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THE RUMOR CORRECTION
Back in February a new source shared here the following rumor about the X100S replacement (which he called X200): 24mp, tilt screen and new fixed lens. Maybe these specs were right at the time of sharing, but they are probably wrong now.
In fact, a source who was right in the past with some X-T1 specs, just told me that the X100T won’t have a tilt screen and gave me also the following specs about the lens: 23mm, 8 glass elements in 6 groups HTC-EBC coating. Sound like the same lens of the X100S.
THE HYBRID VIEWFINDER
There is no need to break out in panic 😉 .
The fact that I’ve leaked the (rumored) EVF specs of the X100T, doesn’t mean that it won’t feature also a OVF! I also never said that the X100T will be EVF only, but my fault eventually was not to insert the HVF in the rumored specs list and this might have created some uncertainty. Sorry for that, and I added it now.
The truth (ok, the rumored truth) is, that the X100T will actually feature a new, improved hybrid viewfinder. An anonymous source describes it literally so:
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“expect proper electronic overlay on the next generation Fuji ovfs… the x100s and xpro1 updates will pretty much kick ass, if just because of that.”
A new source simply told me that:
- “X100T: Real-time parallax in OVF”
So don’t worry, the HVF was and will remain one of the amazing key features of the X100 and X-PRO line… and it will become even better :-).
And before the updated specs list, here is the poll suggested by FR-reader Douglas Gottlieb.
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[poll id=”60″]
(TS= trusted source / NeS =New Source / AS = Anonymous Source / SRP = source who was right in the past, but not yet trusted / ORS = other rumor sites)
– Announcement September 10 (TS)
– 16MP X-Trans sensor (TS)
– Name: Fujifilm X100T (TS + NeS + leaked by X-photographer David Hobby)
– APS-C (ORS)
– NO Tilt Screen (SRP)
– 23mm lens, 8 glass elements in 6 groups HTC-EBC coating (SRP)
– Improved HVF with Real-Time Parallax in OVF (NeS + AS)
– new EVF, better than X100S, but not as much as X-T1 (NeS + ORS)
– EVF specs: x0.67 magnification and horizontal apparent field of view of approx. 27°. (TS)
– faster AF than Fujifilm X100S (NeS + ORS)
157 Responses
16mp? What happened to 24mp?
this: http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x100t-will-16mp-24-trusted-source/
What about the sensor? X-trans v3 or the existing one in x100s?
sounds like the same 16mp sensor of the X100S
What about the CPU/processor? Faster/new one? Speed is still something I feel Fuji needs to improve on.
Surly at least as good as the XT1?
no source told, until now, me that there is a CPU difference between the X100S and X100T.
That’s a shame… more so because I was looking forward to across sensor PDAF.
The X100T is going to generate as much excitement as the X30… try Full Frame, Fuji, just to get you back in the news and the NEW, because 16mp iteration is just getting lame… I’m still hoping the XPRO2 would show some oomph…
I think this highlights the problems endemic to consumer electronics in general, to which photography is sadly not immune. When I think of the things that might improve the X100 line, a resolution increase is little more than one of the possibilities. But resolution and sensor size are such exaggerated headline demands, everything else becomes secondary.
I’d be happy to see a camera with the X100 form factor with improved HVF, with a tilt screen, improved resolution, better functionality, improved AF, even higher ISO options, better battery life, a 35mm sized sensor, a built in martini dispenser, improved JPEG engine, wifi, improved manual focus, better video performance, a robust wireless TTL flash system, and a host of other things that might be useful, practical, or possible. Poll any three of these elements in a single generational change, and we are doing well.
Unfortunately the pathological attachment to changes in sensor size and resolution mean other important product developments are dismissed with a ‘meh!’. For myself, if an X100T launched with wireless TTL flash, an improved HFV, the software of the X30, and better AF performance, it would be a significant step in the right direction, irrespective of whether it stayed at 16MP or APS-C. I typically skip a generation or two in camera systems, but those changes alone would make me strongly consider buying an X100T in 2015.
And a martini dispenser. That would be the clincher.
+1000
That’s it : if there’s no martini dispenser that’s a deal breaker :))
My set of wants would be slightly different than yours but I agree 100%…the pathological attachment to sensor size and megapixels rules the headlines.
And add some weight to the camera – to make it feel more substantial like the LEICA M series. And if not here then at least to the XPro2. Please, FUJI, please.
I’m a Tequila guy so holding out for the next version with Margarita dispenser
Wouldn’t it be disappointing if that is the only improvement (+ wifi I guess)? The good news would be that X100s gets cheaper for people who were considering buying it. I assume most people who care about using the viewfinder of a rangefinder-style camera are familiar with the parallax anyway.
Well let’s see, we are almost there now anyway.
+ all the software based improvements available in the X30
I might be in a minority there but I was looking forward to a tilt screen.
You probably aren’t in the minority but I am…I’m glad that the screen won’t tilt.
Tilt screen on the XT1 is great, Would like to see this on an X100 style camera.
Does that mean the x100s will not be receiving those updates?
Don’t know. Until now I’ve heard about an X-T1 update (via trusted source & new source). But this doesn’t mean that, at least the X-E2 and X100S, will be updated too. Working on it.
If they can reliably track the parallax offset in real time, that means they should be able to do stuff like displaying a proper focus peaking overlay in OVF mode.
I was looking forward to the tilt screen.
It’s a shame that among ALL Fuji EUR/USD 1,000 and up (body and kit lenses) only the Fuji X-T1 has a tilt screen which is a standard feature in all other mirorless + DSLR competitors at lower prices ranges…
Tilt screen is a feature that really does change and improve the shooting experience.
I use the tilt often. Very nice to have
Wifi?? People already have to carry extra batteries with these camera and wifi will kill your battery in a second.
Quote “I assume most people who care about using the viewfinder of a rangefinder-style camera are familiar with the parallax anyway.”
I think people spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about parallax issues with the X-PRO1 and X100 series.
All a person needs to do is spend just a little time practicing, so they can learn to compensate for it.
That’s all.
I think one negative thing with the digital age (or at least with people that feel they need to upgrade to the newest cameras) is that people don’t spend as much time with their cameras as they used to. As soon as they learn their camera and all the idiosyncrasies, they “upgrade” to something else.
When people allow the camera to be an extension of the mind and heart they’ll be able to elevate their photography. But in order to have that kind of freedom, the photographer needs to learn how to compensate for all the quirks of the camera. And every camera has it’s own set of quirks to deal with.
Exciting !!!! Looking forward to 10th of September !
How About 3 New Fuji X100 Models for Photokina?
The Fuji X100s beautifully illustrates the benefits of a fixed lens prime on a small, yet ergonomic and well built camera. The fixed lens helps Fuji give it:
* smaller size
* leaf shutter
* optimized pairing to the sensor
* reasonably fast aperture
I’d love to see the X100 line grow to three models, each with a set of high quality adapters:
* X100 w (ide): 18mm field of view lens with fisheye and 24mm field of view adapters
* X100 m (edium): 35mm field of view lens with 28mm and 50mm field of view adapters
* X100 t (elephoto): 85mm field of view with 70mm and 135mm field of view adapters.
Each would have the same body and control layout.
Sigma does something similar with their foveon cameras, but I think a Fuji offering would be far more successful.
Sell them in bundles and separately.
PS Thanks @Patrick!
I would really like to see a cheaper version with XT1 style EVF and no OVF.
XE1&2? X30?
No. They have interchangeable lenses and no leaf shutter or ND filter, or didn’t you notice?
The X30 is cheaper, with a fixed lens and with leaf shutter. You weren’t specific about what features were the focus of your request, but that clarifies. A fixed lens XT with a big sensor could be cool. It would be interesting to further differentiate it from the X100 by focal length.
The leaf shutter is also a big draw for me. It would be expensive, but I’d love to see Fuji do a leaf shutter lens for the system. It would generate a lot of buzz and be great or outdoor portraits.
BINGO! …well almost. I have not seen much of a drop in the 100s price and I bet there are many still in inventory so here is what I speculate.
X100s with minimal price reduction for the next 6-9 months, maybe a year
X100T (or whatever) with some enhanced features geared for the traveler with all weather
X100? with even more enhanced features announced this month but launched at a slightly later date geared for the street with better focus and speed and bracketing etc
No way versions based on lenses as we already have a kit for that
X200 FF at some point in the future. The market is demanding it and this is the only platform to launch a FF
Just keep building on a the X100 platform Fuji, it is what other manufacturers are chasing now
Dream one… Just like the people dreaming about a 50mm equiv Ricoh GR. It’s about legacy. I think Fuji wants to have a legacy with the X100* series.
What is real time parallax?
More pathetic marketing fluff from Fujifilm. You know, the same group of slime buckets that brought you “the world’s fastest autofocus”.
is there any company out there today that doesn’t claim to have worlds fastest AF?
btw, the day the X100T will be real, check out the new HVF tech… and if you like what you see, feel free to drop at least one positive comment about Fuji 😉
Patrick, don’t hold your breath, we want to keep you in good health.
Seeing how his comments are more and more aggressive he must be working for one of Fuji’s competitors 😉
Acros film…the finest monochrome 100 speed film on the planet. Good enough for you?
That’s the same view I have on it. And best thing would be if one tries it out in person, before one bashes on it. Patrick, is the event on 10. September is going to be another first look (done by Rico Pfirstinger)? Or is it really only an announcement without real view samples?
I have no idea if there will be a first look. Last time I’ve heard Rico it was about 5 days after the X30 announcment to tell him how many read his X30 first look.
I know, they are terrible aren’t they? I still can’t get over their invasion of Poland.
keep PL out of this one 🙂
seriously though, after watching youtube video of x100s launch at GPP I realized that their Japanese marketing dept. needs a makeover… bad!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4XNEFprvbE
The PowerPoint presentation is actually pretty good (probably put together by engineers) but the delivery is amateur at best (watch from 5-13min segment)
Com’on Fujifilm get it together! You make fantastic products, present them as such!
They used to do some stunning stuff. These are some of my favorite TV commercials of all times:
X100 (directed by James Leung):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKBlqdtgGjI
X10 commercial (same):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SryxhxyomFE
They not only capture the idea of the X series perfectly, they also stylistically allude to some of Japan’s most well-known photographers (Araki, Moriyama), showing how much these cameras come out of a larger tradition. You are not just buying a tech gadget, but a whole artistic approach to the way you view your own world.
Too bad they stopped doing those for the newer models. If you ask me, the should just air things like that internationally in Japanese with subtitles. I’d say that would get these cameras some serious attention.
Wow! those are great commercials, haven’t seen them before. Thanks for sharing!
I notice that no one can say what the hell “real time parallax” is. LMAO.
Well, possibly because it’s kind of self explanatory. The optical viewfinder actively corrects for parallax error as the user focuses, and it does this in real time. How this works remains to be seen, put possibly has something to do with that patent seen here a few months ago about an adjustable OVF, which we all assumed was for working with zoom lenses.
If you look through your posting history, you probably ranted over that patent too. Or maybe that was the day you were too angry to post anything on the internet and were out shouting at trees, or whatever you do in your spare time.
Much better than the laggy parallax
It’s a shift in space time continuum where two particles align perfectly in order to create a sharp image…
you forgot the quantum energy involved…
I’ll keep my X100 O(riginal)!
If you guys check my past comments, I mentioned on Fuji Rumors that Fujifilm should do a rangefinder style VF. Where the AF box is an electronic image (like a rangefinder focus patch).
Do I get some sort of royalties, or did Fuji come up with this idea a while ago?
Everybody who ever used an X100 and a real rangefinder and is smart enough to frame a shot will have had the very same idea. 😉
And I really hope they succeded in making it work. Trickiest part is probably the calibration/alignment/tolerances when assembling the HVF.
Could even be used for confirmation in AF mode. 🙂
If they implemented it like this (and I hope you’re right), it might actually make AF redundant, because MF will become really useable for OVF shooters.
I’d much rather be able to use MF (yes, even fly-by-wire) MF than rely on the camera’s AF.
i was suggesting the same for some time, that having their digital split image as an overlay in the ovf 😉 – surely can’t be that hard to implement
So far, this is very underwhelming!…
For those wondering how rangefinders focus… check this out… I assume this is what they’re referencing when they talk about real time parallax blah blah… Basically some clever way to focus [but I could be wrong, and am happy to be corrected]. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwQ-luuYcyM
uhh. no. Read my comment below.
No new sensor, no new tilt screen, same old lens…
This camera is sounding more and more underwhelming. Good for new users, but absolutely no significant reason for existing users to upgrade.
keep saving money for x200 then… it will arrive some time in the future…
Is there a reason you feel the need to constantly update your camera every year? It sounds like you enjoy buying new cameras more than using them.
Time to purchase Sony RX100 iii
Yeah, the camera that has brought a revolutionary new sensor with each product update… oh wait.
the camera with revolutionary EVF hehe
I can’t wait..these sound like great improvements!
Hurry up fuji!
Sounds like a good time to buy a X100s
done and done!
Or you could wait until price drops like a stone when the X100T is presented, just like the X100 did when the X100S came out. From 11000 SEK to 6500 SEK with leather case here in Sweden.
If this is true, and the only real improvement is the viewfinder, I see very little point in it.
I wait eagerly to see what we’re actually going to get.
Think I’ll keep my X100s until the X100u comes out. This seems like a very minor upgrade, as if they’re deliberately holding stuff back.
You are wrong, it won’t be x100u it will be x100z and it will be the last update at the end of 2005 and will feature weather sealing for a complete package before x200 comes out… 😉
2005?
I like it! People who say this is not a “real” improvement fail to see, that the real value of the X100 is the HVF. Making it more useable is a much bigger step forward than plugging in any other sensor. If you want the newest, nicest, biggest sensor you can still buy a Sony every other month. 😉
Agreed.. thought I still don’t think they should leave sensor tech stagnant much longer!
This would be a FAR bigger deal then most people seem to understand. Then again there are EVF only shooters who just don’t seem to get the real benefits of a fully functional range finder inspired OVF!
The real major improvements will come in x200. That camera will feature new sensor, new lens, new body, etc and that probably won’t happen till 2006. x100t will still be relevant for another 2 years and that gives Fuji extra time to wait out and produce another big hit just like x100 was when it came out. I also doubt it will ever be full frame unless they are able to produce the same camera for under $1500. They do want to keep x100/x200 affordable and not like Sony did with rx1 price of almost $3000. They might come out with another full frame camera in addition to x200.
2006 came and went… must have missed it 🙂
My thoughts exactly… Is this one of those proverbial saying “hey 2006 called and they want their camera back.” But seriously, we cant expect any company to produce revolutionary products year after year. Obvious comparison would be the car industry. They release a new model and would have a 3 or 4 years refinement models based on that version before releasing a totally new model.
The thing is, with the internet being so mainstream, people develop a “I want it yesterday” attitude. Seems like everybody is an expert and feel that if a brand did not fulfill their wish list, the company purposely did it just to slight them.
Agreed. Unfortunately, that is the case for many. We want instant gratification and we want it NOW! I sound like I’m repeating myself… I think I made my point 🙂
but seriously, I do like the small improvements FUJI seems to be making with each product iteration. I would not want them to rush to FF and/or lens redesign just to find out that we’re getting ‘white orb’ or similar hardware issue that cannot be corrected through firmware updates.
Best to take 1 small step every couple of years, rather than 3 step forward one year and 2 steps back the next.
meant to write 2016..
yes I realize that, just had some fun with that one. no hard feelings
Here’s the relevant patent application – try to decipher what real-time parallax is from this: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20140232833
No, this is about a stereo camera. But also interesting. 🙂
Is it still possible that the sensor is full frame? Is the the rumor from ORS that it will be APS-C confirmed by TS?
it will be aps-c
Body and lens must be the same for using wide and tele converters. I hope AF is better, it must be, it’s a new camera, so that’s welcomed. And the 16MP sensor is ok but it should be x-trans III.
This camera is sounding weirder by the day, hell even the iPhone 6 rumours seem more substantial! Fuji’s R&D department must be busy spreading deliberate misinformation (or these “sources” are making it up as they go along). Can we hope for improvements that are REAL improvements, and not just for the sake of coming up with a new model name ? I think our best bet is wait until Photokina 🙂
Deliberate misinformation? Doubt they’d want to spruik wrong features.
There is a reason this is a “t” update and not an x200
Maybe we are too spoilt wanting new features when the current lineup is exceptional at creating one thing: great photographs.
Lately it feels like Fuji will not come with revolutionary new products, but more with some new products that represent a discrete evolution of the old ones. X30 is one good example (same sensor, same lens, but with some tweaks). I don’t want to say those are disappointing products. Fuji is just great! But for those who want to upgrade from X20 to X30 and from X100S to X100T, this move is just too expensive and doesn’t bring those radical changes we were waiting for and discussing here on FujiRumors. X30 and X100T sound better for those who will buy their first (and latest) mirrorless Fuji model. I use my X-Pro1 with great pride, although I’d like some major upgrades in AF speed and I just wanna know if it would be better to go for the new X100T or just wait for the future X-Pro2. Patrick – excellent work!
Revolutionary features don’t come along very often. Doesn’t feel to me like they are taking too long for the next big feature, really.
It’s only been a couple of years since the HVF on the x100. If they can enhance that for the x100t, then that might indicate something good on the horizon for the Pro2.
The last couple years have been some excellent evolutions on a brand new line of cameras!
The poll is missing ” continuous big” changes. That’s is what I want.
That’s Sony’s strategy. Big changes that include switching mounts, switching UIs, jumping from idea to idea without finishing many, and big pink metallic lenses to mount to your cell phone. Real product. Oh, and the little selfie cam. I want breakthroughs from Fuji too, but not random, wild flailing.
Fuji’s product vision seems remarkably focused and consistent.
Is there any word on if this might be weather resistant?
weather resistance and a new HVF might sway me over and actually get this baby…
no word about weather sealing until now
IMHO, if ‘T’ doesn’t stand for tilt screen, its probably for weather sealing, like xT1.
Yeah, it MUST be the Tweader sealing.
real time parallax sounds really interesting. There is often some innovation with the release of a Fuji-model. But like the digital split image it takes a few generations or firmware to perfectionate
The current split image is okay, but the resolution of the EVF and its dynamic range, not to mention contrast, is still too low to be really useful. Compare it back to back with an SLR, and it is slower to use.
Some sort of OVF-enabled focus check, preferably that didn’t split the screen up like the picture/beside/picture of the X-T1 would be great.
The biggest problem I have with the X100 is that, with the OVF you can never tell what is actually in-focus. You know that something within the box is in focus, but the box is big enough to have things in the foreground and background.
If there was a way to tell exactly what was in focus it would be a winning feature. Perhaps a “peaking” overlay that would highlight the focused item.
If only there was a simple technology introduced almost 100 years ago that allowed a real-time overview of the focus-plane, like a … “rangefinder” or something.
Seriously though, I’ve given up on trying to understand why every camera-manufacturer abandoned the best focus-technology (for mirror-less) ever invented.
Of course an electronic overlay would work too, but the box alone is completely insufficient.
Agreed. A real rangefinder would be awesome on an X100.
Every manufacturer abandoned it (but one) because it simply isn’t the best method of focusing. It’s too limited for many situations that “street shooters” choose not to pursue.
And yet, a rangefinder in conjunction with EVF would be perfect. Sometimes it’s better not to shoot the horse that got you where you are.
But rangefinders are expensive and complicated pieces of equipment. I don’t think Fujifilm doesn’t have the brand to carry off an expensive mirrorless camera. Improving the OVF and EVF cooperation in, as suggested elsewhere, a focus confirm overlay in the OVF, would be perfect. It should have been included in the original X100 and X-Pro 1.
I know very few people that, once really into the X-Pro and X100 platform, thought otherwise.
Well, I hope these people are all writing feedback to Fuji, because otherwise we’ll soon end up with only EVF-cameras. Btw., I’m not counting Leica, because their Ms have become status-pieces with hardly any practical relevance. And I don’t believe rangefinders are that complicated or expensive to manufacture by default, how else would it be possible for Voigtländer to sell Bessas for under € 500.
The day Fujifilm goes fully EVF, that’s the day they have lost significance in market for anything but their knobs and dials.
It is the only thing truly unique about their cameras today. X-trans could be argued, but that’s not necessarily something that sets them apart from the market.
You are right: there are inexpensive rangefinder cameras out there. But Bessa rangefinders use less-precise mechanics and baselines than Leica counterparts, which in turn, use less precise baselines than older Leica counterparts.
A long baseline rangefinder is a pretty expensive piece of glass. I’d be happy with a small, inexpensive baseline for fast ‘about’ focusing and the addition of a good EVF overlay or some other service to provide exact focusing.
I don’t think rangefinders will make it into Fujifilm digital cameras. And that’s okay as long as there is a way to accurately use the OVF for both AF and MF with both Fujifilm lenses and third-party lenses and adapters.
Well, and in my opinion there is one other essential piece to the puzzle: Distance scales on the lenses, and not just the wide angles like 14 and 23mm.
Lenses focussing past infinity, resetting focus distance at camera-startup make and using non-linear focus control are just not good enough for professional manual work. Not compared to what already existed anyway.
Indeed, why this system that does its skin-deep best to look like a manual camera is populated mainly by lenses that lack hard focus stops, that lack distance scales, that turn whichever way you want, which often don’t have labelled aperture values…
Most egregious is the lack of internal helicoids. I laugh shooting the X-T1 and 35/1,4. Every time I shut the camera down, the lens retracts automatically just like a point and shoot. Ditto when I review an image. This is an expensive point and shoot system with interchangeable lenses.
And maybe an OVF.
Exactly. And in the case of Fuji you sum up the problem pretty well: They too often make things “look like” something instead of making it functional.
I have always loved Fujinon lenses, but the X-series has been frustrating every step along the way.
I think they should stop paying so much attention to what the competition is doing and just make the best equipment they can. People will always respect quality and practical use.
Fuji is great a mimicking tactile feedback through old school designs and manual knobs, yet bad at implementing it. That is why Leica, for all of it’s sins and irrelevancy, still has an edge – granted that edge is inherited historically rather than innovated.
I always feel when using a Fuji camera, that I am “locked” out of working with the camera in the way that I want. In some regards it feel more like using a copy machine than a professional camera.
Yeah, this falls in line with my experience with the X-series. And I really didn’t expect it, because I thought that Fuji ultimately had an expertise and heritage comparable to Leica because of their great lenses and film-stocks.
I also agree that Leica theoretically still has an edge, they don’t do electronics well, but they can design cameras. I tried an M9-P and an M (240), and I just didn’t like the output at all, where else I really like the Fujinon and X-Trans results.
At the moment I’m actually looking to switch to the Sony a7 series with a new Zeiss Loxia lens, as Sony at least gets the electronics right, and they understand some important modern requirements like small, solid bodies and flexible USB-charging. They simplify, while other manufacturers just keep piling on half-baked features.
The problem with the Sony series for me was the delay in the activation in the EVF when raised to your eye. There is no way to activate the EVF to “always on”. This delay is killer for me, and a deal breaker.
The other problem was no auto-iso in manual. I refuse to buy any camera without this feature. This may have been corrected, I don’t know as the last Sony camera I used was the Nex-7.
I’d say both points are valid, however, I didn’t remember noticeable viewfinder-activation lag when I had a longer tryout of an alpha 7 at a store.
Missing auto-iso, while annoying, wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me.
The PASM- and exposure compensation-dials nearly are as not only do I miss a real shutter speed-dial, but I find them both completely useless. I really like the cameras size and built quality though (a7r and a 7s specifically).
Sometimes you do shoot the horse and invent the car. Travel by horse is for nostalgia and not a practical transportation method.
To me a rangefinder is cumbersome, only calibrated at certain distances, and optimized for a narrow range of focal lengths. Blimey, I like doing photography outside the rangefinder band.
And that is why there is an EVF in there, too. You can do your faux-SLR thing with the EVF, and those of us with vertigo, who need to see a scene without the slowdown/compression/low resolution of an EVF for certain scenes will have glass through which to look.
Best of both worlds. Take the latter away and you remove not only real functionality, but the only thing that makes the X brand (as a group) truly unique.
The hybrid in its current state isn’t very good. But if perfected, it could be the most versatile focusing system the camera world ever has seen.
I disagree, being able to see outside the framelines is extremely beneficial for composition, and together with distance-scale pre-focussing focussing is faster than with any other method (if you want to have control over the focus distance).
I’d say it varies greatly by the type of photography you do. I would not want to use a rangefinder for wildlife, nature, or macro work. It’s too cumbersome.
Of course you wouldn’t. No one would.
Hence why I say it is not “best focus-technology (for mirror-less) ever invented”
I think if you read again the ‘best focus-technology (for mirror-less) ever invented’ comment, you will see that the OP disagrees that the current system is that good, that it needs massive improvements, and that it should be used with cooperation of an EVF. In which case, both of you should be happy.
Professionally, I shoot audiophile equipment. I also write about it. For work, I use the combination of the rear LDC and wifi preview forwarding to iPad (thank you Phase One).
When attaching a long lens for nature shooting (which rarely I do), I would probably use the LCD and magnification. Maybe the EVF.
Obviously the rangefinder (or a fixed OVF) isn’t great for LONG lenses. Both have a limited range. Users of both appreciate that and use their fixed OVF/rangefinder cameras within the ranges they are built to use.
A rangefinder can be a wonderful wildlife system as long as it doesn’t involve a lot of movement. It’s perfect for a lot of photography. But like an EVF, it isn’t perfect for all photography.
Which is why the current hybrid is such an excellent idea. It hasn’t been used well, I agree. But if and when it can be, it will be a revelation for a lot of people. Others will not use it. And that is fine.
The poll results are pretty surprising to me.
Didn’t the X100s come out very soon after the X100? And the X20 soon after the X10? And the XE2?
So people would prefer it if Fuji slowed down to the XPro pace and we would skip the X100s, X20 and XE2, and get the X100t features this year instead, having received many firmware updates in between?
I’d rather have next year’s camera improve upon the one I buy this year as much as possible. I can either upgrade or wait another year or two for even more improvements all the while knowing that progress is being made.
But a slowing of the pace of innovation is also a signal of a mature product. Canon is on that pace. I hope Fuji continues to push. There seems like lots they can still do.
They should take note, however. This is pretty decisive results. On the other hand, Apple has done pretty well sticking to their vision
I would agree with you, this is a surpise to me too. May be Fuji will turn to a Nikon-like cycle 4 years pro bodies with an mid term new body derived from previous; 2 years on Serious Amateur, 1 year on Joe public
I’d would hate that – but hey who am I ?
A paying customer. 🙂
X100, March 2011
X100S, January 2013
X100T, ???
X10, September 2011
X20, January 2013
X30, September 2014
XE1, September 3012
XE2, October 2013
XE3, ???
While the XE’s were released a little closer together, the X10/20/30 X100/s are relatively far apart, probably further appear than the typical release cycle of Canikon bodies.
Sounds like x100T will have the same lens and sensor as x100s. if ‘T’ doesn’t stand for ‘T’ilt screen its probably for weather sealing (like xT1). That’s a welcome addition! Also HVF modifications will be a plus. However, all these changes are in the user experience of the camera, not in the picture quality. JPG picture quality improvements would come from added film settings. if x30 is any indication, we’ll see ‘classic chrome’ added to x100T (hopefully to x100s as well through future firmware updates).
I have been a user of x100 for over 2 years, and have just recently switched to x100s. Everyone keeps saying how x100s is the camera that x100 should have been in the first place. But x100 was so good to begin with already (after v2.10 update I loved mine!). x100s just made it better, that’s all. Perhaps x100T will make it better still. I’m all for small changes to improve performance! but please don’t change the outside shape of the camera, it’s perfect!
Or something even more heretical than a tilt screen: TOUCH! Nah….
hehe, I’m not against touch screen technology, but I personally find it useless on a 3-inch screen, particularly when the ‘Q’ button + up/down/L/R do most of the work for me, and they’re easy to get to. Now… wi-fi/GPS capabilities would be a nice addition, probably Fuji will reserve those for xPRO-2 though. We’ll see soon enough.
Well real time HVF is useful, but for critical focus I was used to easily toggling to EVF on my x100. For me the OVF was primarily for fast operation and using the edges of the fame to predict subject location, especially when using the camera in hyperfocal (snapshot mode).
The prospects of a tilt screen had me very interested. I’m missing that. I’ve also been using the Ricoh GR Digital and the slick snapshot features especially the press-through shutter activated snapshot mode. If this round isn’t going to gain the tilt LCD, then I would hope they would “emulate” some of those features found on the Ricoh – that would be firmware only stuff.
24MP was a head turner, but I’m find the 16MP of the Ricoh quite nice so maybe the X100s or this X100t would be nice improvement over the X100.
For me the EVF is likely a great improvement over that in the X100, and I find that version quite useful. So overall the X100t is still on the plus side.
AF can never be too accurate, too fast or too good at tracking. That will be a plus.
The X30 was a big disappointment for me, I’d hate to see Fuji start to stagnate it’s sensor upgrades like some of the 4/3 offerings. At least improve the low-light/highISO and dynamic range performances. I’m always needing more in those areas. Hopefully the X100t AF improvements are partly sensor based and that’s why 24MP may have been a target but abandoned as the tried to work out the subsystem clashes of pixel density and AF detection. If that were the case, reliable AF over the 24MP would have been my preference. 16MP is pretty darn good. 24MP may have caused some backtracking in the highISO and DR performance – another reason to reconsider.
I love my Ricoh GR too, but wish it had an EVF. A popup, like the RX100iii, or even an accessory, would be great.
Can’t you just put on an accessory 28mm viewfinder?
Yes. 🙂 Have one. I actually prefer a fast refreshing EVF. Or if OVF, info in the viewfinder. I suppose I’ll need that crutch less and less the more I shoot, but miss it now. But the accessory OVF isn’t bad, and still small.
I was planning to buy an OVF for it, but eventually I learnt to use the camera as just an extension of my arm/eyes, by knowing the 28mm angle of view. In this way I can concentrate on what’s happening around me. Great for street photography but quite a pain for landscaping..
People need to realize that revolutionary breakthroughs are rare. Pretty much every camera from every maker has been evolutionary for quite some time. Study any market analysis from early adopter to mainstream to obsolescence. People are expecting far too much when there hasn’t been one disrupting force except smartphones.
And the iWatch, next Tuesday. (kidding)
“disrupting force”
I would add in digital in 98, and APS film in 92, AF in 83..
Get used to it. Technological advancement is exponential.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that. As a 20 year software developer and someone who has read a lot about technology in ancient and nearer times I have a different perspective. More like fits and starts and lots of jumps and stalls.
This isn’t even up for debate. Technological advancement is growing in an exponential way. Small periods of slower development don’t necessarily slow down long term affects. Just because there might be a 2 year period of stagnation in developing something doesn’t mean that the long term trend of last 100 years is somehow broken.
Ever heard of such term as Moore’s law?
http://trace.wisc.edu/tech-overview/indexe9e5.html?attachment_id=256
Yes, and it’s not an unbreakable “law”
I don’t know what you mean by unbreakable. You are missing the point. We have seen exponential growth in technology for way over a century now so who cares if one day limits will be reached or not. Point is that today we see exponential growth and it’s all in the observable data. Your perception is wrong and your perspective doesn’t matter because hard data proves otherwise. It’s like the people who deny global warming. “well the place we live in had a cold summer therefore global warming is false” no, it’s not false because data from all regions is still showing temperature rising. Same with your perception, just because you think your biased view of slow growth is correct it does not mean exponential growth is not occurring.
Whatever dude. You’ve convinced yourself.
Yes, evidence for exponential growth of technology is so convincing it became a common knowledge.
I think the biggest thing to remember here people is that you don’t need to “upgrade” just because something new comes out. I’m still rocking my X100, X-E1 and X-Pro1. No need to upgrade to the X-E2 or X100s as the upgrades for myself weren’t sufficent enough to warrant the cost. I will upgrade to the new X-Pro and possibly the X-T1 but only after my cameras have made me enough money to do so.. It you aren’t happy with the upgraded version like the x30 than don’t buy it, but also don’t whinge about it because the X20 is a great capable camera. Fuji are moving in the right direction and considering only what 4 years ago the X100 came out
That always sort of annoyed me, people whining for example about what the X20 lacks, but when it’s corrected in the X30, either that’s not good enough, eg, lack of a 1″ sensor or, that they get what they want but then complain that the X20 should have had that two years ago to begin with. Same goes for the X100, and every other Fuji camera.
I’m sure when that X100Z comes out with a FF curved organic sensor or whatnot, everyone will be pining on and on that the origianl X100 should have had all that when it was released in 2011.
I swear, I don’t remember all this headache with people complaining about what a camera has or doesn’t have back in the film days, but then again, I suppose the only social form for other camera owners back then were clubs and not internet chatrooms.
Sure, no NEED to upgrade, but when Fuji releases a new model/version, they could implement a bit more than just what’s in the list above (maybe we’ll have a nice surprise). Because it also mean that the X100* will not get a tilt screen or improved sensor before at least another year (unless X200 in prep)
This kind of tells why these rumor sites are pretty much pointless (but of course fun). Not much was right from the beginning, right (and we still don’t know what WILL be right)? When the release of a camera is just a couple of days or some week a way the actual specs begin to surface and is reposted to sites like this one. Why would it be of any value to a user to be mislead for months and then know the actual specs a week before release? None. These rumor sites are more about addiction than information.
How long did it take you to come to this earth shattering conclusion?
Four years.
(I’m lazy to read through all comments if anybody noted already, but the voting machine is faulty: I voted for more small changes, now it states, I voted the opposite. Am I the only?)
Also haven’t read, how could that real-time parallax correction work: does it show the corrected focus frame for the AF distance or the distant background, that needs different correction?
I would imagine it shows a corrected frame based on the AF distance. If in manual focus it would show the corrected frame, for the given distance, instead on the half-press. My guess is this “real-time” parallax correcting is a manual focus feature only.
OK, but what does this corrected frame mean to me, if it has nothing to do with the background that I shall have on the final image, since the very different distance compared to my subject needs a very different parallax-correction?
With all these corrections, I am not sure I see the point in even creating this X100T refresh… Tilt-screen, updated sensor and wifi would be very natural upgrades expected at this stage!
Hopefully they have a X200 somewhere getting ready.
Right ! Oh, sensor, I’m not certain, the 16Mpx are very fine. But better AF and OVF/EVF, plus what you’ve mentioned. Just wait and see ..
I would flip my gourd if Fuji decided to implement a “pump” manual-focus lens feature with distance scales on the lens. No basis for this hope, but I still think that is what the camera should have had since day 1.
agreed…