Guys, you can’t miss that. I just posted the first real full size images of the Fuji X PRo 1 at MirrorlessRumors.com (Click here!!!). I am glad that Panasonic and Olympus will finally get some serious pressure. This will push them to improve and renovate much faster than they did until now.
There are new technical solution that on paper do sound very intriguing:
1) The hybrid viewfinder actually changes the optical view depending on the lens. There Is one “problem” with that solution. It sounds like it doesn’t work with zooms but with primes only
2) The autofocus mechanism is “standalone”. It doesn’t rely on the sensor. it’s a sort of “rangefinder” af system. Is it reliable? That’s the question.
I think the new Olympus camera will go in a similar direction as the Fuji. Built-in new viewfinder tehcnology, top body quality. The real question is what kind of sensor the new Oly will use.
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Want, want, want!
If the image quality is good, and if they have fixed their movie mode this is a home run ,
It’s a home run anyway.
This is an excellent effort by Fuji. This camera will please a lot of people. It doesn’t really suit my needs though. My GH2 gives me everything that this camera would offer me.
I really don’t care about the viewfinder at all. I never use it on my GH2. I understand how other people would want it though.
I am just glad that there are several good options for everyone to choose from now.
Where is my wallet? Homerun fuji, peasant 43 is dead
I’ll still be with m43, especially when a Fuji lens costs 600 euro. M43 still caters to a market which not only wants portability, but also cost effectiveness. I’m not a pro so i don’t need such good IQ photos anyway.
By an extension of that logic, every time the competition leaks, announces, releases or simply vapors away rumors remotely cool, m43 is dead.
So exactly how many lives m43 have had so far?
You have to admit, with this Fuji has basically pushed m4/3rd into the niche of the deluded. Basically this makes m4/3rds irrelevant, the digital equivalent of 110 film (which oddly had a negative of the same size as the m4/3rds sensor). Sure they still made 110 film and cameras for many decades but it was the system of the unwashed poor, not the Godlike Elite!
The only mFT cameras this Fuji will compete with are the E-P3 and GX1 and it will cost more than either. Please explain why one model at this price point “makes m4/3rds irrelevant.”
Again with your trolling. You hate m43 so much, yet you overzealously follow this rumor site. You really need to get your head checked. 🙂
Feel free to play “elite” and “god” and take photos in your mind while looking at a specification sheet, though. The rest of us will actually take photos. 🙂
Bwahahahahaha!!!!! I actually do take photographs with my camera. You unfortunately cannot take a photograph at all, merely pictures with your Micro Four Turds system. Now go play with your picture taking toy, while I go evacuate my bowels into the mold Panasonic gave me so they can produce GX1s at a reasonable rate! Muahahahahahaha!!!!!
You take photographs with your camera? Pics or it didn’t happen.
I can understand why M43 isn’t for you though, considering the underside of that bridge must be pretty dark. Come out more often; you’ll find that no camera can replace lack of skill, and a good photographer can make use of whatever picture taking medium they have.
Panasonic gave you a mold to increase their GX1 production rate?? Wow, you must spend your entire day evacuating your bowels. You should get that checked out. Then again, I am not very familiar with your kind. Do trolls naturally derive so much pleasure from defecating?
whatever…
Silly, the Fuji is limited to 3 fix lens (maybe someday 4); no telephoto or macro capability using the finder; it is not a small system camera like the m43.
It is for people who are nostalgic about the old days with their 3 lens range finder, it is the same market the film Contax G2 (a well made camera, like I am sure the Fuji will be). I am sure the tried to get and failed commercially.
There are many disadvantages to a not-through the lens finder that most shooters will find annoying even if they say they want it. When I get a little nostalgic about my old film rangefinders, what I do is use one for a week or two then I am cured for a year or two.
Fuji will well with it as they seem to understand the nitch and product leader it is. They will sell some but, most people who want a Leica want a Leica not a pretender, irregardless of how good the pretender is; their is a reason for the red dot. The market is limited to some high end enthusiast (with little money), not many professionals or high end enthusiast with money, and no regular shooters.
I just wanted to note that many people want a Leica but not badly enough to spend the sums that Leicas call for. If we consider film, there are large numbers of people who shoot Bessas because they like Bessas, even though they could buy a Leica. The M9 also looks like an unmoulded brick next to the new Fuji camera.
whatever, cameradick. you sound as enlightened as an idiot passing gas. but thats ok, we know these posts are the pinnacle of your sad life achievements. so go ahead, continue spewing crap since you love turd so much.
As for the new Fuji, seems expensive at first but it does come with a fast prime for about the same price as a NEX7 body. Aside from that, hard to say much more as there is still very little info.
Yes! Another see the light! Yes Micro Four Turds is for the common filthy peasantry! Congratulations on your enlightenment. Your membership card to the Godlike Elite is in the mail!
Nonsense, M43 is very much alive. Fuji’s recent enthusiast cameras are all ugly. My wife would not tolerate such ugly weapons in our house.
No zooms! I love primes but zooms too.
The X100, yes, but even that looked better than all the deformed M43 cameras barring the E-P3. The X10 improved on the aesthetics of the X100, and this latest camera overtakes them all.
Edit: ok, the back is absolutely hideous. A pity, considering how great the front looks.
m43 is in anoter league, cost less, much more lenses system, smaller, IQ good enough for most people, good video mode.
Not impressed at all. The only interesting thing seems to be the high quality sensor.
Otherwise the design is simply and solely ugly, I have serious concerns about the reliability of a non–TTL AF system, the body is too big, the hybrid viewfinder works just with selected lenses and the price is ridiculously high for what you get.
That about summarizes my first impression too.
But I would wait for first reviews to come out.
If X100 (or X10) release has taught me any lesson, it’s that Fuji is incapable of QAing their own cameras in house.
Reminds me of those posts on photo forums complaining of gross overexposure. Turns out that a number of X100 cameras had “sticky aperture blades” .
It was weird reading the nonchalant attitudes of users who sent cameras back to Fuji for new shutter assemblies, or whatever they’re called.
” Oh yeah mine was overexposing too but Fuji changed out the shutter and all is well now”. Some had the same repair more than once.
I like the idea of this camera more than the X100, but I want to see how the QA shakes out.
I think we still have to be cautious before jumping to conclusions. I’m not even sure all those specs are correct, plus some are still missing.
But let’s see:
– High quality sensor – We really don’t know, but we can assume it will at least be as good as the best APS-C ones (otherwise why not use Sony ones?).
– AF: We don’t know how it will work. The X10 has quite a good contrast detect AF, so if they decided to use this external sensor for AF it must be an improvement, not a regression. Probably it still has contrast detect AF in any case.
– Hybrid viewfinder means both, optical and electronic. The optical might just work well with selected prime lenses, but the electronic one should work fine with any lens.
– Price: 1300 eur. with a 50mm (eq) f/1.4 metal lens is not so much. If you buy the E-P3 with the 25mm f/1.4 Panaleica it will be similar. And you still don’t get a viewfinder.
– I still want to know if it has sensor based IS or nothing at all. Shooting that 90mm (eq) f/2.4 hand held without IS is not so great.
Video capability? It’s not a given that a new sensor technology will be able to do video.
This is very true. I’ve been hearing about the imminent death of m4/3 since the Samsung NX series was leaked. Still keeps plugging along, though!
You need to go to your doctor and be examined for statements like this!
the design is a bit too avant-garde…
but even so the X-PRO beats NEX and makes E-PL3 its cam-servant in my photo fairytale land. I’d buy this thing without AF and consider it a plus, a lot of M-mount and Zeiss people are probably thinking the same thing now.
I’m with you there.
This is no commpact system camera. The body looks quite large, if you look at the diameter of lens and compare it to the size of the body. the design isn’t earth shattering and the rear panel is hideous, with all those buttons scattered about.
At this point, it’s still a fantasy and speculation fest. I’ll wait to see the actual specs for it. And actual images captured with it before forming any sort of opinion.
I wonder if Fuji will be selling lens adaptors for it. If it could use adapted lenses from different systems, it could be interesting for some. Although, a true rangefinder style body doesn’t handle long lenses very well.
Anyway, We shall see.
The camera that kill NEX and NX….watchout m4/3 better get your act together….
I hope the hype about the new sensor is not like the whole hype on the short lived X100.
A few good point raised here (above):
1. Panasonic would still have an edge wrt to video.
2. Fuji’s hybrid view finder will work with select lenses- good business strategy for them! Remains to be seen if it stand up to the versatility of m4/3rds and the NEX-7.
BTW, serious competition for m4/3rds is from Sony’s NEX line. When the NEX-7 becomes really available, the impact will be felt. I doubt anyone will be going for the (EVF less) Olympus and Panasonic cams over the NEX-7.
Short lived X100? Are you high? that camera is still very difficult to get a hold of. It’s been selling like hotcakes for months!
The NEX-7 is very expensive, and the glass does not yet do it justice. No doubt it will steal sales from those with DSLR backgrounds, but the real competitor for enthusiasts is the 5N, which is already making its mark in the P&S upgrader market.
M43 really need a small camera with in-built EF, with a lower price tag than the NEX-7 if it wants to compete in the future. They may have a more comprehensive range of lenses at the moment, but it is only a matter of time before Sony improves in that area. M43 needs to be ahead technologically in other areas since they will always be a step behind in regards to the sensors they use.
If you need friggin video buy a camcorder
What a disappointment. Massively overpriced. £2500 for a usable focal range with that system if you buy the additional two primes. £1300 alone for body and fixed 35mm is too much. They use the “pro” excuse to give such pricing but this is far from pro. Everyone is waiting for a manufacturer to being out a camera with such a basic list but all in the same body at a reasonable price. They are greedy with trickling down tech gradually to maximize profits over time. The nex7 has been the closest attempt at a good EVIL camera but even this is overpriced and more to the point, the lens line up kills the whole system.
I get more and more frustrated each time I see a camera come out these days. I will await the Olympus Weather Sealed camera announcement but feel that this will also be lacking in something and/or priced too high.
AGREE!!!
+1 for 2500 euro you get a 5DmarkII with 24-105 mm f4 which is far more versatile…
And with 2600€ you can buy two xpro1 that will still be smaller than one 5dmarkII.
But with 2 xpro1 I still only have one focal length…But ok I confess that 5DMarkII is huge. I’m the happy owner of a GH1 that I can carry often when I go climbing, hikking, traveling.
Damn stupid fanboy,
A gx1/ep3+evf+25mm f1.4 cost the same, with a smaller (and outdated) sensor and no ovf…
Yup, but m43 gives you the chance to go for the cheap 14mm, 20mm and 45mm. I’m not comparing quality here, solely price.
Yes, but 3 years after the debut of M4/3. Remember, at launch, there was only one kit zoom. First pancake came later and was pretty slow and unimpressive.
(and back in 2009 i paid my GF1 990 euros, with (plasticish) 20mm kit, but without EVF nor hood)
Good specs, ugly design…
Tell us the rumors about the new PEN as soon as possible!
Coming damn soon 😉
The way things are going, you’re going to have to give up the day job :).
What is damn soon? Few hours?
tomorrow or Monday.
It all depends from me having time to write or not 🙂
I’ll write it for you admin, just send me the info!
lol
You have plenty of time – while we here are still bashing the Fuji X Pro 😉
Take it easy: too many rumors posted at once dilute their value.
Right, but if others post those rumors first, it will dilute his site’s value. Today, he was the fastest and will surely have topic with most comments on Mirrorless rumors ever.
Nooo, you dummy!!!
Well it’s a very nice camera, spec wise. Now we need real world examples of the photo’s and handling.
It doesn’t look fast.
It’s not my cup of thea though, no zooms and too big compared to m43 GX1 and E-P series.
Again this cam is like any other cam already out, a compromise.
In this case probably, excellent IQ vs ease of use/portability.
External AF sensor could be a drawback too.
Like I said we need the real thing, to judge it better.
I already have a Fuji X mount… from 1983! ;P
Everyone who ownes a GH2 or G3 with Zuiko 12mm, PanaLeica 25mm & 45mm already has a camera with similar specs.
So a nice thing for these who like stylish cameras – for the technophile theres a fine solution available
There’s more to a camera than a spec sheet. And say what you will about style, but some cameras beg you to use them, while others leave you feeling cold and disinterested. This Fuji certainly looks to be in the former category.
I completly agree. I had an E-410 and and E-3. I know the E-3 was better in nearly every way, but the look & feel of the E-410 was really great.
But as this rumour was just about the specs, I see no great sensation yet. I’m sure everybody touching the camera will keep it 🙂
To me, it is closer to PEN’s design (especially E-P3) than G2, except for the OVF of course.
After years of waiting, it’s finally happened. I now feel like Frodo at the end of Lord of the Rings. My quest is over. Now what?
it´s frodo….
Doh! Thanks. Corrected.
ugly
Drool!!
Good job Fuji! Why couldn’t Panasonic or Olympus make this? The X-Pro 1 is the poor man’s Leica we’ve been asking for, for about two years now. Camera+35mm/ f 1.4 @ 1.300 Euro ($1680) isn’t exactly cheap, but still better than the prices mentioned earlier.
Isn’t The Ricoh GXR already the “poor man’s Leica”? At least you can mount Leica lenses.
But you can’t get the “rangefinder shooting style” with the GXR, right ?
Probably Leica wont be that expensive or wanted if other manufacturers would just stay making rangefinders instead of moving totally to SLR. Right now rangefinder is a niche with exclusiveness, especially the digital rangefinders monopolized by one company only.
IF, that rangefinder shooting is more common thing, there wouldn’t be so much excitement, just like when another SLR is announced.
More than only an m the gxr can adapt about any lens ever made on this planet with adapters and still ok crop factor, its an universal digiback with superb iq, think about it
Let’s cue the legions of wailing crowds who will grumble left right center about the cost…
Rule number one in Optics: You pay for what you get.
600 EUR for a good prime lens is not exactly expensive. They’re not that fast, either.
Those who complain of such things are mere peasants that are easily ignored and used as ottoman or sidewalk carpet
Maybe that Fuji makes it right (to improve their sells especially) but I personally don’t understand the hype.
When you look at the cameras back side (picture on mirrorless rumors) you cannot see a lot of manual control elements. Maybe they’re all on the cameras top? Also the screen seems to be a fixed one.
Second, I personally cannot say “wow” about the cameras design. Sorry, guys, maybe I’m too young and have never experienced the sixties… But, once again, I don’t understand the hype about a camera body looks like a good gift for your photographic interested grandpa in his nostalgic mood.
So the main expectations and intrigues are all about the new sensor, which shall beat the image quality of all current full-frame sensors. Hmmm, we’ll see. But are you sure, this 16-mp APS-CMOS sensor is really the new “organic” sensor? Does “incorporating a new filter array” mean the new carbon-based layer? Is this new “organic” technology already that close to the large-scale production?
judging by your reasonable and dry post you don’t understand the concept of sexy 🙂
joking aside the X-PRO is basically the camera so many commenters over here have been ranting about, no surprise its hyped.
Yes, today’s granny could have been very sexy in the middle of last century 🙂 If this is Fuji’s concept of sexuality, I need something more fresh and crisp.
Yes, but today’s granny no longer looks as she did in the middle of last century. If Marilyn Monroe were alive today, looking the same as she did in her 30s, there is little doubt that there would be people who find her very sexy.
I don’t think age matters either. If that is you in your display picture, then I would guess that I am slightly younger, yet I find the new Fuji camera very appealing, at least from the front.
It is refreshing to see a real camera bundled with a 50mm equiv. lens. I am so fed up with 35mm (I have the 17 2.8) and that’s the reason I did not get the X100 or the Leica X1.
And it is cheap too! For a similar camera experience you would need:
1. EP3 or GX1
2. VF2 or LVF2
3. Panasonic Leica 25 1.4
We have been begging for that type of camera for years now and only Fuji and Sony finally delivered.
PS For me to even now consider the new PEN it must offer something spectacular or very cheap (about 800 euro)
I could very well live with the three primes as I use similar lenses for m43 and don’t need anything else. I’m looking forward to a sensor with no anti-aliasing filter!
What else? Camera producers now all entered the Generation X. WHY do they all need to use “x-codes” now for their cameras – I really had shake my head when I read the new Canon fixed lens APS-C would be called G1X.
Are all marketing people brain dead nowadays?
some those the name pretend they can stand with other such as aps-c rival 😀 lol… they have forgottennew generation young are smart in pick imaging device
The camera has not been released yet…so we don’t know if “Fuji Makes It Right” ??????
Looks like a fun camera. I will wait until Steve Huff and others get their hands on it and run it through some paces. Also, need to see a roadmap of its future. I personally am already into two camera systems. One “large” system and very capable (more capable than ALL mirrorless systems) and one very versatile “small” MFT system. Fuji is know to have a lot of quirks with their cameras (enough that in the end MANY people were turned-off by the X-100) and you can bet there will be plenty of quirks with this one. Also…if this camera does have an optical finder like the Contax G2 (I owned that camera and all of the lenses and loved it), it will also be very limited in the lens-range offering which would be a deal killer for me, ( I currently have from fisheye to macro, to long tele with both of my setups).I cannot take on another camera system (financially or mentally), I would have to replace one….and I think this will be a GREAT system for many…but perhaps not for me. Limited lens range is my concern.
That being said…I am very INTRIGUED with the new Fuji offering, and will follow its unveiling with great interest. Sounds as though the image quality and ease-of-use is going to be VERY exciting perhaps, even after all the hype clears! …no filter in front of the organic sensor…hmmmmmmmm…..LOL!
Now it is exciting to see what Oly and later Pana comes up with. As I trust Fuji to makes excellent lenses, this camera, at the moment, outshines NEX-7. Let’s hope there will be adapters for other manufacturers lenses even if there may be issues with the OVF.
The second camera ever to come with a decent kit lens, since GF1.
Well, at least it looks like a safe travel camera, because nobody would want to steal something so ugly 😀
Jokes aside, this is something I’d give my 70yo dad. I’ll stick to zooms and DSLRs myself.
Well that was ironic, disparaging a beautiful camera in favour of the bulbous monstrosities that are DSLRs! 😛
I saw first this piece of news on two Fuji fora and there the initial reception of the new camera was much more lukewarm… Many were even quite disappointed. So I find this amount of enthusiasm on this m4/3 rumours forum quite surprising and even amusing. No wonder they say that the grass is always greener….
I think the proper term is “Cyber Gushing”!!!!!! LOL…with no release…too funny!
Disappointed ? Seriously ? This is a X100 with lens-mount and more, what else were they expecting ?
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It’s because M43 users have been waiting so long for a small camera with in-built viewfinder.
This Fuji is not THAT small.
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Come on Fuji.. u can do a better design than that..!
TOO retro..
I think you mean TOO modern. I half-expected the X-PRO to come with a tilt screen 🙁
1. the right side is chopped too much (it not only accommodates top controls but serves a vague fashion statement which is odd for retro camera design)
2. the top levers are slightly tilted (won’t sell well in retro auctions :D)
3. its all black
i.e. this camera compels others to notice it, something unusual for the understated rangefinders of yesteryear.
4. and it has a GRIP!
Thhha, well, maybe Pen Pro is better design. 😉
> It sounds like it doesn’t work with zooms but with primes only
No zooms. So much for the pressure on the competition.
And among the primes I do not see any focal length which are interesting to me (35mm eq?). And they are too large.
And as bright primes go, I want them to have at most 30cm MFD – the Fuji’s f***-up with “macro mode” in X100 (aka “focusing closer than 80cm only with EVF, closer than 50cm – macro mode only”) was rather unpleasant.
” It sounds like it doesn’t work with zooms but with primes only”
Zoom was available for Contax G2.
“The autofocus mechanism is “standalone”. It doesn’t rely on the sensor. it’s a sort of “rangefinder” af system. Is it reliable? That’s the question.”
French text says it “may” be an external af sensor. Lots of analog camera have an external active af sensor, like polaroid sonar autofocus (a sonar so 🙂 ) or Contax T2 with an IR sensor (that act like a sonar, but with an infrared beam). The good thing of that kind of AF is its speed (mostly instant), the bad one is it can’t focus trough a window. But if they coupled that kind of stuff with a sensor contrast AF, you’ll have best of both world.
Aperture ring around the lens! Yes!! Thank you, FUJI
SUPER nice design , seems will be an real good camera . bravo fuji . the price is acceptable too . i don’t care about zooms.
Interesting camera. Good luck to FujiFilm!
However,
1. A new lens mount which is not compatible with any other APSC-mounts, or their own old Fujinon lenses;
2. FujiFilm doesn’t want to cannibalize the sales of the X100 by NOT introducing a 35mm equivalent prime lens?;
3. Thirty (30!!!) new cameras for 2012 with limited (in comparison with Panasonic or Sony) design&work-human resources…
4. The recommended price of 1300€ including prime 35mm lens?
…
Time will tell if this concept would attract enough supporters to call it success, but I think the FujiFilm idea for Fuji X PRo 1 is rather marketing its technology, and potentially improving sales of their more profitable cameras (FxxxEXR, HSxxEXR, SXXX,…). At the end of the day, it’s Fujifilm FinePix S2950 –not X100– which brings them most profit.
I would rather stay with micro 4/3 and invest in new lenses.
I won’t be so quick to dismiss Fuji’s profits on the X100. X100 sales have been huge (notice how it retains it’s street price and there were supply shortages, enough for racketeers to even profit from it), and I’m pretty sure Fuji has huge margins on that model, which made them decide to pursue this X-line interchangeable lens system. Had the X100 flopped, Fuji would put the X-line on the shelf and continue on with the EXR digicams.
Like the X100 before it, I predict Fuji will sell a lot of these X-Pro models and lenses, and it looks like they have healthy margins on these items, too.
Can external sensor help m4/3 camera(s) achieve fast focus with 4/3 lenses?
Unless the image quality really is superb, I’d think that Oly, Pana, and Sony all have better propositions to make: the range of focal lengths that can ever be provided is likely to be confined by the viewfinder design and unless a really crisp indication of where the focus has been set has been added to the hybrid viewfinder, I’d remain lukewarm over it and rather go for an EVF. The only thing I am less skeptical about than others here is the external AF sensor. Nobody said that it will focus only via this device. In fact, Fuji has a track record in hybrid AF systems, where a passive external AF system provides a seed for the contrast AF system. Have a look at the good old Finepix S-7000. While its AF speed no longer is competitive, it was really good for a super-zoom at its times. How effective the hybrid AF actually was would you only notice when you had to switch it off due to a filter adapter tube being mounted.
Lol the new enemy is fuji. Unite with sony attitude… Lolz
I am still using my GF1
Looks like the “mockup” was not too far off…
All we now need is for Oly to release an MFT camera with IBIS with that sensor.
They can name it X-Pen, since everyone seems to be doing the X these days.
“X” is the new “i”
lol
They’re about 50 years late. The X-Men have been around for decades. And so has Gen X.
My first impression is that this is yet another system with a limited lens range. For me, a considerable part of the appeal of mirrorless systems is that they ought to have high quality superwide lenses, e.g the 16mm and 21mm that were available for the Contax G system, which seems to have inspired this Fuji system.
It is around 2 years since the release of the Panasonic 7-14mm zoom lens and there is still no equivalent of this or the m-Zuiko 9-18mm for the Sony or Samsung mirrorless systems. How long will it be before they release a superwide lens for the Fuji camera?
For macro and telephoto work I presume that the OVF will become redundant and it would be reliant on adapted lenses. However, if, and only if, this system had a high quality superwide lens (e.g. 9 or 10mm) I would consider it viable for my landscape/archaeological photography.
So could we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have that super brillant extra dynamite sensor in a Pro PEN? Please?
I will stick to my trusty GH1 as long as Panny or Oly don’t come up with a body that has a better sensor. Not more megapixels, better dynamic range (especially in the highlights) is what we need.
I´ll lke to see the first pics samples¡¡¡I´m really envious of the sensor. The cam looks very solid constructed, perhaps a litte bulky for my needs…but I don´t need a pro body at all.
I think pana&Oly have had more time and feedback to develope something more interesting.Intrigued also for the posible viewfinder limitations. I hope Admin show us something from Oly soon….so we´ll see 🙂
So the hybrid viewfinder is a zoom viewfinder. Nothing new with that. Cosina already makes a Voigtlander zoom viewfinder accessory that goes from 15 to 35mm field of view.
Every person who has come to complain here is either a DSLR-junkie o just not in the target audience for this. It’s not like somebody is putting a gun to your head so you must buy this. Nobody has reviewed the camera yet so why start complaining ? It may be bad, or maybe it’s what many have been waiting for a long time. Compared to m43 I think this is a bit limiting and less versatile, those lenses look big for just primes for starters. Regardless, this WILL put pressure on Pany/Oly not just in the design department but feature-wise. Once again I think Fuji shot itself in the foot regarding its price tag, I know It’s going after Leica rather than consumer oriented M43s but think about the storm it would’ve caused if priced below GX1 or E-P3 levels (just dreams i know).
Yeah, I’m not one of their target market, but I do understand where Fuji’s coming from. They saw many people flock to the X100, so they decided to keep things in that end of the market, which is perfectly understandable – they probably have huge profit margins there.
Even though I’m not an X100 type of guy, I do appreciate what Fuji brings to the table, and this entry of theirs would only serve to get the other players to step up, which is a good thing for all.
The sensor is the thing I’m most interested in. New technology with big claims coming from rumor sources, so let’s see how it holds up. I’m glad Fuji’s doing innovation on sensors.
If it flubs (though Fuji being a sensor maven, this is highly unlikely), then Panasonic only has Sony to keep up with in sensor development as a main feature. Olympus will probably try to make their system different by offering durability (still concerned where their sensors will come from, though – Panasonic seems to be putting the squeeze on them).
From what I see here….I do not see this Fuji camera really competing with MFT? Its much larger, and limited to lens selection. I see it competing with Leica, DEFINITELY (and itself…LOL!..bet they don’t sell too many X100’s after this release!)…but not really MFT… whole different head…perhaps a percentage of MFT users..but not the majority. No?
I do not think this is going to have that much affect on what Panny and Oly do with camera and sensor design…Sony has not brought on a revolution in MFT…I do not think this niche market camera will either. . Really is a different market for the most part. Some crossover, though.
I love that people say this is a Leica competitor. It’s sort of apples and oranges. The funny thing is, it will only work one way, to Fuji’s advantage. By virtue of the price alone, most people would not buy a Leica. However, there are quite possibly those who were considering buying a Leica who will buy this instead.
The X-Pro1 is not competing with MFT because MFT was NEVER in the competition in the first place. No viewfinder, (very) poor high ISO performance, overpriced and/or slow lenses, no direct manual controls. I was tempted by the GF1 when it first came out, but realized that I wasn’t really gaining anything over the Pany DMC-L1. In fact, at least I got direct controls and a real viewfinder with the L1. I’m certainly glad I didn’t get any MFT camera.
Thank god I didnt buy into the micro four turd system! I want that FUJI!
You owe me a dollar!
Talking to yourself now? Hahaha, that is so sad. 😀
No talking to my convert you smelly peasant! Now leave those of us who are members of the elite alone! Oh your new GX1 is hardening in the mold now!
Hah! A schizophrenic troll! What a fascinating specimen. The dark is doing bad things to your mind. Step out from under that bridge every once in a while, will you?
careful! don’t flush your excitement too fast on an unreleased camera.
you might eat your own words, which are not that appetizing 😉
Also, where are the OVF complains coming from ? Are you so naive as to think Fuji will limit themselves to primes ? What do you think the EVF is for ?
OVF – primes
EVF – zooms
Otherwise what’s the whole point of having EVF (as in ¨not just info overlay¨ but true TTL viewfinder experience)? Fuji will have zooms, don’t worry about it, that’s where they’ll have an advantage against leica; It just makes more sense to first release this set of primes and cover a wider range for different uses with optimal quality than to release a ¨me-too¨ zoom kit lens, that would’ve been a joke.
PS. Danonino, you’re obsesive about turds maybe your inner self is calling you to gather with your peers…in the sewer. Go get a life, you useless troll
A EVF can give you the picture through the lens as the sensor sees the picture. On a mirrorless camera can an OVF do precisely the same? I don’t see how EVF is only for zooms. EVF works for all types of lenses.
http://gizmodo.com/5873316/fujis-next-beautiful-mirrorless-camera-leaks
Looks like they’re giving the people what the people want.. still people complain.
The people want a system as small as an LX5 (though some want D3-sized stuff) but with a full-frame sensor and small lenses but with a 24-600/1.2 designation for $300 tops.
Seriously, you can’t get your head around the idea that people have different needs/wants and also have differing financial capabilities, as well as the idea that photographic equipment itself is a huge trade-off of size, weight, capabilities, et al?
I must agree with t5his peasant. Many live and want something that will not and in truth cannot be made! Of course those of us in the Godlike Elite would never demand such insanity, and know that this camera is what we want! I’m impressed that this peasant here has understood this! There is hope for him to evolve into one of the elite!
ugly
The X Pro 1 can only used with this 3 lenses, but i think, that Fuji will also develop an DSLR-like body (maybe announce at photokina).
Then you can use those 3 lenses and some, with this DSLR-like Body coming zooms.
Examplary marketing.
The vast majority of RF user use just 3 lenses in the Focal lengths that Fuji announced. Only the unimaginative need zooms and consider them important. especial those pathetically slow ones that you micro four turdists belive in
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Oh, hello there Danonino!
Wow, this is a classic (if not mediocre and predictable) example of trolling if I ever saw one.
Sure you can change your name and all but the trolling comes through regardless. People like you are a waste of space on this earth, go die in a fire or something
Please note that Danonino and I are not the same person.
Please be a little more gentle when you write an answer!
I personally shoot a lot wildlife and without zooms, i would slip a lot great moments. And there are a lot of people who need zooms for work and travel….
Hahaha. A whole league of professional shooters scoff at your zooms and unimaginative insinuation. You yourself have yet to show anything of interest, so your comments fall flat.
Try harder. 🙂
So pros don’t use zooms?
Exactly especially no olympus zooms
Not on a rangefinder!
Do we know for sure the camera will not accept zooms? Maybe the optical viewfinder will not work with zooms, but the electronic (EVF) should work with any lens!?
What makes you think Fuji is stupid enough to ONLY produce these 3 lenses ? There’ll be zooms (and even more primes), that’s for sure. What I really doubt is that they’ll commit the same mistake by re-entering the DSLR form factor, been there done that, failed at that.
I’m starting to fear we’re experiencing some sort of mirrorless backlash. Suddenly there are a bunch of guys craving the DSLR form factor…something which totally goes against mirrorless raison d’etre. If you want DSLR ergonomics get a Canon or Nikon, they’ll be here for (some) years to come, and even if you don’t like the bulk there’s the Pany Gh2, GET OVER IT!
1) hybrid viewer – OVF + EVF – excellent
2) bigger sensor and better sensor (it is newer then sensor from X100) – much. much better then current m43 sensors
3) 3 good primes that is all I need – wide, standard, portrait
If it works fine (fast and good AF, fast camera) with no errors in firmware and good IQ of photos, I don’t need more.
M43 was first on the mirrorless market, and can’t make good camera since years.
Old of date sensors, wrong lens (zooms, big zooms, slow zooms).
Now, there are some good lensens in m43 (12/2, 20/1.7, 45/1.8) and good AF, but no build-in EVF in small body and sensor not so good as competition. Samsung wasn’t real compatition, made the same errors. Nikon produce compacts. Sony create very good body, but there is no lenses. And Fuji finally made good work. And will kill competition.
Maybe Fuji is too expensive, but NEX-7 is expensive too and there is no lenses for it, and m43 is still expensive with external VF-2 nad the same sort of lenses (12/2, 25/1.4. 45/1.8). Only 45/1.8 is cheap.
Maybe ALL mirror less cameras are too expensive for what you get?
My wife and I were in a store a few weeks ago and saw some mft cameras. On the other shelf were a few very small Canon and Nikon dslrs. I said “wow, not much difference in size when you really compare”. She said, the difference in bulk and weight is HUGE (she’s not a camera lover either).
Right now there’s a premium for small size. As quality comes close to or surpasses dslrs the price is even higher, unfortunately.
What I’m impressed by: They knocked out the fast lenses from the start- it took Pana and Oly FOREVER to do that, and gave us undless zooms. Fuji took all of the µ4/3 complaints and dealt with them.
It took them forever? Then why are there lenses like the 25/1.4, 20/1.7, 17/2.8, 45/2.8, 45/1.8, 12/2.0, and so on already?
And really, it’s only you and prime lovers bias that begged for fast lenses. There’s a whole league of zoom shooters out there, and m4/3 catered to them nicely.
Zoom shooters are the unwashed defecation of photography. Primes are were it’s at DunceDunce! It took Micro Four Turds far too long to provide a good set of primes. Fuji did it on day one!
You sound exactly like Danonino as far as I care. I’ve seen my share of trolls on the internet and this double account crap is OLD. Let me be the first to tell you, just so you know, that there’s someone out there in the world (me) that is immensely happy to see that your meaningless life is such a piece of sht that it compels you to waste your time trolling. You know what it is with you trolls ? deep down you know your life is fruitless, lonely and drepesing, no cares about you that’s why you crave attention,You’re are THAT pathetic! with that sort of life I bet you don’t even care about photography, you piece of crap.
This is the last troll-bait i’ll bite. I hope you step on a hiv infected syringe, I’m serious.
Bwahahahahaha You are hilarious! Oh btw stop dropping your HIV infected syringes around along with your obviously poor portfolio. Did you shoot that with your Olympus muahahahahahahahaha!!!!
No zooms, rather expensive. Just another niche camera system. I see no danger for MFT!
Niche. I guess that’s why the price is kind of high on these cameras. Reminds me of medium format systems from years ago. Probably good quality but not a lot of volume.
Yesterday night I read that Oly provided the hybrid VF technology, a simplified version of the one coming, so I wonder…
I had a dream Oly exchanged VF tech against sensor tech from Fuji, 16 Mpx and no AA filter seems the state of the art.
What’s more Oly will soon be issuing new stocks and the main buyers are Sony and Fuji, according to Reuters.
It wouldn’t be bad for Oly to shake up Panny’s stranglehold on its best sensors. If IQ, especially DR and lack of noise increased by one or two stops in RAW, then m4/3 flexibility wouldn’t fear any rivals.
The Panasonic GF1 had been out for around a year when I was looking for a compact travel camera. I figured an update was due and this camera is what I pretty much imagined.
MFT must be making plenty of money to keep doing what they’re doing?
+1
Guys, I need help here. My damn E-PL2 refuses to die, even after this news broke out. Shouldn’t it already be keeling and my lenses disintegrating in awe of this untested, still unannounced piece of “godlike elite un-peasant demigod transcendental metaphysical camera-like” object that is supposed to take awesome photos by itself, without user assistance?
No? Hahahaha. I laugh at all the trolls here.
Looks nice, sensor sounds interesting, but that’s about it for me. Price is too high, and being one of the unwashed masses, I prefer zooms over primes.
Of course, the real elite shoot with Leicas, Hasselblads, and Mamiyas, but don’t tell the trolls that. Their organs can only afford Fujis. 🙂
The elite need travel cameras too. The M9 is perfection, but the Fuji is allowed. Yes you are a peasant thank you telling us all!
The elite might need travel cameras, but what does that have to do with you? You are neither elite nor do you travel, unless you count the ramble from one side of the bridge to the other as traveling. Surely, you are able to carry your camera that short a distance?
SOLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can someone explain/link to me the talk of this amazing sensor that does not need an anti-aliasing filter. I am unfamiliar with sensors and why this is an advantage and why aa filters are normally required. I will go to read up on it.
It has six colours distributed in a random pattern. This avoids interference with repeating patterns in the image. I wonder whay nobody has done this before. It’s the same idea as have been used in ink jet printer half toning for twenty years (called error diffusion).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing_filter
Anti-aliasing filter, situated before sensor, disperses light before it hits the sensor. Weak AA filter = low dispersion rate. Strong AA filter = high dispersion rate.
Bayer-like sensors ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_sensor ) require AA filter to make sure that the same light rays fall on all sensils of the RGBG group. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosaicing
Weak or absence of AA filter might lead to appearance of artificial texture and artifacts, generally referred as AA artifacts (comparable to oversharpening artifacts), since sensor doesn’t capture continues sample of light and demosaicing algorithm accidentally sees a texture or a continuous line where there is none or opposite: texture gets mushed up, continuous lines turn dotted or disappear altogether. (The artifacts creep up when the projected on sensor size of the object is close to the size of the pixel/the pixel group.)
Photogs, predominantly pixel-peepers, want the AA away, because it decreases sharpness in many real world scenarios. Removal of AA filter increases the sharpness – at the cost of occasional, but often hard to remove, AA artifacts.
The whole thing about AA fitlers will become moot when the Foveon-like sensors (single pixel captures RGB) will take over.
The specified sensor to flange distance from sensor to lens on XPro1 is 17.7cm. How does this compare with that on the NEXs, Samsung X200, and m4/3? I thought the NEX was closer to 25cm and not 18cm as mentioned over on the mirrorless forum??? Reportedly the flange distance has a lot to do with the potential size of various lenses made for this system and on reason why the Samsungs mirrorless lenses are smaller than NEXs and why NEX cannot be used with smaller M lenses etc?
Can anyone give us some figures as the reviews seem to omit mention of this distance except when the first mirrorless cameras by a manufacture emerged?
Judging solely from the pictures this XPro1 seems quite a bit larger than the NEX7 and more like L1 in size? Any dimensions mentioned anywhere?
You’re off by a factor of 10. 😉
According to the french article, the lens can protrude into the mount and be as close as 7.5 mm from the sensor.
Wow I didn’t think the censor to flange or lens would be that different? If the new lenses protrude that much 10cm into the camera then presumedly the lenses could be smaller than those for other mirrorless APS-C systems?
Also maybe the Sony E lenses could be used with only a very small adapter?
If the lens protrudes as much 10cm into the camera body as suggested then you wouldn’t see the prime lenses as pictured in Mirrorless rumors parked with lens mount down on a glass surface as noone would risk damaging the lens elements?
Depending on the performance, this could be a good camera. I am however uncertain of some things…
1) How does the hybrid viewfinder work? I mean, with a fixed lens, it is easy, with original lenses it is doable, but when you start to put 3rd. party lenses and adapters on, how will it work then?
2) AF as seperate unit, how does that do? Will it have the same reliability problems as the similar range finder ones? Will it have the same problems as DSLR AF systems, where they are forever a little out of sync?
10 mm!
I would love to see Fuji get back in the game. My first digital was a Fuji S1
I can see a fast 35 equiv on the horizon from fuji at a premium. fuji did it right. Accept it and move on with your iphone dof noise 43 cams
DOF? your an idiot. 1 stop difference on the dof is not big deal and if you account for having to stop down on Canon to get a sharp image you are exactly the same.
All good news for m43, especially for those who prefer Panasonic over Olympus.
While the G3/GX1/GH2 are great performers well supported by a substantial lens line-up, we are going to see some even more enticing m43 cameras announced this year. Fuji are coming from behind, but they clearly resonate with enthusiasts, and this will keep the pressure on the big boys (Sony, Panasonic and Samsung) to respond to enthusiast desires for affordable, high functioning cameras that will out-perform the APS-C DSLRs from Canon and Nikon.
Looks like a black GX1. 1300 dollar. Well…seems expensive to start with. Not direct competition for m43s in my view based on what I see, but it is rather early to say this I know.
What makes a camera good camera:
– IQ
– Lenschoice (with interchangable camera’s)
– size, weight and ergonomics
– handling (menu, AF speed+accuracy etc)
May be some other points aswell. We don’t know anything about either of these points so who is to say it will be very good, good, mediocre etc? No one.
But the looks to me are not impressive and I have read that organic is not much of a help for these large sensors…
If that’s $1,300 with the 35mm f1.4 included I actually think it’s a pretty good deal. I mean, $1,300 is a lot of money but if you look at what you’re getting compared to the competition I think it’s almost a deal. Right off the bat you’re getting an exceptional prime and you’re not stuck with a slow, crappy zoom. Having said that, I’m not convinced it’s gonna be $1,300 with the lens. But I did see a rumor saying it would be 1,300 euros and that often has a one to one translation rate with dollars so maybe. 🙂
D4 at 4000 dollar would be a deal too, but still if you are looking for a 5D2 this fullframe sensored cam is a in different league everstill.
GX1 +20 1.7 would still be a lot cheaper than the fuji, while being comparble on paper at least. GX1 with Leica 25 f1.4 in the same ballpark but that is an excellent lens….
All in all: 1300 dollar seems to big of a difference with GX1 and even NEX5n in my view to be a direct competitor for those cams.
SCANDALYMPUS!
Isn’t Leica going to announce an >=APS interchangeable mirrorless later this year? I feel that this Fuji camera price is positioned as how X100 was between Leica X1 and similar M43/NEX. I’m quite curious on the actual performance and weight/size of this new Fuji though
Ok, it’s time to say something again in this website, because I was just reading post after post.
First of all, I was very interested in Fuji new PRO line and I was even thinking that maybe I could go both ways – 4/3 and Fuji if Fuji may include something for Olympus users since they are in this together. Once again, my dreams are shattered and like Panasonic, it just go against Olympus. And I think it’s because Olympus can’t offer anything more then their optics to other manufacturers.
Now, the Fuji PRO. I was thinking about this scenario – new mount and was still thinking about going for it because of the IQ. Ok, I think we will get it and this will be proved after official announcement, but come on! It is ugly. The back does’t look comfortable at all. Still, maybe it will be beautiful inside… But no zoom is a big no no for me. I could live with these 3 lenses. What about wide angle lenses? What about macro? Will I be able to use adapters and make as m4/3? Would I be able to use live view and then avoid using that view finder? A lot of questions and only time can provide them. Somehow I think we won’t have video because it will go from being retro to being more double faced.
Now, Olympus won’t bring anything to the table! I know it after waiting for E-5. Weather sealed camera won’t be professional this year. Maybe after two years we will get something really interesting, but I can guaranty that video performance will be something like 720p with maybe 24-25 fps and no 60p that’s for sure because they don’t give what we want, they give what they can give. Maybe the view finder will be like rumored and it’s a plus, but IQ won’t change a lot, because it will be the same sensor. Unless Fuji will step in and be a real friend helping. But we know that won’t happen and it will be the same Panasonic sensor with new truepic * processor that maybe improve just enough ISO to say “oh, look, something is different”. Continuousness AF while filming? Dream on. More customisible art filters like being able to update them like an app? No, to complicated for Olympus because that will mean they will have to communicate with byers more.
Olympus will go ahead if they will combine OM+M4/3+4/3 and make something really special that could be used as an range-finder. I had a vision but it’s stupid. What if we would have a pro camera with fucking huge LCD, slim, almost point and shot camera or just look like E-P3. Leave it as it is only put a larger sensor so you could leave the crop factor alone using FF lenses via adapter and combine that with an optional biiiiig body like a battery grip only that little camera would go inside and that way you will get better grip, like E-5 controls and weight. Now we would be talking – longer battery life, good grip and easy having it with 35-100mm f2. Yeah… dreams…
If you want big body, get a DSLR or GH2
If you want big sensor, get a DSLR or NEX
M43 offers medium size sensor + small lenses + variety of bodies
If you want one body type, get a DSLR and join the masses of canon and nikon shooters.
The GH2 is NOT BIG! Try handling one.
Guy’s what did I tell you from my previous comment…this new Fuji camera will threat the NEX and NX more then m4/3…..at least today m4/3 is too “big” to beat by Fuji. The X Pro 1 is APS-C with new lens mount but quite good prime lens choice and which Mirrorless APS-C system that have less prime lens choice (NEX)? Which Mirrorless APS-C system that have good prime lens choice but poor sensor performance (NX)? In order to beat m4/3 Fuji must creating light version of X Pro 1 (perhaps X Pro 10) and compact zoom lens choice….
Looks much nicer than GX1 for sure.
Only other lens I’d want is a 35mm equivalent. Most desirable camera I’ve seen in a long time. I can’t imagine someone choosing the Nex7 over this. This looks to be a really well thought out system. I want one.
If you’re looking at a higher end micro four thirds camera like the EP3 the only reason I could imagine someone choosing it over this Fuji is if they already have a number of micro four thirds lenses. With the exception of video on this Fuji, which will probably be disappointing, this looks like an awesome camera.
Price and ease of use, if the X100 is anything to go by.
Well done , Fuji ! You make me recall my first digital camera , F200 EXR . Might back to Fuji soon if still no breakthrough ( full frame image quality ) from MFT .
One problem with this camera, as there was with the X100, is production. If they can meet demand, camera shops sell what they have.
My local Henry’s is the second best performing store in their chain Canadawide… They have all sorts of stock and equipment, but no X100…
Fuji will need to make this available to sell, otherwise only enthusiasts will know about it or buy it.
That means their volume is going to be much lower than m43rds, by a margin.
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I think this is a positive development.
Fuji is using experience derived from their analogue cameras and why not apply and have a digital solution.
Lens selection a little limiting and reach not quite enough (yet).
So what is so amazing about this camera, beyond it being so much more expensive than Sony NEX cameras?
i paid no less than 1300 euro for my gx1+25mm+lvf2. i also have x100 and i know for a certain x100’s IQ cannot be beat by gx1+25mm+lvf2 and one can only expect the IQ will be even better with the x-pro1.
true that m43 have nice lineup of lens and i do enjoy shooting with my 7-14mm, sure it probably won’t have the touch screen that my 7 year old daughter love to focus and shoot on, but at 1300 euro price point, i will definitely choose the new fuji over m43 and i’m sure i don’t belong to the minority. so yes the new fuji will be a threat to nexs AND m43.
(yes i will keep all my m43 gears after buying the new fuji, but i doubt i will be investing more money on m43.)
@will its actually much cheaper than nex7 with zeiss 24mm 1.8(the camera and lens you should be compare to, spec wise). and at 1300 euro its actually in similar price range as gx1 + lvf2 +25mm 1.4.
don’t forget there is no anti aliasing filter on the new fuji sensor, pretty amazing wouldn’t ya think? 😉
what is the disadvantage of an anti-aliasing filter?