As you know Schneider is considering to develop a new 30mm f/1.4 and 60mm f/2.4 macro lens. These lenses should be unveiled in 2013. But is that what 43rumor readers do want? What would you want from Schneider?
Consider that:
1) Schneider will make prime lenses (not zooms) for now
2) The lenses will be expensive (1.000-1.5000 Euro)
3) They will high super high quality, autotofcus but no in body stabilization
Take into account the three points and let me know what lens the Germans should make to convince you to spend your money! Comment this post!
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Ultrawides or supertelephotos. Ideally a 7mm or 8mm f/2.8 and a 150mm f/2.8.
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Also good would be 45mm or 55mm f/1.4
TBH an f1.2 35 would be fantastic. Also a fast prime with an fl of 100 would be great for those covering events that require intimate shots.from.a distance…i.e. A press conference.
17mm 2.0 fast focus, high quality, depth of field scale.
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Perhaps f/1.7.
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+1 for a f/1.7 (pancake). One can dream… 😛
f/1.6 please! f/1.7 is for pussies.
+1. Weathersealed (this kind of lens is great in bars).
I second that. A fast 17mm with a depth of field scale. f/1.4 would be awesome, f/1.7 good, f/2 still ok. At Schneider’s price point, open aperture should be razor sharp corner to corner.
Something longer than 150 prime. Since there are no other lenses like it so schneider can basically charge whatever price they want, remember that schneider
If it is not a zoom lens, standard range lenses are adequate. Personally, I don’t prefer wide lenses, so
17mm(or 20mm)/f1.4 is the most preferable choice!
The cheaper, the better.
Go, Schneider!
wider than 17, even if it’s f3.5 or 4. I’m talking like, 8mm, preferably. Distortion is no problemo, we all have software now.
1 We need a superb 11mm f/2.0 or faster “walking around lens” (The Oly 12mm is not quite wide enough for many things.)
2) We also need a superb 300mm f/2.8 for wildlife with rapid (lightweight, internal) autofocus.
30/1.4 and 60/2.4 macro would be much more appropriate for APS-C cameras. Leave them to Sigma and concentrate on truly useful m4/3 glass. 17/1.7 and 65/1.8 would be lovely.
Well, as a long time still shooter and only a film maker for the last 15 years, I can tell you this:
Prime lenses are primarily for STILL. If the macro capability is top notch, those will be my tabletop and CU STUDIO lenses.
Primes are of course, useful for movie making too but they require rigid framing decisions and story-boarding that essentially spells, bigger budget and MUCH slower on-set production.
Unless the 4/3 sensor is capable of 4K raw capture, there’s no point in the high end primes for something like the GH2. For more ‘professional’ 4/3 cameras, the ROI might make sense.
Assuming the GH3 stays a 2K/1080p sensor, then the upcoming Lumix fixed aperture zooms are the film makers choice. Now if Schneider wants to compete in THAT space with say the same zoom ranges but closer minimum focus AND f2.0 then they’d have a market in the 4/3 space.
12mm f2.8 PC
90mm f2.8 macro with tripod collar
150mm f2.8 with tripod collar
Let me know when they’re ready, so I can sell a kidney to pay for them.
I support the 12mm PC (for those who don’t know PC means perspective correction in the Nikon world, aka a shift lens). That would be great for architecture !
3) They will high super high quality, autotofcus but no in body stabilization
especially, prime lens with wide f-stop such as 12mm f1.2-1.4, 16mm f1.2-1.4, 50mm f1.0-1.2
Fast aperture on a wide angle lens doesn’t make a lot of sense. F2 or F2.8 is already enough, especially if you think to the E-M5 better IBIS, better sensor, you can shoot at much lower speed. As for out of focus blurr. It doesn’t make much sens for a wide angle lens. Plus those wide aperture would make for a big big lens. Not needed on this system.
17mm f/1.4 but keep it small
Honestly, I can’t see the m43 market for premium (expensive) lenses. If Schneider is willing to drop the price to ~900 like Oly 75mm 1.8 -which is rumoured to be the best m43 lens-, then I can see their potential. Even Oly 75mm is pushing the Oly’s luck too far. It’s too expensive when the similar 85mm 1.8G Nikon which has bigger circle, is half of that.
For that price range, 25mm f1.2 or faster; 45mm f1.4 or faster will be more reasonable (roughly the same price as Canon 50L and 85L).
m43 lens manufacturers, seriously, get more reasonable with the lens price! For most professionals, m43 is just a secondary system. Which one do you think we’ll be willing to spend, Oly 75mm 1.8 OR Nikon 135mm DC Or Canon 135L?
+1, basically agree. But some mount Leica M-lenses on mFT and I’m sure there is a market for Schneider too, but very small at the moment. Maybe that’s OK for Schneider.
+10 Yes, Leica M and L mount lenses are a really good alternative. They tend to be a bit smaller than 135 format lenses, so are better matched for small M4/3 bodies.
Of course, they’re manual lenses with manual focus, but honestly if you take a little time to learn to focus manually, there are many times… NOT ALL … when manual focus is more efficient and exact that AF.
25mm f/1
I don’t think the PanaLeica is fast enough, or special enough.
Metal barrel, with direct-feeling MF with DOF scale. I’m sure it’s possible. If it is going to warrant the price it has to be special.
Weather-proof of course, in black AND silver.
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Any f/1 (or f/0.95 etc) autofocus lens, preferably of a 35-50mm equiv length, would be a real game-changer for m4/3. People are already paying well over $1000 for the Voigtlanders without autofocus, so Schneider could charge even more for theirs.
50mm f1.4 to complete their line up.
These lenses are too rich for me and I will never buy them no matter what they make (just being honest).
But I do agree with those who say that 17mm is a gap, but I would like to see oly fill the gap along hte lines of their other primes.
The pancake was good to test the new format, but now that the format is proven, they need to upgrade this lens.
I agree. Super fast lenses are useful and people are prepared to pay a big premium for CV products. Offering AF would be unique and differentiate from the good P&O premium lenses in the £600-£800 range. PLEASE design the lenses for mft though. Lenses that are double the size and designed for APSC may be ok for Sigma but not at £1500. Given Schneider are a low volume producer, they should be capable of small production runs.
10mm f2.8 at the very least, faster would be better.
400mm f2.8 internal focus for nature stuff.
There are already two lenses that hit 300mm and there are several high quality manual lenses available at 300mm. Variety is better than duplication.
100mm or 150mm f2 macro (1:1)
I hope they make them with good manual focus capabilities and NOT focus-by-wire garbage!
10mm f2.8 would be great!!! but I’m not willing to pay over 1000 euros for it….
+1000 dollars
Me either, unless it were spectacular.
You can still buy a Nikon 20mm f2.8 AI-S lens by special order for about $675. I bought one 20+ years ago ($400+) and would love something like that in a native 10mm M4/3 lens.
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/1415/NIKKOR-20mm-f%252F2.8.html
Pancake 17mm f under 2
Or 30/45mm pancake
wide high quality prime 8mm (+/- 0.5mm), f2.8 but f4 would still be ok
long high quality macro lense – ideally something like the Zeiss 100mm f2.0 macro (not real macro only 1:2 but that’s fine for me) but for MFT it must get smaller and if neccessary, I am willing to sacrifice the f2.0 for f2.8
something between the Nokton 17.5 f/0.95 and the Oly 17 f/2.8. Let’s say 17.5mm f2.0 with AF and high image quality, relatively compact but probably not pancake and not for 1000+ Euro, so this one is rather for Sigma (or for Pany?)
It seems to me that the focal lengths of greatest interest would be 10-12mm, 25mm, and 45-50mm. Why not offer a 25mm lens with f/1.2 or faster? Why not offer a 45mm f/1.4? A real macro 1:1 with actual focal length of at least 100mm would also be welcome. I don’t understand the rationale for the odd focal lengths such as 19mm or 30mm.
m4/3 already has glass that is very good optically. To warrant the prices that Schneider wants to charge, the lenses must offer something more — a unique shooting experience.
My take on that is, just like many others who have posted: mechanical manual focus and metal construction in a lens that also has fast AF. (I recognize the Oly 12mm fits the bill, but that is just one lens.) Weather sealed would of course be a plus and something that I’m sure EM-5 (and GH3?) owners will look for.
If it’s possible with the m4/3 standard, an electronic aperture control ring on the lens would be amazing.
Offer this in a 9mm (2.8 or better) and a 17mm (1.4 or better), and I promise Schneider that I will buy one or both of them.
25/f1
17/f1.4
10/f2.8
BUT they have to be very, very good.
If they’re selling premium lenses, they need to sell them in ranges that are traditionally considered premium, and aren’t filled well by the existing line-up. That screams for a long telephoto, north of 100mm, suitable for wildlife and sports work. How about a 105mm f/1.8 or so?
Weather sealing would be wonderful as well, sliding the lenses into must-have territory for many who are looking to take their kit more seriously.
17mm f1.4, 25mm f1.0, 45mm f1.0. All low distortion , CA and flare. All 3 under 1500-1800 a piece.
8mm f2.8
12mm f2
17mm f1.4
25mm F1.4
43mm f1.4
100mm f2.8
12 or 12.5mm F1.1 with autofocus. I don’t care about the size, I don’t mind Nokton 17.5mm or Oly 75mm size. Black. The price? Up to 1500 EUR.
I’d like a 9 or 10 mm f/2.8 AF lens for no more than $600. I want that lens to have MF, a DOF scale, and a definitive infinity focus setting.
If that’s too much to ask for $600, then I want this to be a Rodenstock lens. 😉
I am with you in asking for a 9mm, 10mm, or 10.5mm, which need not be fast, given that neither motion blurr nor bokeh are issues at those focal lengths. I would be perfectly pleased if Schneider could slightly widen the image circle of their 10.5mm Cinegon to cover M43, even if that might mean reducing its max. aperture. F2.8 or even F4 are perfectly okay, as long as the lens remains affordable.
+1+1
Isn’t it funny how m43 readers complaine about have too many lenses with similiar focal length, but still everyone is wishing for lenses with already existing focal lengths, like 17, 20
we are brats…we all want fast autofocus and faster glass
That and when a better quality, fast AF lens is announced… Oly 75mm, Panasonic 12-35mm … bitch about the price. You can’t win…
3.5/150mm Tele Xenar. ( weathersealing would be a plus)
(all in 35mm equivalence)
21mm f1.4
24mm f1.4
35mm f1.4
or faster like f1.0
the new em5 is a perfect replacement for the leica M series, IMHO. discreet, small, fast, but it needs lenses to support it like the leica M has.
why pay for a premium lens unless you get a premium tool? the whole point of 4/3rds and now m4/3rds is the capacity to produce smaller (which means less expensive) and faster lenses. oly only showed this with a handful of lenses and failed miserably with the 7-14 f4.0, it should have been at least f2.8. wide/fast lenses are perfect for low light environments, and there are very few that are available. the above lenses are expensive but exist for full frame from other companies, and they don’t exist for m4/3. that makes it potentially desirable, and it makes sense that schneider would sell reasonbly well in that same context.
Smaller does not always mean cheaper. I am no lens expert, but I suspect it is pretty expensive to produce a m43 lens of super wide aperture and super high quality.
100-150mm f/2.8 macro 1:1
12/1.4
17/1.4
50/1.4
Any of PSE/TSE native lenses.
+1 If PanaLeica moved to broaden their offerings to a full suite of lenses, that would be the ticket for the OM5.
17mm F2
300mmF2.8
400mmF4
fast (f2.8) ultra wide (non-fisheye), somewhere around 14mm full-frame equivalent
A 100mm/f1,4 or f2,0, a 150mm/f2,0 a 7mm/f2,8 or f3,0 fisheye (could be also 7,5 or 8mm, just to make a difference to Pana/Leica) and a 10 or 11mm/f2,0 would be fine primes.
Pour moi le 14mm et parfait… Il ne me manque juste qu’un 10mm , avec une ouverture au moins de 2…
et bien sur un prix contenu… La je pense que tout le monde sera d’accord avec moi.
Telephoto lens 300mm F2.0 with inner focusing , Pancake lens 12mm F1.4 & 35mm F1.1 . All these are my dream lenses .
Let’s see if Schneider can realize my dreams .
9-11 mmm, 2.8 with close focusing range < 20 cm
11 or 12 mm shift (needs no AF)
Also, with a focusing scale and DOF indication.
Quality always matters in determining how well a product will sell. I would rather pay 20%-50% more for a better quality prime lens, particularly at the most challenging focal lengths where it is hard to make a good imaging quality –and compact!– zoom lens.
While upcoming Panasonic 35-100mm and 12-35mm f/2.8 are in my wish list, two high-quality primes I would be happy to add: 1. extra-wide angle one (with focal length of 10mm or less), and 2. a good normal portrait lens (between 25 and 40mm with focal ratio f/1.2 or brighter).
I care less if it would be S-K or Sigma, or any other manufactures which are capable to design a good quality prime with the quick and reliable AF and convenient manual focus.
If they make an 8mm f2.8 (or better) weather sealed lens I will most definitely buy one.
Honestly people don’t realise that they want a 30mm f1.4 or even better f1.2. I’m silly excited for this lens, the slight increase in focal length and the extreme fastness would offer a true narrow depth of feild at normal ranges plus complement the 20 f1.7 that many if not nearly all m43ders have. Make this lens, make it with extreme quality, charge $1,500 for it and watch as it wins people over, I’d buy it in a second in fact I’ve put off getting the 25mm f1.4 for this lens, that offers ok narrow depth of feild at reasonably close distances but make a 30mm f1.2 and we’re talking about truly competing against FF for its main advantage.
Personally I love 40mm equiv and 60mm equiv, I’m on love with the 45mm (90mm) i just bought too.
People don’t realise 30mm f1.2 is the true way to go. It is and I will follow, it’ll be the true must have lens.
Uh, why is 30mm THE way to go? Because you say so?
I dom’t like the 60mm field of view, never did, and I never end up using it with zooms.
Good for you that you like it, but you aren’t exactly representative for the majority of photographers.
12-60mm f 2.8 !!
You didn’t read what I wrote.
The reason is because it’s long enough and fast enough to offer a very narrow DoF but yet wide enough to be a normal lens.
A good quality T/S adapter. I have reasons to believe they might have seen a prototype 2 years ago.
I am simply not interested in the 14/2 or similar. Sigma are bound make better and decently priced lenses.
Same for me please… no interest in a 14mm F2.
Any how, at such a price, it will be hard to convince me to spend my money. I think, the 43 12-60 was the most expansive lens I ever bough (~800 €)
I’d like a very high quality standard, like a 25mm F0.95, with the same build quality as the Voigtlander and AF.
I would also consider a télé lens like a 55mm F1.4, for portraits.
I’m very disappointed with the idea of a 30mm, that’s useless!
You fail at photography
30mm useless… Why do you think so, because other people said so. Might as well jump from 14 to 25 to 45 in every zoom lens, get rid of the useless in betweens…
Sad people propagating the myth they heard from someone else “oh everyone thinks so, so it must be true”. When they choose focal lengths originally they had to guess, then find big enough gaps to warrant making another lens that would sell, 60mm could have quite easily been normal, then what, “oh 50mm is useless” rrr
An Ultra-Ultra Wide 5-10mm F2.8 FisheyeZoom similar to the Canon 8-15 for Full Frame. Nobody is covering this range. 180 degrees fish down to 140 rectilinear. I’ll take one please. $1300
I want a 35mm f/1.2 weathersealed.
I mean 35 equivalent… that is I want a 18mm f/1.2 weathersealed. Could accept up to f/1.4 if it’s somehow pancakish.
The point is now that I have my EM5, I new a walkaround beerproof lens for it… 😛
What I want is a 10.5mm f2/2.8. Would be lovely
A 200mm and a 300mm f/4
My suggestion to Schneider would be to split their offerings into 2 price categories: one for supreme quality and high price, and the other for above medium quality for those who use their camera’s for travelling (like me), favorably just above half the price of the premium offering. There should be easily distinguishable differences between the price categories like quality to justify the price and choice.
The premium quality can contain ultra fast glass and great wide angle, hence a prime under the prime’s.
Further I would like Schneider to ask if they can make a combined prime/macro lens?
Schneider K has its manufacture in Germany. They can only produce top high grade glass given the cost of work and buildings etc.
11/2.8
17.5/1.4
65/1.8
10TS/3.5
10mm f2.8 (20mm wide equivalent)
40-45mm f1.4 (Portrait), not too expensive ($800-1000), as a step up from Oly 45mm f1.8.
I want a 17mm 1.8 with fast AF. If you make it super high quality and throw in a lens hood and pouch, I might consider primium price for it. But really, I’d be happy with a high quality lens for closer to $500.
Yeah we’d all like a Leica 35mm f1.8 for $600
Geez the amount of people not getting it…
i get it. i’m saying i don’t need a Leica. the 45mm 1.8 is $300. so i just need something like that, at 17mm.
do you get that?
I want an auto-focus lens with an aperture of f/1.0 and a focal length between 17mm and 25mm (I would prefer 19mm or 20mm).
2.8/150
4/300
100 Macro
8mm f2.8 > I agree! We need a fast (very) wide angle.
17mm f1.4 > we need a fast 35mm equivalent with AF for street under 700$
60mm f1.1 > we need something like the Canon 85mm f/1.2, but between the Oly 45mm and the Oly 75mm.
150mm f2.8 > we need a fast tele!
200mm f3.5 > we need a fast tele!!
300mm f4.0 > we need a fast tele!!!
500mm f4.8 > we need a fast tele!!!!
Here’s the list of already available lenses :
12mm 2 2 Olympus
14mm 2,5 2,5 Panasonic
17mm 2,8 2,8 Olympus
19mm 2,8 2,8 Sigma
20mm 1,7 1,7 Panasonic
25mm 1,4 1,4 Panasonic
30mm 2,8 2,8 sigma
45mm 1,8 1,8 Olympus
75mm 1,8 1,8 Olympus
45mm 2,8 2,8 Panasonic
60mm 2,8 2,8 Olympus
8mm 3,5 3,5 Panasonic
12,5mm 12 12 Panasonic
7-14mm 4 4 Panasonic
9-18mm 4 5,6 Olympus
14-42mm 3,5 5,6 Olympus
14-42mm 3,5 5,7 Panasonic
14-42mm 3,5 5,8 Panasonic
14-45mm 3,5 5,9 Panasonic
12-50mm 3,5 6,3 Olympus
12-35mm 2,8 2,8 Panasonic
35-100mm 2,8 2,8 Panasonic
14-140mm 3,5 5,8 Panasonic
14-150mm 3,5 5,6 Olympus
40-150mm 4 5,6 Olympus
45-175mm 4 5,6 Panasonic
45-200mm 4 5,6 Panasonic
75-300mm 4,8 6,7 Olympus
100-300mm 4 5,6 Panasonic
The only thing we really need is a wide angle shift lens. Super sharp in the corners, but not necessarily very fast. That is for architecture shooting and would be appreciated by all photographers working in the field (travel photography comes to mind, not only architecture photography, landscape photographers for mountains and cliff landscapes, etc..) many applications.
Too expensive for me but if I had the money a 7 or 8 mm f2.8 or even f4 as I would use it for landscape, I need DOF and can use a tripod when light is low…
OH MAN
This is amateur hour!!!!!
Do any of you have real jobs that require you to think before you speak?!? Be constructive instead of ridiculous…
This is a premium lens maker, they’re not going to make separate lines, or cheap/affordable lens, if you talk rubbish they definitely won’t listen *cringe*
Just so good we have YOU to counsel us.
go back to your professional rumour site
In the world of M4/3 format, I think that 17mm is the weakest point, and should be considered as the priority requirement. I strongly prefer 17mm/f1.4 with auto focus.
The existing one from Olympus is mediocre. The other one from Voigtlander is very nice but too expensive and manually focused.
1) shift or tilt/shift wide angle
2) tilt or tilt/shift macro
9-10mm Shift (Tilt not needed that much)
+1!
Maybe 12mm is enough, provided you can shift around 10mm in every direction.
Ultrawide around 9 mm with these featueres:
– pleasing bokeh
– filter thread like other m43 lenses (58, 52 or 46 mms)
– high-quality, regardless of size
What bokey with a 9mm on an mft format ? There won’t be any out of focus area with such a wide lens !
I would hope for something not yet made available
25mm f0.8 or even f0.7 to get equivalent bokeh of a 50mm f1.6 or f1.4 on a full frame.
Perhaps a more realistic suggestion would be 30mm f1.0
m43 really needs some ultra fast lenses.
Should be weather sealed of course 🙂
Don’t burn me please, but first and foremost I’d like lenses for NEX.
I’d like in 35mm equivalent:
the rumored 21mm f2
then a 50mm f1.4 or slower pancake
a 35mm f1.4 better than the Zeiss or slower pancake
Lenses should not be too big ! 60mm or even 50mm barrel length is the limit.
We don’t need the 60mm macro, Olympus is already doing it !
I want a 17mm f1.4, or better if possible 17mm f1.2 !
17mm f/2
200mm f/4
12mm F2.8 PC !!!
23mm F2.8 T/S !!
90mm F2.0 !
I’ll try to make it simple:
a) some (super) wide angle lens ~ max 1000$
b) some (super) macro lens ~ max 800$
c) some very long lens ~ max 1500$
I don’t mind the aperture values as long as image quality and price are in a good balance.
1000$ is a magical border for me. Everything above needs really good arguments.
I think that m4/3 would possibly become a great platform for professional wedding photography: small and inobtrusive system, good and fast lenses.
The problem is that nowaday the system lacks what full frame can deliver: tiny DOF with (for example) an 85 F1.4 for bridal portraiture.
To have a comparable lens (not actually the same because of the 2 stop more DOF of the m4/3 system), schneider should make a 45 f/0.95 all metal, weather sealed body with a great bokeh and a price point near 1200 euros.
Another useful lens would be a 17 F0.95 and a 60 F/1.8 1:1 macro (not F/2.4!) or a 8mm F/2.8.
I think that a 30 F/1.4 is something that none would consider buying for 1000 euros or more: too pricey (the panaleica 25 F/1.4 costs only 500 euros and it’s a spectacular lens even if it’s not a metal body lens) and a strange focal lens in my opinion.
The 60 macro is too similar to that Olympus will give us in some months; so again, too pricey and not so brighter than Olympus’ sibling.
Collectively speaking, the above comments would reflect that everyone is dissatisfied with nearly every m43 lens ever made.
I’m very satisfied of the Olympus Om-D and all the lenses that I bought: 12 F/2, 25 F/1.4 PanaLeica and 45 F/1.8 Oly.
I’d consider buying a macro lens and the Oly 75 F/1.8 in the future to fullfill my photographic needs.
Overall I think the m4/3 system is wonderful (and I spent a lot of money to pursue this convinction!).
People will never be satisfied. no matter what a manufacturer comes up with.
Now they are pleased (me as well) to state their wishes. The reality will catch us once the people know what they would have to pay for such wishes 🙂
100-150mm f/2.8 macro 1:1
Wide fast prime. Nuff said.
+1 A fast wide prime, 7, 8 or 9mm. Built it and I’ll buy it.
+1, but 200mm f4 would even be better
I recently bough an OM 200 mm f/4.0. It is not a such big lens (length 127 mm) but slightly heavy (500 g). It is a nice complement to slow telezoom. So, +1 for something similar in sizes with AF.
Primes:
– 9mm/2,8
– 17mm/1,4
– 100mm/1,8 sealed
– 150mm/2.0 sealed with bracket
– 90mm/2.8 macro, sealed, with bracket
I know, zooms are not in focus of Schneider, but i would really like to see Schneider Professional Af-Zooms for m43. My wishes:
– 12-60/2.0-2,8 sealed
– 35-200/2.0 sealed with bracket
– 100-200/2.8 sealed with bracket
For me personally, m43 is not about longer lenses, although I acknowledge the “reach” argument. The big gap in my m43 outfit is 10/2.8, but your suggestion of a 9/2.8 would also be very acceptable. 17/1.4 would also be useful. Schneider have a good reputation for ultra wides in larger formats, and neither of the major players in m43 seem to want to go particularly wide, so surely this would be a viable niche for Schneider to develop.
Nothing! It will be tooooooooooo expensive:)
+1
I agree, but at that price they should certainly be sealed for me to even consider it.
Too expensive for me too, but I like that there are top end lenses available for this system so pro (or just rich 🙂 ) photographers are attracted to the system as well as peasants like me. The more range there is available the better.
The only lens that may tempt me would be a 17mm f1.4, but I think (hope) Oly will fill that gap eventually.
………….so that’s cleared that one up for Schneider. Good to see the usual level of consensus over lens requirements and all 100% realistic. :-p
a 10.5mm ( 21mm equivalent) f2.8
Really, there is no need for such expensive lenses for a mirrorless system. I can justify expensive lenses for a proper FF system, but not for mirrorless.
If it sells, thats the only justification needed by the manufacturer.
zzzzzz
Why not?
A fast lens between 90 and 105mm, means 180 – 210 mm equivalent, f 2.8 or faster, I would buy immediately, if available. This is missing for m43, also 150 and/or 200mm, f 4.0, or faster as well. All zoom lenses between 45/75 – 175/200/300mm are only mediocre until now.
Which lenses would I pay for so much money? The daily standard and the wide open Portrait.
25mm f1.0
50 o. 60mm f1.0
Doesnt Voightlander already make the excellent 25mm f0.95? Although not AF 🙁
Of course, it’s a fantastic lens, but it’s so,so difficult the rotate the focus ring.
A 7-7.5-8mm prime lens, preferably not too slow.
My wishes:
Super Angulon f5,6 6mm (no fish Eye, 120°)
Super Angulon f2 10mm
Super Angulon Shift f4 12mm
Super Angulon f1,2 or f1,4 17mm
Xenotar f1,2 25mm
Xenotar f2 100mm
Apo Tele Xenar f2,8 180mm (I like my Leica – but it is without AF)
Tele Xenar ED f4,5 300mm
Tele Xenar ED f5,6 400mm
Wheatersealing would be fine.
Unspectacular lenses which are affordable are also very welcome. Please think about producing them by a partner in Asia.
Please: no 60mm macro, the version of Olympus will be good enough and cheaper.
And: a Variogon would also be fine. That used to be a strength of Schneider Kreuznach.
+1
Plus one for the 12mm F4 shift lens. This sounds like very reasonnable specifications. This would be my top priority. For the rest I’m already more than covered and what is still available suits me well.
Why not a 12mm with both Tilt and Shift?
Tilt is used mainly in order to increase DOF on full frame or view cameras. Given the large DOF of mft sensors on wide lenses, it is not really usefull on a wide mft lens.
Also, it would add bulk and weight. The result would be a uselessly bigger and heavier lens, which is contrary to the philosophy of the mft format.
Some encouraged by the popularity of the lensbabies may want to use tilt in order to blurr part of the picture, but it can be done afterward in photoshop, since there is no fear of loosing data : this is the goal.
10mm (20mm AOV)
12mm Olympus
14mm (28mm AOV) announced
17mm (34mm AOV)
20mm (40mm AOV)
25mm Panasonic
30mm Sigma
45mm Olympus
45mm (90mm AOV) super high grade
60mm Olympus
75mm Olympus
85mm (170mm AOV) Let Samyang have it
90mm (180mm AOV)
100mm (200mm AOV)
And you will buy all these if they make them? At a total price of 15000-20000 euro?
I would respectfully disagree that micro 4/3 is not about long lenses; with the advent of the EM-5, it should become possible to envision a broad range of functions as part of a long term ability to replace larger systems. From the standpoint of an outdoors (nature) photographer, obvious candidates would include 180/200 mm f/2.8 (see Canon and Nikon examples for compact lenses) and 300 F/4 (see everybody’s; my old OM-series 300 4.5 is quite compact). Even a 400/5/6 (a la Canon) would be very welcome and useful. All of these are full-frame lenses, so shrinking them somewhat should not be impossible. WIldlife photographers have always been willing to pay more for (relatively) long, fast lenses. This range is clearly the principal void in the micro-4/3 system.
While I love my Olympus 150 f/2 dearly, I don’t think that is would be possible to shrink it significantly for micro-4/3. It’s cost would also be a bit daunting as well.
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8mm (about eqv 15-16mm) f/4.5 or faster (rectilinear)
10-11mm (about eqv 21mm) f/3.5 or faster
17-18mm (about eqv 35mm) f/1.8 or faster
30mm (eqv 60mm) f/3.5 or faster MACRO
Didn’t state over-ambitious lens apertures in the hope of getting more compact (and slightly cheaper) lenses with (possibly better) image quality
Yes I know there are differences but… The Nikon 135mm f2.0 DC is much much smaller than the oly 150 and it projects a much much larger image circle so… come on oly show me the lens and I’ll show you the money!
I’d like to see:
– 10mm f2.8 Pancake, not to expensive
– 10mm f1.0–2.0, as good as can be
– 17mm f2.8 Pancake, not to expensive
– 17mm f1.0–2.0, as good as can be
– 25mm f2.0
– 50mm f2.0–2.8 Pankcake, not to expensive
– 50mm f1.0, as good as can be
– 90mm f2.0 Macro, as good as can be
All weathersealed, all with metal finish, and all with fast AF, just like the new Olympus lenses. The Pancakes as small/compact alternatives to carry around (almost) every day, the faster and bigger ones as top-notch tools.
Maybe there’s a bit of gap between 25mm and 50mm, and between 50mm and 90mm.
I’d really like to see that. And I’d like to have the money to buy that.
I would wish some wideangle primes – a 7mm which is not to expensive with filter thread.
I am very happy with the lenses that I have. (10 of them, all AF from Oly and Panny, fisheye to 175mm (350mm equiv.)..8 are really good primes one slower zoom at the short end and one slower zoom at the long end). I would like to say a 10.5mm f/2 but I really, most likely would not spend the money. I do have the Panasonic 7-14mm zoom and for this system I would not spend that kind of money on a prime I don’t believe. Like someone said above..I would reserve that kind of expenditure for my full-frame camera. I still need both systems. MFT is GREAT…but it does not have it all.
I would like to say a 150mm or 200mm prime (300-400mm equiv.)…but I do not think I would want an expensive prime lens at a long focal length without IS. I think once you get into that realm you need dedicated IS for the lens. Don’t know if the IBIS in the OM-D would cut it. Not sure.
I second. Right now, if you want something premium in the tele range, you need to look at 43 HG/SHG lenses with adapter.
Also, it kills me when I read all this inferiority complex, where high grade lenses supposedly are not for m43. I don’t need, therefore you don’t…
+1 for a 10mm
Schneider should:
— study how many *real* potential customers there are. I mean pro customers who can pay for their lenses. They should not listen to impulsive wishes from people like myself for whom sufficient good, but reasonable lenses are sought. (Ok: I may buy the 75/1.8, but I won’t pay much more for a lens…)
— if they make one with a (close to) existing focal range, it needs to be *significantly* better than other offerings at lower prizes. Of course, if it will double as a NEX lens, they have more freedom…
— they should find wholes in the lens catalog. Lenses that no-one else produces. Like a tilt/shift lens. A macro lens with focal length > 100 mm, a tele lens > 300 mm, etc. (Re: macro, tele: are Schneider known for solid/weather sealed lenses??)
please no 60mm macro => oly has one soon
please no 30mm => pl 25mm 1,4 is very very good
please make somethin special like a wa tilt/shift, uwa prime
This was my thoughts too, but then, there is not much else missing from the general lens options now.
A fast 17mm AF is about the only thing that would probably interest me from them realistically. I’d rather get a 60mm macro from Olympus due to budget reasons.
2.0/10mm (or a 2.0/9mm) would be nice 🙂
A really sharp 1.0/45mm or 1.0/50mm, too
10mm F2.8
17mm F1.4
90mm F2.8 Macro
150mm F2.8
300mm F3.5
Basicly all the lenses missing from the m43 line up!
There are lots of lenses: wide, normal and short telephoto. Bud I still miss some real tele-lens: 200/2.8, 300/4 or 400/5.6. Pana 100-300 is OK but 300mm@5.6 isn’t enough.
I home sigma will make some telephoto – prime or zoom (100-300/4 or 120-300/2.8)
need a 17.5 f/1.4 pancake
and 75 f/1.8 black lens…..
Telephoto, please! 150-200mm and pretty fast. I’d pay a bunch for that!
No-brainer: Please Schneider, make us a wide-angle shift lens.
Max. aperture f/4 is enough, focal length 14mm (my personal preference, but I’ll take anything between 10mm and 18mm), AF not mandatory, auto-diaphragm not mandatory, very nice if lens would transmit EXIF data.
Plus one ! Yes, we need a wide angle shift lens. F4 is OK for me too. But focal length between 10 and 12mm or at maximum 14mm, but not longer. A 36mm equivalent is useless for architecture or almost useless. A 28mm equivalent is already a little long, especially if the shift is available.
The reason I may want a TS wide lens is for ludicrous deep DoF landscaping.
With a wide angle (12mm and shorter) you get already so much DOF that tilt won’t add much : you will be limited by atmospheric haze rather than by the lack of DOF. A 12mm at F5.6 will be in focus from 0.75m up to infinite ! You may need it with longer lens, but not with a wide angle
I’m addicted to apertures f/2.4ish and bigger. Most of these can be found in legacy glass, cheaper than their contemporary counterpart. For a long time I really wanted the 14-54mm or 12-60mm from olympus for m43, but for event work, there’s never enough light. I’d begrudingly choose a 50/1.4 over a short fast zoom.
For my B camera though, there’s one contemporary lens I love for its flex, and there exists no legacy counterpart. It’s the workhorse B camera lens.
14-140mm f/2.8-4
I’d really want it constant at f/2.8, lol. Would be huge, expensive, and incredibly unlikely considering the 12-35 and 35-100. A guy can dream…
200MM F2.8 please
I would like to see a good 500mm lens for bird photography.
Currently there is no good quality lens in that focal range for the fours-thirds or micro four-thirds.
Ram
Something like Canon lenes is necessary:
400mm f/5.6L (equiv. 800mm)
100-400mm f/4-5.6L (equiv. 200-800mm)
70-200mm f/4L (eqiv. 140-400mm)
300mm f/4L (equv. 600mm)
but much smaller, lighter and cheaper (it will be m43 not FF)
10mm f2.0 and 12mm f1.4…please!
You don’t really need that fast on an wide angle lens, because you can shoot at lower speed without any motion blurr. Then you have IBIS and better ISO if you get the E-M5.
If you want to play on shallow DOF, a wide angle is not what you need. Plus fast aperture makes wide angle lenses very big. This is not what we need for MFT.
Using my OM-D and the SLR Magic 12mm F1.6 (stopped down to ~F1.8 to avoid flares) I can shoot dancing people in not so well lit clubs at 1/30-1/50 in the ISO 1000-8000 range.
Above 1/30 people are starting to blur even at 12mm if they are moving fast enough, so this is not an option.
So it’s really dangerous to assume nobody needs something because you do need it. At least one person will always need it for some reason. 😉
Of course, the obvious question is: Are there enough people who need a type of lens and are willing to pay?
As for 12mm F1.4, i don’t think so, since there are already 2 bright 12mm lenses out there.
Personally i’d love a 10mm/F2.0 (or wider and brighter), but i assume that would be expensive and not too many people would buy it.
You can buy a tilt-shiftadapter for MFT and a old Sigma 3,5 14mm (e.g. for Nikon). Wouldn’t that be a Solution?
Those Sigma lenses are huge, add the adapter and I prefer to use my Canon TSE on the 5D. Also they are not so easy to find and at such focal you can get plenty of IQ problems. No, we need a dedicated shift lens, adapted to the philosophy of mft, aka not too big.
You might not need it, others do. Please don’t tell others what they should want based on your limited requirements.
There’s more than slow wideangle and fast portrait lenses in photography.
Ever done night photography, e.g. landscapes at night with stars in the sky, with one of those slow wideangle lenses? Not much fun…
The mZuiko 12/2.0, Nokton 17/0.95, Nokton 25/0.95, Pana 25/1.4 are all well suited for such a task. Something in the ultrawide range, like a 9mm, would be a great addition.
15mm 2.0 shift and 10mm 2.8 shift
shift should be 8mm
I would spend 2000 eur on these lenses right away.
Not that I would buy any of those but since they are expensive… some video buyers would buy them and they are needed for the credibility.
9mm f2.8
12mm f3.5 tilt shift (people would say it would be big but would still be much smaller than canon 24mm f3.5 TS)
24mm f0.95 AF
60mm f1.2
100mm f2
150mm f2.8
200mm f2.8
300mm f4
The only thing I want badly is a 10mm or 12mm shift lens.
A lens showing good uniformity, not one where the sharpness sink dramatically in the corners, I prefer uniformity from center to corner, to extremely sharp center with soft corners. That shift lens doesn’t need to be very fast : F2.8 or F3.5 or even F4 would be OK for me.
We don’t need tilt on a wide angle mft lens. Only shift for architecture shooting. This hopefully will allow Schneider K to keep the lens lighter and more compact, to stay more in line with the philosophy of the mft format. I’m ready to buy such a lens even if it cost 1000-1500$
Concerning a 12mm F3.5 Tilt Shift : the tilt is not really needed on an mft wide angle lens : it has a huge DOF already. Implementing only shift would allow the manufacturing of a smaller lens, more compatible with the mft philosophy.
I see you explained your reasoning in this post. I have to disagree, the ability to adjust focus plane with Tilt is in my opinion a lot more important than size!
especially since we are near diffraction territory already with a 12mm f3.5… if you want to get all the resolution possible out of a future 30MP+ m43 camera landscape, it will require tilts at wide-open apertures.
You are kidding, right ? Or are you seriously considering 30mega for an mft sensor ? Also, my 12mm is pretty goog at smaller aperture, I was surprised to see the good performance at F8
I can not see that difraction has anything to do with this.
+1
Make it a real TS. It will be used on a tripod anyways.
Xenar 180mm f/2.8
None, it is a waste of money with these tiny sensors; unless the lenses are cheap and tiny, so we can talk about portability. And close focus please.
Agree. Such expensive lenses should’t be designed even for medium format; the large format is the only domain where the existence of any quality lenses is justified.
*sarcasm*
The 45mm (or up to 50..55mm) is excellent for portraits and we already have the stunning 45/1.8 at a really low price.
This could be beaten by an extremely bright 45mm lens, say F1.2 or better. Otherwise I cannot see justified such a high price of 1000..1500 euro.
I made this Graphic, showing the current M43 Primes, and the anounced (or at least rumoured) Schneider Kreuznach lenses:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/273/m43primesgraph.png
The x-axis is the focal lenght, the y-axis is the maximum aperture. The lenses are grouped by manufacturer.
It is pretty obvious, that the largest gap in the M43 lens line-up is in the lower left corner. That means a fast lens in the wide to ultra-wide area. So I think a focal length of less than 12mm and an aperture faster than 2 would be quite usefull.
On the other side, there is no lens in the 45mm+ range with a aperture of 1.4 or lower. The only classical portrait lens that is currently available would be the 45mm F1.8 from Olympus. But with larger depth of field of the M43 system, a larger aperture would be quite nice.
Instead, what we get is a tight grouping around 25mm. And if Olyympus also releases a 60mm macro, one of those two would be quite redundant.
Nice graph. There is also a big lack in the longer focal ranges. I would appreciate lenses in the 100-200 mm range if not to big in size. So may be not so large apertures (but still 1 or 2 stops faster than telezooms). For instance, (100 mm f/2.0), 150 mm f/2.8 or 200 mm f/3.5~4.0.
Any lens as long as within my budget with great performance, the last thing m4/3 need is more expensive lens….
Good quality ultra-wide and tele primes are missing from the current line-up.
Considering everything else I’d vote for 7mm f/2.8
i’d like to see a 17.5 mm f/1.4
Another vote for a wide lens…10mm f/2.
Otherwise I’d be happy with the potential 30mm (preferably lower than f2.8).
I would like to see a simple, compact and affordable yet fast (1.8 at least) 25mm (equivalent to our beloved 50mm of the good old times). Can Schneider sell such a thing ?
10.5mm f/2.8
14mm f/2.8 shift
17.5mm f/2
25mm f/2.8 tilt/shift
45mm f/2.8 tilt/shift
50mm f/2.8 macro
100mm f/4 macro
+1 for fast wide prime. 7-8mm f2.8
+1 fast wide prime 7-8mm f2.8
1) Schneider will make prime lenses (not zooms) for now
micro four thirds needs more prime lenses? i guess i could use a 14mm f3.5 at some point
2) The lenses will be expensive (1.000-1.5000 Euro)
micro four thirds is a professional format, with corresponding professional level prices for lenses?
3) They will high super high quality, autotofcus but no in body stabilization
i use panasonic bodies because the gangsters love to use attachable flashes, even on the high end models. why would the em-5 have a detachable flash? its not like you are fitting that thing in your pocket with the evf hump and no flash.
keep your overpriced german lenses
12mm f2.8 or f3.5 T/S
17mm or 17.5mm f1.4 or f2.0
125mm f4 Macro 1:1
Wish List:
17mm (1.4)
100mm Macro (2 or 2.8)
I woudn’t buy any of my suggestions because of the price but a 7mm f/4, 12mm f/3,5 tilt/shift, and 150 f/2.8 (don’t care if the 150 is bulky and heavy) with otherworldly image quality would stay high on my m43 dream lenses list.
A friend of mine owns some top notch oly glass such as the 150 2.0 and 7-14 4.o and it is such a pleasure to shoot with that kind of glass and achive stunning results with the dated 12 megapixel sensor of the e5. So maybe in the future we can enjoy m43 lenses with similar quality at an “affordable” price (compared to oly 43 or canon for example)
I would buy a compact internal focus 300mm f2.8/f4, or 400mm f4/f5.6 for nature photography if the combination of quality, size/weight, and price made it an attractive lens. The primary reason why I own an Olympus E-M5 is the size factor and that is paramount in any lens decision that I seriously consider.
I think a 12mm tilt shift lens would be a really useful addition. Schneider Cine Xenar lenses and the Horseman TS pro are already available for m43 thus a specialist tilt/shift lens would be a logical next step.
Such a lens would be expected to be €1500+, but justifiably so, considering the combination of short focal length and large image circle that would be required.
The only lenses I use on Full Frame are 28mm, 135mm, 200mm and a 90mm T&S.
Therefore I’d like, in this order:
1. 14mm f/2.0 – Already announced.
2. 67.5 f/2.0 that can close focus, but doesn’t need to be Macro.
3. 45mm f/2.8 Tilt & Shift.
4. 100mm f/2.8 Macro.
5. 9mm f/2.8 – Something I’d rarely use, but it would be useful for some things.
What I like about them is their focus on fast primes. What would get me to part with lots of money is a fast portrait prime around 35mm (70mm equiv) of F/1.2
W E A T H E R
S E A L E D!!!!!!!!!
8mm F3.2 Rectilinear
12mm F2.0
25 mm F1.8 or faster.
Build and optical quality over compactness but not too big. Girth over length. That’s what she said. Beat you too it.
(super) wide angle fast prime.
Knowing that we have (and will have)..
8mm f/3.5
12mm f/2.0
12.5mm f/12 3D
14mm f/2.5
17mm f/0.95
19mm f/2.8
20mm f/1.7
25mm f/0.95
25mm f/1.4
30mm f/2.8
45mm f/1.8
45mm f/2.8 macro
75mm f/1.8
and possibly..
30mm f/1.4
60mm f/2.4 macro
I would want 150mm f/2.0, like they did with Four Third.
Even 200mm f/2.0 or f/1.8.
I know they will be expensive, but then again we are talking about minimum 1000 Euro anyway.
If I am spending that much money, I want it to be extra ordinary lens.
All the people on here clamoring for an ultra WA prime need to just shut up and buy the Pana 7-14mm. It is a spectacular lens (though I can see the utility of a pancake 10mm). It’s simply stunning-it’s the first lens I’ve ever owned that was so good it made itself useful, even when I didn’t think it would be useful.
S-K should make a fast 17mm, and I wouldn’t mind seeing some longer fast primes (150mm+).
No zoom
Really High quality
No Stabilization => so short focal and no macro
Then 35mm f/1.4 or 40mm f/1.4 for portrait
and High price
Hum…
well 25mm f/0.95
or 17mm f/0.95 for street photography
In descending order of interest for me:
150 f/2.8 macro
7 f/4 that takes filters
17 f/1.4
The Panasonic 25 f/1.4 and Olympus 12 f/2, 45 f/1.8, and 75 f/1.8 already look like great lenses. No need for Schneider to duplicate them for starters.
+1 for the shift for me I think something between 14 and 17 would be optimal 1 think. and what I would like very much too would be a reasonably fast 17 or 17.5 with a compact size (maybe a little bigger than the 20/1.7 similar qualitiy or better not too expensive and weahter sealed)
so to sum it up:
14-17 shift f/4 would be ok. with a bracket so that the camera could be shifted for perfect stitching (like the hartbleis).
17/1.7 weathersealed
25mm 1.2
40mm 1.2
400mm f5.6
14 f2, and 30 f1.4 is good, but, I want in these lenses was a manual iris !
14 f 2, and 30 f 1.4 is good, but, I want in these lenses was a manual iris !
thank you Schneider.. anything truly sharp fast and deff AF.. if it’s wide corrected distortion, if it’s long f2 or faster.. 100 f1.4 would be cool.. if price is an issue get a sigma.. please schneider just make it AF..
PS: did I mention AF
I would be interested in a 10 2.8 or 4.0 and a 100-150 mm 2.8. But the lenses really need to be super extra special if they are going to cost more than 1000 euro.
A compact fast tele. Please!
To go with the upcoming 60mm f/2.4 macro lens:
– a set of extension tubes in different lenghts, e.g. 4, 8 and 12 mm.
– macro-bellows
– a reverse mount kit, enabling AF and AE with lens mounted in the reverse position.