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Panasonic Spain: “Soon a new G camera…”

Panasonic Spain wrote on Twitter (Click here) that a new G camera is coming soon. According to our sources the GH3 is veyr likely coming at Photokina only so this will be a new GF or G model. My bet is on the GF5 🙂

P.S.: The GH2 with 14-140mm kit sells now for $1.099 only at Amazon (Click here).

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  1. Sure they need to sell the GH2 cheaper now. The E-M5 is pretty much the best MFT camera around looking at the specs on paper. Although I really miss a multi-aspect-ratio sensor in the E-M5 to be really thrilled.

    1. > The E-M5 is pretty much the best MFT camera around looking at the specs on paper.

      Except for those of us who care a lot about video…

      1. “The E-M5 is pretty much the best MFT camera around” Not for me and the lack off a fully articulating screen is a deal breaker. I had a flip screen like the one on the E-M5 on a C50505 back in 2003! We should be moving forwards not backwards.

          1. Altho I never used it under pouring rain, über moist temperature, wet snow and light rain have never been a problem for my G1.
            My GH2 never underwent half the beating my G1 took, but I suspect its more robust than its “plasticky feel” suggests.

    2. It’s really funny that you should say that, since the camera isn’t even for sale yet. Call me a GH2 fanboy (and don’t get me wrong on this one) but I’d be surprised to see that the IQ matches the GH2. As for video quality we can already bet that it won’t…

      The OM-D is a great camera indeed but no one can say it is the best m43 camera the same way no one can say the GH2 is or was (even though at some point the GH2 was close to that title).

    3. “The E-M5 is pretty much the best MFT camera” : Not for me.
      1) The sensor is not so good than the GH2 sensor
      2) The pseudo 70’s retro design is pathetic.
      3) There’s plenty of gadget features for moms (artistic filters, touch screen, etc…)

  2. Thanks, this is good news. Fingers crossed it will be reasonably priced with not only good still image quality, but also include the latest developments in video (i.e 60p/50p full HD). Is it possible to include IBIS in GF cameras? I assume not but it would be nice if they could offer 5 axis stabilisation in this new camera. Admin, anything on the grapevine yet about a Panasonic LX6?

      1. Cheers Admin!!!
        Don’t you think it’s time already to get some GH3 hype rolling??? 😀

        Just kidding, have a well deserved break! 😉

    1. And you know that from…? Funny how people think they can judge something that hasn’t even reached the stores yet…

      edit:
      what the hell is wrong with this f*cking forums? It never puts the reply where it should be!

      1. You have to click the reply link on the line beside the name of person who made the post, which is ABOVE the body of the post. If you click on the reply link BELOW the body of the post then you’re replying to the next post.

    1. I imagine Panasonic will be looking to match or better the Olympus E-M5. Certainly I would expect Panny to offer better video with higher bitrates -almost inevitable.

    2. > It would be interesting to see the way forward for Pana after the E-M5

      Weather sealing aside, E-Mx is a clearly catch-up to GHx series.

      But yes, weather sealing in GH3 definitely wouldn’t harm. I’m not even sure what those crazy “videographer” people would manage to do with a weather sealed GH.

    1. Of course, if Panasonic has produced the E-M5 sensor (with improvements by Olympus?), they could feel the urge to put out a G3 with the new sensor as a quick way to get the new sensor to market.

    1. I’m just curious whether Pana goes weather-sealing or not.

      I really like the GH series. The control dials are really awesome. But plastic body w/o weather-sealing, no IBIS and a fuc**** RESISTIVE touchscreen… ugh…

      E-M5 all the way…

      1. As the new Panasonic bright zooms are weather sealed AND stabilised, it’s almost 100% sure that there will be weather sealed bodies too. So don’t worry.

        1. Yup. I am fully expecting a weather-sealed Pana-Body.

          But everything else will remain pretty much the same. They may even go as far as using a capacitive touch screen. But IBIS ?!… Never in Pana’s life!

          1. Capacitive hype crap probably wouldn’t work in cold weather.
            And when it would work it would be way too sensitive because of fake film era design causing nose hitting to body/LCD when looking into viewfinder.

          2. I’ve never had problems with the capacitive touchscreen on my iPhone outside in Chicago winters. Accidental touching can be dealt with in software. Capacitive is the way to go, the E-M5 has it.

      2. Surely the em5 is totally better than gh2 , YOU CANNOT judge the camera only for a simple youtube video, let’s wait for the results , i really love the body of my om-10 , so i just made the preorder , and i want the em5 to start shooting with it ^^

  3. Probably a GF camera. Bottom of the line products get updated the fastest. I wouldn’t be suprised if the only visible step forward is the G3 sensor.

  4. Much to everybody’s chagrin, I think it’s obvious that Panasonic will never have IBIS and Olympus will never have multi-aspect ratio sensors.

      1. I’m not feeling the 3:2 love from the Oly camp. Since multi-aspect is one of Pany’s flagship features, Oly would have to get their multi-aspect sensor elsewhere, methinks.

        1. Looks like Olympus would have to get sensor from elsewhere anyway because of Panasonic’s sensor performance.

  5. Easy to forget product development lead time is quite long, so they can’t always react immediately to other manufacturers’ new products and update their own overnight – unless we are talking firmware updates.

  6. It might also be a G5 with a better grip, a slightly improved sensor and maybe an improved EVF and/or LCD (meaning that there is an overall incremental improvement). Not sufficient improvement to take away sales from the upcoming GH3 though… For the GH3 I expect a substantial improvement.

    1. The place that in my opinion where Oly scored a Masterstroke was to present a full system; flashes, grips, all thgether in one clean package.

      It has been quite a while since any vendor brought out a thorough system. This has added to the appeal of the OM D.

      Maybe Pana has to make its next move!

  7. Whatever camera it is, it isn’t Panasonic’s response to the E-M5. Way too early for them to develop any kind of product for that. Unless Olympus showed them what they were doing earlier, but I kind of doubt that.

    1. Olympus could license their Wireless RC Flash protocol to Panasonic, and Olympus could purchase the upcoming GH3 sensor flr the E-M6 & E-P4. B2B, simply.

  8. Pana have a better, more straightforward, user interface I think. Now they have to combat the feature-rich EM5. GH is top of the line with strong video features. Will Pana have two branches of their top line: one video strong, one stills strong.
    The G3 could be the latter, but build and price-wise it is more medium tan top level. The GX could be top of the line but lacks feature-wise
    As I am not interested in video, dont want to pay for video features.
    So something that builds on G3+GX and has a significantly better sensor would be what Pana needs to take market from Oly.

    1. I don’t know about Oly, but Panasonic interfaces are plain horrible. The menu system is really not user friendly at all. Half the time i need to change a parameter i scratch my head trying to figure out their menus. They should learn from Canon.

    1. -If weather sealed body, that’s only half the solution. Then comes the dust- and splash proof lenses, in pluralis!

      Also, I agree the Panasonic needs an enthusiast model with integrated EVF, á la OM-D or NEX-7. To me, the next model Panasonic needs to launch, therefore is the GH3!

    2. Since Pana foucusses more on video, Idon’t know if they need a weatherproof body. But then again, they preannounced the weathersealed fast zooms

    1. Japanese companies usually avoid naming that sounds negative in their culture. Canon skipped G4 in the G camera line, G3 to G5. So does some others. 40 was alright but not 4, pronounced similar to “death”.

    2. Not everybody subscribes to that. What is the name of Nikon’s most recent flagship camera?… Hmmmm… let me think here.

  9. Wow…a new G camera. That really narrows it down. Now doesn’t it??? 🙂
    Panasonic…you will NEVER match the hype of the OM. (Thank God!).

    1. > a new G camera. That really narrows it down. Now doesn’t it???
      Let’s see how many Lumix G cameras Panasonic has which don’t start with “G”…
      Anyone remember any?

  10. Wow, if Panasonic would put even half the effort that they put into pumping out new camera models into making fast glass we would have a complete system by now.

  11. A rangefinder styled G3 successor, competing with the NEX7, is what makes the most sense, IMO.

    For now, the G and GH models are just too similar.

    So Panasonic could broaden their line-up without much effort.

    1. I agree it most likely will be a rangefinder style (with EVF) but not a G3 successor but one to compete with NEX7. If you check Pany has keep almost all their basic bodies at least 2 years, the G1,G2,G10 body was essentially same for 2 years as was the GF1 body, so I see no replacement body for G3 as only 1 year old and doing reasonably well.

      Likewise the GF3 is too new for anything but an upgrade in sensor. The GF2 however could easily get a new sensor, possible tilting higher rez sceen with hotshoe and new VF2 connector but then that would be too close to GX1.

      I agree that the G3 and GH3 are too close. Since the G3 is less than year old and smaller and sells better I would bet it is the GH3 that is due for a more radical change either similar to OM-G with metal body or a rangefinder form mini L1.

  12. How soon is soon? I don’t know Spanish but the text implies either a GX2 or super G? I note there is no level attached to this rumor or news. Usually leaks first come from either China or Japan but when they come from Europe that usually means it is well advanced and maybe soon in reviewers hands?

    I have long expected another GF or GX model to come as even this forum rumored such another model with EVF for much of last year. Pany maybe was hoping to wait till closer to the Olympics to release but seeing all the buzz the OM-D has generated needs to get the specs and pictures outearlier so we at least know what is coming and not lose potential sales? While such a model is not a direct response to the OM-D, I am sure Pany has its spies and more aware than us of what is coming from other manufacturers and after all the NEX7 and FUJI X100 have been out there for some time to see what can be done? Whatever Pany produces will not have a need for as high a hump as OM-D as no IBIS mechanism.

    At very minimum I would expect a GF5 with GX1 sensor and a higher resolution swivel or hinged rear LCD screen with hot shoe for EVF and better video options.

    More likely for me would be a new model GX2 or GP1 rangefinder with inbody EVF, high resolution swivel screen, and full 1080P/60 video and weatherproofing for the new X lenses coming.

    Pany is more likely to come with a model looking more like the OM-G DSLR looks with a magnesium body in late fall with the GH3 with the best HD video.

    That being said I am attracted to the OM-D to replace my DSLRs if its new IBIS works as well as rumored with full time live view and video and AF able to track fast moving objects for sports and wildlife photography.

    1. Ich weiss nicht so genau, was das in Spanien bedeutet, aber hier in Südamerika meint man mit “finde” > fin de semana = Wochenende… 😮 Muss jetzt natürlich nicht zwangsläufig heißen, dass das Ding am WE präsentiert wird. Aber wird schon suggeriert…

    2. “More likely for me would be a new model GX2 or GP1 rangefinder with inbody EVF, high resolution swivel screen, and full 1080P/60 video and weatherproofing for the new X lenses coming.”

      Although I like the thought, I think that would probably place it too close to the GH3. I would not expect too much.

  13. It’s a given the GH3 will be announced before or at Photokina in September. Here is the history of recent model announcement dates:
    Nov/10 GF2
    May/11 G3
    June/11 GF3
    Nov/11 GX1

    The most likely new camera announcement before the GH3 would be a G4. My guess is for an April/May announcement. It will bring back
    some of the manual controls lost from the G2, have a better EVF, possibly a new sensor, and possibly be a metal body.

    Personally I prefer the plastic shell, as it doesn’t dent and is lighter. Doubt we will see weatherproofing like the EM5 as it takes away the price advantage Panasonic buyers now enjoy.

    1. I tend to agree with this. G3 announcement was about this time, I finally got my G3 in June.

      I tend to like the lightness and dentproofness of the plastic body also and I don’t care at all about weather sealing. I have no lenses that are weatherproof and wouldn’t replace what I have. As always I use a plastic bag LOL. Works pretty well unless its pouring and then I’m not willing to be out either. I’ve used my G3 in heavy snow without any issues though I was careful to wipe good immediately after. The price advantage is certainly a plus because it means I won’t have too many qualms about upgrading when the time is right. My upgrade from my very inexpensive G1 (I bought in Dec. 08 from ebay and Canadian store) was completely painless and I feel I can just pass that camera to some young person with the G3’s 14-42 lens since I have the original 14-45. Something to be said about inexpensive bodies that still offer flexibility and customization to suit you–and feel good in hand.

      I’m just anxious for the 12-35/2.8 lens. That would pretty well complete my needs altho’ I’m lusting a bit after the 25/1.4 LOL

      Diane

      1. Diane,
        You should really try the Voigtlander Noktons. I use the 25/0.95 a lot and I have ordered the 17.5/0.95. They really are very high quality, and in my experience with the Leica Summilux 50/1.4, I think a better investment.
        Of course, AF may be essential to you, and then the DG Summilux 25/1.4 makes sense. At parties where I want to be able to shoot quickly and unobtrusively I use the 20/1.7 in spot AF, and while some shots will not be in focus, most will.

        1. The Nokton 35mm f1.4 and 40mm f1.4 lenses are a perfect size and weight match for M4/3 bodies, so don’t forget them!

          Yeah, the 17.5mm is haunting me! I may have to bite the bullet and pull out the plastic! 😉

          Did you get a delivery date on the 17.5mm? Where did you order it from?
          I waited 5 months to get my Nokton 25mm and would hate to go through that again! I got so fed up at one point I bought a Nokton 35mm f1.4! I’m glad I did, too. 🙂

        2. The zoom would be for travel. I have the 20, use a 28/2 quite a lot but found I have missed my 24-70 the last 3 years. I’ve avoided the Noktons LOL but may have to look at them. I tend to carry the 20 and 45/2.8 as a two lens kit a lot but might be happier with 25.

  14. Must be a NEX-7 competitor with a built-in viewfinder in the corner, weather sealing, flip screen, lucrative interface and the lot. Actually, it may be a serious E-M5 competitor as well.

    1. Doubt it.
      The GX2 may try for that position, but it won’t be announced until at least September, if not January 2013.

      1. The GX line may remain the line without EVF.

        The GH line may remain the faux DSLR line with EVF.

        But the G line may change to a faux rangefinder line with EVF, a NEX7 competitor. The GH line and the G line are too similar, anyway. So Panasonic would broaden their offering without the need to make more different models.

        1. Nah,
          The G and GH lines will remain separate (different target audiences).
          The GX line might embrace EVF, but what makes more sense is a GL line that harkens back to the 2006 L-1, and will compete with the NEX-7, the Fuji X-Pro and Canon’s MILC that is likely to be based on the G1X.
          There is definitely a gap in the product line-up, and Panasonic can’t afford to ignore it much longer.

          1. That’s five different camera lines, seems a bit overkill. I agree with nobody that the G and GH lines are a bit too similar, at least styling-wise, and that Panasonic should take the G series and make it more rangefinder styled. That would have all their bases covered, without introducing another product line.

          2. Now that G’s place is rather well defined GH needs serious ergonomic lift upwards as currently its ergonomy isn’t even worth of entry level DSLR. (best would be discarding that film era design and moving towards Oly E-1 like style)

    1. Too soon for a GH3 announcement – GH2 still selling well.
      Apart from the strong possibility of a G4 announcement, a new line is needed to compete with the NEX-7, Fuji X-Pro and future Canon MILC (derived from G1X).
      A GL line harkening back to the 2006 L-1 would really plug the gap that Panasonic have in their product line-up, and which they have been aware of since the NEX-7 was announced.

  15. I have to hand it to Olympus, they went all in on the E-M5. The only thing it appears they didn’t (likely couldn’t) include was a GH sensor. Other than that, the list of killer features the GH2 should have had is long:
    – pro-quality weather sealed lightweight alloy body
    – eye-catching styling that looks more expensive than the camera is
    – IBIS that rivals any OIS and works on all lens (including Panny primes)
    – wireless flash control
    – Truepic colors
    – ultra-fast AF
    – OLED display

    Once people see the E-M5’s high quality body and featureset it will be tough to justify the GH2 unless you’re a videographer.

    I’m sure Panny’s not asleep at the wheel on this. Their X-series weather sealed lenses clearly forecast a body to match and likely a new generation of sensors as well.

    What a curious dance these two companies perform, allies and enemies at the same time. Maybe they’re actually one and the same, anyone seen Dr. Strangelove lately?

  16. A little voice in my head tells me that this new G camera will use an “absolutely new sensor” with a “33% improvement in DR” (for some 0.4EV stops) 🙂

  17. Everyone is groping around in the dark on this one, including me. No “F” designation at all, so not many hopes or expectations either.

  18. My VHS player is a Panasonic.
    Photo gear I buy only from companies with a long-standing tradition of excellence in photo/optics.

    1. Yep I agree,

      I mean these guys called Apple thought they could make a phone better than established manufacturers, and they have never made one before, I mean how could it be any good…

      Old manufacturers were new at some point.

      AAAAARRRGGGHH CHANGE – RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!

    2. How are you enjoying those Olympus bodies with second tier Panasonic sensors? You must not like any of that horrible Panasonic glass like the 7-14, 20, 25, etc…

    3. VHS? Good gods…

      I have an RCA VideoDisc player I want to sell you. I may also have an old 250MB USB 1 hard drive here too…

      Oh! Oh! A 20 year-old (1994) Mitsubishi CRT TV in glorious standard definition!

  19. Until Olympus gets a new sensor supplier, we will never see video functions in an Oly camera matching what Panasonic can do. It’s very probable that Oly actually is not allowed to take full advantage of the sensor video features. Same has supposedely happened with Kinon and the D4.

  20. Biggest change needed from the Panasonic camp is a replacement to that 460k dot LCD. Come on Panasonic, we know you can do better than that. Leapfrog the 920k dot displays and go for something ultra sharp like the display on my Galaxy Nexus.

    1. Easy panasonic, G-L1 best of nex 7 and om-d with a new sensor

      Full black like the original, and weathersealed, there we go

  21. GF – line is M/43 thin/compact (flat) – GF3 is OK – Think Honda Fit
    G – line is M4/3 mainstream – G3 is OK – Think Honda Civic
    GX – line is M4/3 niche – GX1 is OK – Think Honda Coupe
    GH – line is M4/5 flagship – GH2 nearly ready for refresh – Think Honda Accord

    New camera should be another G3 update (with G3 sensor or redesigned body), GX1 variant (weather sealed with EVF (GX2)) or GH2 refresh leaks (GH3).

    1. Negative.

      Cannot be G3 update as:
      a) this would be the forth G series release, as opposite to GH series, where just 2 models were released;
      b) If the new camera had a totally new sensor this “G” would overtake the flagship GH2 which is unlikely;
      c) Under the current technical circumstances (16 MP sensor, 1.44 M dot viewfinder, 460 K dots touchscreen) there are simply no reasons to release a slightly different, but technically almost identical new G model.

      Cannot be GH2 update as:
      a) no rumors would confirm that;
      b) it seems that there are no new technologies yet in Panasonic’s hand (new sensor, bigger resolution viewfinder, etc.) which would mark a major upgrade.

      As opposite:
      GF series have no member yet with the “new” 16 MP sensor, hence an upgrade is more than welcomed.

      So, my bet is:

      GF5

      1. This is good analysis – a GF5. A GF3 with the G3 sensor. And no built-in EVF – they want to sell the LVF2. Same lens.

        1. If you look at the BCN sales rankings in Japan you will see that all GF series cameras are doing very well and switch to G3 sensor and Xlens would make that market share even greater or offset the competition moves. A week ago the NEX7 rose to the top or 2nd place compared with all DSLR and MILS systems but since has dropped to #6 but the GF3 is in #7 position,(7,21,24,28,43,65), The GXI is in #8, GF2 is #13 and G3 is #18 & 20. The primary reason for the quick drop in NEX7 is price I think unless they ran out of production as it cost almost twice as much as a GX1. So maybe not producing the G-L1 just now as most want as it will cost a lot, Pany is concentrating on the models it can sell more of based on price and value? Pany now has 8 of the top 30 best selling DSLRs and MILS in Japan. These are not just 1 week snapshot but Panys sales have been increasing steadily. Oly has lost much of its once favored position in Japan but the new E-D5 should be a big hit if not priced too high there.

          So a new GF5 is very likely with some changes to GF2 to differentiate it from other models like higher rez tilt screen, opt VF2.

  22. I was going to wait for the GH3 – thanks admin for all your updates – but the I was able to get a used GH2 body on the cheap! I need to do documentary photography and video but I’m a total beginner. Some questions I hope you all can help with: Any recommendations on which lens I should start with? Do I need to get a Panny lens with MEGA OIS for the video to look good? Does the 14-42mm power zoom have OIS?

    1. “Any recommendations on which lens I should start with?”

      You can start with any lens you already have (It will be less expensive). All brands and mounts of MF lenses can be used on a M43 camera, with a cheap adaptor found on Ebay.
      On an other hand, be careful with the AF lenses, because most of all are too much noisy for video (the microphone is just on top of the camera), and the OIS is absolutely useless for video (and rarely useful for photography).

      Here is a movie I made with a modified C-Mount 12.5mm f1.4 lens : vimeo.com/25373132
      Here with a Pentax 110 18mm f2.8 : vimeo.com/29082275

      “I’m a total beginner”
      Beware of zooms, they are less fast than primes and very often less sharp.
      The other issue is that they seem to be more versatile, but actually they make your image less interesting, less strong, because with the variable focal length push you to stay in place and shoot without research of distance, angles, points of view, etc.

  23. It is not a GH and definitely not a GX.
    It could be a G4/5, but it is as likely to be a G20 or GF4/5.

    Because everyone is selling expensive high end cameras, and there is not enough choices in the low end market with very cheap price .

    The reason I am guessing this, is because the electronic shutter is not ready (or else it is already on GX1) and there is not much upgrade to without significant investment.

    When you cannot upgrade, you downgrade and make it cheaper (which by the way will not work for us, we want up!)

    Rangefinder position viewfinder will be reserved for the expensive model. The direct competitor to NEX-7 and E-M5. It will not be out soon and should have a new model line. That price range is crowded already.

    G4/5 can be the first model to introduce built-in wifi connections or GPS chip (given both tech are cheap and available in mobile phone market). It can use the G3 body base. The G20 will be a cheaper G3 without those goodies. These should come in summer

    Considering the GF was going for 8 months annoucement cycle. It is more likely to be a GF4/5 that is even smaller. It will be the mount + sensor + screen. You hold the lens instead of the camera. All touch control without physical shutter botton.

    Or else, it is the first shockproof, weatherproof Lumix G Tough. I am a dreamer!!!

  24. Panasonic doesn’t have to build a new camera to compete with the Olympus E-M5, because they already have the DMC-G3. The G3 is a great camera and a cheap alternative to the over priced and over hyped E-M5. Noise performance is only half stop worse then the E-M5 and dynamic range is comparable. The ‘tweaked’ 16mp sensor in the E-M5 definitely is not the revolution I expected after al the OMG hyping.

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