for the E-M1? Or perhaps $1500, $1200, vs. $1000.
Finally, an Olympus universal camera with full 43 lens PDAF (autofocus) support. Yikes, it’s been a long wait.
If the camera has initial price of $1,500 (less than venerable $1,700 E-5), is built like E-5, sets new M/FT sensor standard, and has serious sound-to-noise ratio like E-5 (i.e., gets similar rave reviews), then I think Olympus is hardly overcharging. Just the compatibility with the legendary FT lenses alone is worth the premium. Add in modern conveniences like WiFi, GPS, built-in grip, built-in dual+ batteries, and the camera fulfills its role without overlapping with the prosumer E-M5 too much (though E-M* line could stand to gain WiFi as well).
I’ll also chime in that the 5-way IBIS really begs better video — and for me that doesn’t mean 4K. Olympus, just give us better 25, 30, 50, 60p codecs (and then keep improving them so you eventually catch up with the big boys, Canon, Panasonic, Sony). It doesn’t need to be as good as BlackMagic (for now), but aim for Panasonic/Canon mirrorless/SLR video performance if you can.
This camera has been a long time coming. Finally.
I have to say – I had the E-M5 for about 3 months, and it was total crap compared to the DSLR I replaced with it. Previously, I had the GH1, the GH2, an E-PL5, and at one time – for about 2 weeks – I had a E-P2. Of those, I only regret getting rid of the GH2, although the E-PL5 had good image quality (video was awful though).
Today, I am back to the latest version of my DSLR. I don’t even have to mention the brand – any high end APS-C or low end full frame DSLR introduced in the past year is a better buy than the E-M5, and is likely to be better than anything Oly and Panny come out with for a while.
I love the way you formulated it so it seems like a real experience, well done!
“Canon and Nikon join forces in an all-out trolling attack! Schoolboys around the globe are instructed to spread the FUD about the new Olympus camera.”
Anybody who takes your post seriously deserves a D3200 with a kit lens and an ice cream (great camera, usually too good for the people that buy one, anyway).
I thought it was just a nice camera, but this whole OBS thing really makes some people act funnily. Fear of yet another Olympus classic?
Well said. I would be very unsurprised to find out that Canon et al are paying for a public misinformation campaign. Its a common business tactic these days.
Any aps-c better that is true …even aps-c from two years ao is al. About the tiny little sensor fuji smash all m43 now new fuji sensors Sony ff son. Canin release new eos m 43 is dead is dead is dead hahahhhah
1300 $ gh3 reaction= ridiculous, way too expensive, lol, giant camera, needs to be 500 $ cheaper
1500 $ em7 reaction= I dont care about the price, if it has fuji high iso then ok, I expected it to be higher, its cheaper than e5, if it has pro video then acceptable
This place is a continuous source of amazement.
Are you 100% shure that those statements are made by exactly the same persons, or are that what it looks like through a pair of Panny fanboyglasses?
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