I am getting some more tidbits about the GX1. There is one important correction. The LCD has 460k dots and not 900k dots! And here are the other small tidbits:
– The GX1 has a metal body
– Panasonic removed the motion-jpeg video format
– The GX1 is a bit smaller than the [shoplink 14828 ebay]Panasonic GF1[/shoplink].
I repeat that the GX1 will be announced on November 8 in Japan (and not on October 28 like other rumors website said).
P.S.: I had to create a new Facebook 43rumors fanpage because my old 43rumors account have been closed. The new Facebook policy wants me to create a fanpage instead of a private account with fake anme (43rumors). Hope you will join the new site!!!
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Any news on a pro-pen on the horizon?
I think it will come at Photokina!
It’s funny how we get turned on by initial rumors just to be disappointed in slices with rumor after rumor taking away the anticipation of a camera that might not be bad as such but is not what we want.
Let’s hope Olympus’ camera division will still be around by the time of the next Photokina (almost a year?).
Well, I am glad I bought a GF1 while they were still available. It’s good enough to keep me happy until Photokina and a while longer. Hopefully Olympus understands that they might make some good money by creating a PEN format camera with a built in viewfinder. It’s pretty obvious now that Panasonic has no interest to serve that market. What a shame.
True. First the rumored integrated EVF turned out to be external. Then the rumored new sensor turned out to be the same one as the G3. Now the rumored improved screen turns out to be the same one as the GF1…
So what’s new? Ah yes, the JPEG engine… new regarding the GF1, but the same as the GF3?
The GF-1 is still the best of all of the Panasonic G cameras to me. (still shooter). I can kill the video button..Its small but not too small, manual controls, useful viewfinder, etc. They got a lot right and THEN after that, for me…Panasonic has done nothing but get a lot wrong (other than the GH2… but that is too video oriented for me) and done nothing but disillusion this photographer who would have been stepping up and buying the next, improved version. (Lenses between Panny and Oly have been a totally positive progression, on the other hand).
Let’s face it…at any normal ISO…you are hard-pressed to tell the difference in a print from my GF1 or the G3…the “improvements” (and I use the term lightly) are minuscule.
Maybe a year from now..or maybe never is how it is looking to me….sad but true.
^This to a million. It’s why I’m still shooting with my EPL1 instead of a G3 i bought a while back (and then promptly sold). IQ has not really moved much, if at all.
… 2014
NHF admin, this one’s on Olympus.
Maybe. 🙂
Think I will buy the new Canon Printer instead!!!!!! LOL!
Now that’s what I am talking about. Admin, when can you tell us more???
Cologne Germany; sausage, beer, carnaval (should be special as this year ends in 11), beer and more beer (hey I’m a Red Sox Fan :)) count me in. I wonder if anyone can attend or you need to be in the industry.
Anyone can attend Photokina!
“The LCD has 460k dots and not 900k dots!”
Unstoppable facepalm! хD
Indeed! Although I suspect more of a face/brick wall interface would be more fitting. Cue Homer- “DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH! DOH!
Wonder how did $150 sony p&s can get amazing 920k dots. Or rather how did $800+ panny can only get 460k. Or the worst, weirdest, stupidest is how the hell $7000 brand new 2011 M-9P can get ancient 230k dots.
If, by any chance, they are targeting photographers who focused on imaging, isn’t LCD is the first step to appreciate, criticize or modify our work?
No. It’s the viewfinder.
Which the GX1 won’t even have… 🙂
Agreed. So Panasonic is not only warming over a 3 year old EVF for their optional external viewfinder, they are also reusing a 3 year old LCD? This is Panasonics idea of an enthusiast camera? All I can say to them is good luck.
One of the reasons for the success of the GF1 is because it had virtually no competition; that is no longer the case. Forget the NEX-7, so far the GX1 doesn’t even sound like it can match the NEX-5n.
No for a lot of photographs like me, lcd is the main tool for imaging street photography. That’s why I want tiltable lcd.
Sorry guys, viewfinder is not everything
That’s the point. Not only is it missing a built-in EVF (something a lot of enthusiast do require), even the LCD is worse than what Sony is using their entry level NEX C3, and worse than what Samsung uses on the NX200. Heck, it’s worse than what Nikon uses in the P300; and that’s just a $300 P&S. If they’re not going to have an EVF built in at the very least they should use the best LCD/OLED screen they can get.
Street Photography, while popular with hipsters, is not everything either. Is that all you do with your camera? Then you’re in a small minority of photographers.
This is Panasonic’s idea of maximum profit.
I’m done with Panny.
When everything was happiness, the sadness arrives… I hope it gets manual video controls now that they have taken the 900k and a video format.
This is ridiculous. The camera will stay on the shelves a long time. I expect a price cut within the first 3 to 5 months after availablity.
So in the United States after it is announced in November, it will be readily available by the summer of 2013, then in the fall of 2013 or winter 2014, we’ll get a price break. I can’t wait! 🙂 (sorry, I’m feeling very sarcastic towards both Pany and Oly these days.)
Don’t worry, the GX2 should only be a few months behind!
The GX1 get crappier with each new rumor lol
and removing motion jpeg is a mistake, that means less compatible on Mac and older PC
Motion JPEG deserved to be thrown to trashcan of history.
Its compression efficiency is horrible and even half assed quality would require very high bitrate even when compared to ancient MPEG-2.
i know!! (theoretically) but weirdly my gf1 produces much better and crisper videos when shooting in motion jpeg than the shitty avchd (even when in highest quality) – the artefacts are just too prominent and makes me feel thrown back to the aesthetic of web videos of the 00’s
They can still use crappy encoder even if its output complies with AVCHD.
In small camera they’re limited in processing power both by small battery and need of keeping processor cool in tiny space.
MJPEG is much better supported than the MPEG4 (AVCHD) because the MPEG4 has f***ed up licensing model.
IMO too, removal of MJPEG is a mistake.
460800 dots = 153600 pixels = 480×320
enjoy – that’s less resolution than computer monitors thirty years ago
But just keep buying m4/3 and Apple products, sheeple.
Mmhmm.
And I’m sure that you only use products that you make by yourself, you independent thinker, you.
He’s just unhappy with himself
> And I’m sure that you only use products that you make by yourself, you independent thinker, you.
You should be nicer to him – suffering unsatisfactory sexual life and now your remark… it’s too much at one time, you know.
It’s Stockholm Syndrome.
There is nothing wrong with MFT- there is a lot right!!!
Based on info so far, the GX1 is poor however!!!! hey ho- Plenty of good lenses to explore until the GH3 arrives.
What does m43 have to do with Apple?
Imagine if Apple had designed the software interface of M4/3 cameras!
Although, I’ll keep my external controls, thank you. 😉
Wow, powertroll. Gratuitously (and weirdly) dragging Apple fans into the scrum.
I don’t think it’s that different… Both Apple and Panasonic/Olympus keep selling small incremental upgrades as the greatest thing ever. There’s realistically not much of a difference between the first iPhone and the 4S, just as there is little difference between the E-PL1 and the E-P3. The underlying operational principle is the same, and I think many people would like to see something different – it’s why Android sells well, and it’s why nobody would mind a Panoly with a proper EVF built-in.
I get what he was aiming at, but jesus, the tone…
There’s a HUGE difference between the 2nd and latest iPhone … I have both. I can’t even fathom trying to compare the very first iphone with the 4S
haha, correct ! 4s is different thing than first generation of iphones. :))
Sony is great 🙂
Now more and more disappointments …
– no build in viewfinder
– no improvement on LCD resolution
– smaller … why that? GF1 size is perfect, I would prefer even a bit larger with build in EVF
Last hopes are a grip finish like LC1 and a control dial at the front like Canon G12 or Nikon 7100 (even nicer).
IT IS BETTER THAN YOU THINK!
well, somebody has a paypal account for hitman? I want to send message to some annonymous tipsters…
2012 and worse LCD then G12 or most compact cameras, ha ha ha
now tell me there’s no external mic input, and I’m happy with E-P3, nothing beats its numerous qualities (autofocus, jpeg quality, external mic, amoled gorgeous screen, live video-recording adjustments and great size/handling…)
I can live with 12Mpixels for now…
lets donate to @wonderer
sadly (or maybe happily) i´ll stick to my gf1. its still the best of the gf series.
i wonder what else they will remove
+1
is getting worster than ever……!
you mean the worstest?
No, Würstel. Mit Kren bitte.
Please God in Heaven let there be a PEN Pro with a built-in EVF & built-in flash & OLED screen & 16mp Sony sensor.
and swivel LCD
and focus peaking
and electronic shutter
and decent grip
and bounce flash
and in-camera HDR and panorama
and…
And let’s hope Sony buys Olympus, puts IBIS in NEX and enables using m4/3 lenses in crop mode (ie when shooting with Oly lenses 16Mpx sensor uses only central 10Mpx). Everybody happy. Except Kikukawa and Woodford, of course :).
+1 🙂
Sony stock is down more in the past year then Olympus, well they are almost tied. Is there a course making these mirrorless cameras? No, Canon does not one, and its plant still was flooded.
Let’s hope fixed LCD and no EVF were mistakes as well :).
+… how many zeros in a zillion?
Just when we thought the stupidity had reached it’s zenith. I had a color Palm device I bought in 1999 with the same resolution.
Way to go Panasonic!
It will be an over-priced camera, too. With the same-old sensor. No doubt.
460k? Two years after, the same LCD screen as that of the GF1.
Can’t believe it… they tried to address a minima the wishes of the m43 fans but will end up with a product that will remain on the shelves.
Oh well, just want to use m4/3 glass on a decent (metal yay!) body.
460k dots is acceptable. That’s twice what i have now anyway.
Question is if it has logical and intuitive controls.
the gf1 is a metal body, so no improvement there
Except i don’t have a GF1 and wouldn’t buy one today unless updated; aka GX1.
Get a GF3- metal, 460k dots, £370 with 14mm lens. I like the touchscreen although I would prefer real dials. Great second body. Or,
Get an EP3- metal, lots of controls, much better screen, just as fast, and IBIS. probably similar price to GX1?
GX1 offers a better sensor (but only at high ISO) and…….er……..
why bother when existing cameras have it covered and offer other strengths? From early reviews, I think the real strength will be the 14-42 x lens (if you are ok with powerzooms). Unless the price is REALLY great, the GX1 is a really poor effort from Panasonic. :-((
Yea it probably is, but i’m still keeping my hopes up. Why i’m still interested is because i’m hoping for about GF2 size. The thing is, i have a good DSLR, so my main interest in m4/3 is the carry-around size (and the awesome lens line-up). As is, the E-P3 or even the original GF1 don’t save enough space compared to my DSLR to justify a second kit. And a camera like the GF3 is just too basic.
Then go for the GF2. GX1 seems to be a minor upgrade to the GF2’s features. And you can buy the GF2 at a mighty discount right now.
That’s true. Whopping €300 for the 14mm pancake, and €370 for the GF2+14mm kit. That’s insane really. Anyway i’ll consider that after the GX1 announcement.
If above its true, its probably lower model on a newly created rangefinder like shelf/level. They had to give us another, higher spec (GH2/3 guts in gf1 body).
Panasonic please understand I will not buy GH b/c I accidentally click WB button! The same goes for G3. Please copy (do not touch the ergonomical perfection) from the GF1rear to new model.
This rumor thread is completely false. It makes no sense to release GX1 with the rumored specs. It is in no way better than other existing Panasonic offerings. If you look at the specs it doesn’t deserve a revolutionary label like GX1. Either the rumor is completely wrong (there is an inbuilt viewfinder + high-res LCD on the back) or Panny has lost it. In what way would it be better than the legendary GF1??
It doesn’t have to be, i guess they just finally noticed all the complaints about the GF2 and GF3 from original GF1 owners, and decided to sell it again with a new label.
But we already established both Olympus and Panny have lost it 😉
I agree, it makes no sense that they keep avoiding what we *really* want.
Some day tho.. some day …
GF2 did not warrant the level of criticism as it IMHO is a better camera than the GF1. Yes Panasonic should have used the opportunity for a more significant upgrade but public should not be fooled into believing the GF1 is a better camera than the GF2 – it isn’t. Read a very good GF2 ratings/user review on this site that deals with most of the alleged criticisms of the GF2 for further information that supports my view. By all means disagree as that is what debate/forums are all about 😉
I just realized what Panasonic’s strategy is here!
They’re renaming the GF2 and calling it the GX1! After the disappointment with the GF3, it’ll look brilliant in comparison!
And we thought that only the geniuses at Olympus were capable of cooking up a scheme like repackaging the same camera for 3 generations and 9 models. At least Panasonic knows how to discontinue models. And they have one serious model in the GH2.
The NEX-5N and NEX-7 are looking better and better.
Way to go Panasonic!
You’re onto something here. There’s some logic in that theory: was GF2 actually available in the US before GF3 announcement? This may be the way to please all the people who wanted GF2, but weren’t quick enough :).
Agree re GF2 – see my previous comment.
They already offer a mediocre EVF, why do more of the same? I would expect the EVF to have at least 1.5M dots. Or better yet 2.5M OLED dots. I hope time has not stopped at Panasonic and we’ll see more significant upgrades soon.
Think you are confusing dots and pixels. The new EVF does offer 1.5m dots/450k pixels. Or do you mean the LCD?
Did I say “new”? Think I meant repackaged EVF. It’s specs are very familiar to the one in my two year old GH1. Hurrah for cynical cost cutting at Panasonic!!!!!
Oh yeah, thanks, I misread the rumor and kind of succumbed to the community’s pessimism 🙂 I thought it’s all about the new EVF and then also must have confused dots with pixels! But I just checked and the new EVF doesn’t look different from the existing LVF1 that I have, judging by the specs, does it? People praise Oly’s and GH2’s 1.5k EVFs a lot, so maybe Panasonic at least will match those ones’ quality in the stand alone unit without the obvious spec improvement on paper? The current LVF1 is not abysmal, but pretty mediocre still.
Wow what a great psychological mind fcuk.
To keep all anticipating over nothing.
So the GX1 release is to make the g3 and gf3 look a real bargain or value for money. But this has to be only a filler for xmas for the time being until the real GPRO to come in spring 2012 or photokina.
So it’s a GF1 with the G3 sensor?
No, it will be smaller & nicer buttons!
The camera gets less interesting with each post.
I am already over this gx1. The same resolution from 2 years ago! Ive been using this magnifier as viewfinder hack to look at the screen on my gf1 for the last 2 years. I’m sick of it and what a real one. Hey olympus do you want my cash, panasonic doesn’t want it!
By the way how come no one is excited about the g3? It sounds like it has everything everyone is requesting, tilt screen, evf, and good resolution?
The GX1 is a consumer-grade camera…maybe slanted toward video (why exactly are they putting video in cameras, again? LOL!)…. I wonder if Pany still has any intention of giving us a semi-pro successor to the GF1…because this camera will not be it. The two released X lenses are very cool…but VERY “consumer” lenses…and although they are great designs..they are cheaply built and a bit pricey for their build quality. I am expecting a matching body in the same vain (right before the holidays!). So I guess I can X this one off my list! 🙂 Definitely.
Please, not smaller than the GF1…
Any rumors on if the gx has a mic jack? I think that’s one thing that would greatly separate this from the g3 and the competition. I really dislike Olympus’ implementation using an adapter and nex7’s proprietary alpha shoe, both of which blocks off the option off attaching a standard shoe mounted shotgun mic.
the only way to save this if its a REAL RANGEFINDER with AF (Contax g like)
otherwise fail
Instead of whining why Panasonic is not giving you the expensive RF lookalike you crave, maybe you should take another look at the sales figures. The best selling Panasonic m43 cameras are the dumbed down models selling for $400 or less.
Face it – m43 is a consumer oriented format. With competition from Nikon, Sony and Samsung, P+O cannot sell cameras and lenses for the insane premiums (over 4:3 gear for example) as was the case more than a year ago.
The camera you are asking for does not make sense because for what it would cost you could find much better alternatives. It would lose Panasonic money even if all the m43 forum readers bought one.
then why does fuji think it’s worth pursuing?
Pursuing what?
Fuji is not developing a micro four thirds camera. The mirrorless camera it has in the pipeline is presumably a higher end product designed, according to their own announcement, to have IQ surpassing FF.
I am not disagreeing with you. You are probably right. Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop asking for it (or “whining” as you put it — of course anyone else’s ask is whining and your whining is asking, right?)
I’m sorry but some of the people here sound like little kids that have been (yet again) disappointed with their Christmas present.
Grow up or get other parents 🙂
Sadly, there are no other options at this time. And, when you have several lenses, you have investment in time and money. I think that gives you the license to ask for what you want. Damn, man, it’s the internet! None of us really should be spending ANY time here. To complain about HOW we are wasting our time here is a bit pedantic, don’t you think?
Totally agree 🙂
LOL. Let me buy you a virtual beer 🙂
Thanks, next round’s on me 🙂
thats the problem and why most are whining. its becuase weve bought so many lenses which we know wont work on any other system and might not even work in the future that we want a body that fufills our desires.
there is no other system im aware of where the lenses are not usable on other cameras as they wont cover the frame size.
Any focus by wire lenses won’t work on other systems. Frame coverage is not the issue — focus by wire is. If you don’t have the right power and/or command to the lens, then it’s worthless. Camera makers are typing lenses to systems now. The days of cross-system lenses are numbered if all makers go to focus-by-wire. Heck, even Canikon lenses have limitations, in that the newer ones can’t control aperture on other systems.
poor man’s leica = poor fool’s leica 🙂
-1 totally wrong
Theres more to models than sales figures. Dodge loses money on the Viper. They make it because it’s great advertising for the brand. The GF1 is still the most used m4/3 camera on Flickr – by about a factor of three (thats not including historical data, just current day to day usage). The niche success of the GF1 has been great publicity for m4/3 as a whole.
Rob
Well Admin that was a nice pre-Halloween joke. All tricks and no treats.
All our darkest disappointments in one metallic body of LEAD. Yes that will be another surprise. Even superman’s vision can’t see through that can’t yer see?
But it will turn out better than you all expect see?
It will cure your addiction to rumour sites and more…
Just wait for the real announcement OK? 😉
This is a huge disappointment !
Already without build in EVF ,
Now no improvement on the LCD .
What is the point create this “not up to date” stuff ?
Can’t compete at all !
was going to buy the gx1 as an upgrade to my gf2.
When it lost the built in OVF i was still going to buy it
when it lost the swivel screen i was still going to buy it
But the same low resolution screen means no sale
im done
It sounds more and more like a E-PM1 or XZ-1 competitor, rather than a successor of the GF1.
Nothing to see here, walk away….
For the comments that suggest that m43 is not meant to be even semi pro.
How come we have great lenses like the 20, 25, 45mm panny/leica
Or to those that suggest that panny can’t make the camera we all want, because it will cost too much or it will not sell
Look at the nex line the nex3 is half the price of the top m43 camera, compare it on Snapsort and you will see the error of panny’s strategy.
Yes, good question. Why the lenses and no body to match? If this was going to be a NEX-5n competitor, I’m not seeing it.
Just when I thought m43 was getting somewhere. Guess I’ll have to save some extra and wait for Fuji and Leica to get things right.
It’s worse than you think… Every time a new rumor comes out about the GX1, it downgrades the camera placement in the lineup. Now it has even less capability than the GF1, and it’s smaller. WTF! Panasonic, PLEASE, if you want to maintain any shred of credibility with your pro-sumer market DO NOT CALL THIS A PRO BODY!
Well, they DO NOT WANT A PRO BODY! They said they have no desire to make one, at least not now.
If true the lack of new features makes sense.
Why spend money to develop new features when (based on previous m43 cameras) Panasonic will barely advertise it and wait months and months to ship the GX1 in serious numbers?
Sorry to sound cynical but Panasonic do not seem very determined to make m43 a success…
Well maybe the body is pro … but the internals, and the functions, and the quality are not. I should really take a break from 43rumors and come back next spring, when hopefully both Pana and Olympus have come to their senses. We can only hope the rumored GX-1 becomes a complete disaster and wakes up Pana.
I too am disappointed in the spirally downgrades to the original rumor of a new GX1. However not surprised to see as predicted earlier that it likely is a GF1 magnesium metal body on the slightly smaller GF2 size frame. Note the GF2 allowed more space between the hotshoe and flash for a slightly larger higher spec EVF to be mounted and likely the GX1 would retain the GF2 rear control wheel while adding a control wheel to the top.
I expect that Pany has added several goodies for external mike, remote control etc. to the mix people wanted added to the GF1 or GF2.
While there is a lot of complaints regarding retaining the 460,000 dot resolution screen note that even DPR in its reviews says it is one of the best of its kind with good viewing from side or in bright sunlight and low in battery drain. Also this hopefully would enable a lower price?
Also we have very little information regarding the new 1.44m dot EVF and since smaller hotshoe mounted would have to be a almost total redesign from an existing one used in the G3 body anyway and could even be a OELD one instead?
Seems that the GX1 designation now stands for the base model with the X lens while the more professional or high grade model with inbody EVF would have another figure added like GFX1 or GPRO1? Guess I will just have to wait a little longer with my GF1.
460k is pathetic. If that’s all they’ve got, they should pull the plug on the GX1 and save themselves the inevitable shame and losses.
Here we have a G3 emasculated by its EVF and articulated-screen and masked as a PEN, but with a worse screen and only one dial (hope GX1 has a newer manual control, tri-dials what?).
NEX-7 is three steps away (EVF, articulated & better screen, bigger sensor). Hope for Panny & Oly that no good (& cheaper & smaller) E-mount lens will come along…
If GX1 is a slightly better GF1 at half the price of a NEX-7 then it’s not a failure at all.
Any new mirrorless from Fuji or Leica will be at least $2,000 I guess.
A GX1 with the very small X zoom or a 20mm 1.7 could be a good affordable set up.
Come on, a slighter better GF1 after 2 years? Panny’s got suicidal tendencies!
it seems panasonic is only interested in getting new people to come on board, and have no real interest in users who are looking to upgrade.
the gx1 will probably be great for those who dont have a m43 camera, just like the new x 14-42 lens is great for people without the 14-45 or 14-42.
but for those of us who already have m43s, what is the incentive to upgrade?
I don’t have anything m43 and was very interested in seeing some high end bodies after the high end lenses started to come around. This GX1 sounded nice at first, but now… 460k? Really?
(I will admit that I have the financial room to be picky.)
wrong place, see below 😎
> but for those of us who already have m43s, what is the incentive to upgrade?
GH2? Nooooo! It is too DSLR-like and too embarrasing for us longing for a soapbox with a VF in the corner (remember – the top left-hand one!) Do you listen Panasonic?! We all need it! We just won’t buy it unless it costs <$500.
LOL! But it still doesn’t explain the 460k though. The NEX3 is dirt cheap and has 920k, plus the larger sensor. I guess the build quality on the GX1 must be pretty good… or something.
It’s a simple (though a bit sad) fact that technology-wise, Sony is now ahead of Panasonic in many aspects. Moreover, Panasonic are probably too proud to buy technologies from other companies (like Samsung or even Sony). Then again, let’s hope they are also proud enough to compete properly (not just based on price), with others.. Let’s see in about a year.
Panasonic’s sensor technology is not far behind Sony’s, if at all. Smaller, denser sensors will always perform somewhat worse.
As far as low light performance goes, the 24MP sensor APS-C sensor from Sony performs more or less in line with Panasonic’s latest generation sensors.
m43’s smaller size (sensor and lenses, if not body) comes at a penalty.
> Panasonic’s sensor technology is not far behind Sony’s, if at all
It certainly is somewhat behind. Both in quantum efficiency and read noise. Resolution has very little to do with it (if you compare comparable images, i.e. scaled to the same size).
But of course, the sensor area is the most important factor. Anyhow, we would need Panasonic to be THE champion in sensor technology. Who knows, they may work on it – let’s hope so 😉
martin
i think you can appreciate that some people like to buy within a product line. it is why they bought within that product line to start with. i bought a gf1 , and i love it. i dont need a panasonic ´dslr´ type body, like a g3 or gh2, as i have other cameras to fulfill that need. (i also dont need a built in viewfinder, i am happy with the external, i just want it updated to higher res so focussing is easier, but i prefer an external one and the more modular approach)
i just need something to eventually upgrade my gf1, preferably with 16bit instead of 12bit output.
at the moment i am still happy with the gf1, but it would be nice to see a product within the same series that i think i could aspire to moving on to in the next year or so.
OK, then wait one year or so more 😉
I have already been waiting a year, actually two.
When the GF1 came out I tried one at a local store and liked it. Ended up buying a 7D because I wanted a DSLR first and thought that in one year the GF1 would mature. It never did.
A G3 or GH2 doesn’t make sense for me as I have the 7D, but I am really liking the idea of getting a high end system camera as one to have with me at all times. I think m43 has the potential, especially with the available lenses getting much better, but every time I look it isn’t quite there yet.
I guess we’ll see in about a week what Panasonic has really developed. I could always compromise and save some cash so I at least have something with me.
mjpec codec has 4:2:2 color .. so is stupid to remove that. motion jpeg it’s old codec and is ” heavy weight ” but is better than avchd
Specs keep getting worse with each rumor. Who’s leaking these supposed ft5 rumors and getting ppl hyped for no reason
This has gotta be a joke. How could Panasonic, who have done so much right, lose the narrative and start doing so much wrong?
I guess it all comes down to price for me. Even though this is disappointing if it’s cheap I might change my mind. But Panasonic doesn’t do cheap.
If this had come out 9 months after the GF1, I might have been more happy with it – but its too little – too late.
The sad truth is that the people on this forum do NOT represent the target market for most m43 cameras. I am sure that Panasonic is scratching their heads saying “what’s wrong with these people – we already make the cameras they are asking for – the G3 and GH2?”
…and we should be asking ourselves the same question. Is it only the faux SLR styling that keeps us away from the G3 and GH2?
i’d bet my ass FUJI is NOT entering the loser 4/3 sensor format
Probably right. If they come out with an amazing body and decent lenses I’ll be willing to sell all my m4/3 equipment and go over to them. Pana and Olympus have been putting nothing but crap since their original revolutionary models.
maybe the next rumor will tell us, panasonic is naming it GF4 : )
i am actually thinking of the EP3 now, has to pay more thou.
does Olympus render skin tone better? i will only use it for portrait of my daughter. thx!
sad news
but
on this site we read 4 month ago an interview of Ichrio Kitao from Panasonic
“Panasonic plans to split the GF series into two lines and release a GF camera aimed at experienced photographers.”
So , maybe this GX1 is not the one we all expected, an high end camera with
new sensor, evf ….
I’m now waiting for the next one … GF7 ???
ricoh gxr has 900k display and it’s 2 years old
Every new rumor about the GX1 makes me LESS interested in buying that camera. I don’t think Panasonic even understands what people are asking for when we talk about wanting a “pro” m4/3 camera.
I guess Panasonic is trying to help Sony sell more NEX-7 cameras.
Let’s hope Olympus rises to the occasion and gives us a m4/3 version of the NEX-7.
This is great news, now I will not get tempted to buy another body for some time. My credit account is very happy about this development….
Now, if pana just also delay the fast x-zooms for some years then I might even begin saving up money 🙂
460k dots is enough to see if the photo is not a complete blunder and to look at the histogram.
Why is 900k dots such a big deal?
for manual focus with an adapter it makes a lot of difference.
For manual focus, I want focus peaking, even if it means paying extra for patents. Again, 460k dots is enough.
+1
Its enough with peak focusing – and even at 900k, its no substitute for a proper viewfinder.
460 to 900k is a big deal, check the cams in the store..
i’m hoping that voigtlander will bring a Epson RD-1 styled Voigtlander rangefinder to couple with the superb 25 0.95 voigtlander, as they are part of the consortium, please cosina, make it happen, olympus and panaonic have lost track, what the format is capable of
For my father who doesn’t have the reflex of uploading pictures to the computer (its technology, you know.. complicated…) and thinks that the lcd of his camera is decent enough to show pics in family reunions, for him, 900k would make a big deal difference.
I am not saying that its not desirable. I just fail to see how it helps taking better pics.
I guess the evf then has 900k dots :D. This GX1 keeps getting better.
Something doesn’t make any sense.
The Panasonic guys told several times about a high-end m4/3 and so far this GX1 seems less and less like that camera, what’s going on?
Will there be another real high-end camera and it just became a weird tale?
Soooo disappointing if this is true. Obviously I will be keepin GF1 for longer than I expected.
I’m really hoping Fuji’s new mirrorless is awesome (and there is a good chance it will be considering how good the X100 is). The only other alternative would be if Sony decides to release some decent lenses (faster, and pancakes/smaller.
Sony really has blown it. They need to be thinking Pentax “Limited” pancake type prime lenses. That would be the ticket for this body to get most of us excited about that camera. Again…I have no idea who is designing for them…but I doubt that it is a photographer. LOL.
I’m afraid that in case of Nex, a pancake is (and always will be) equal to crappy optical performance due to the extremely short back focal distance compared to the sensor diagonal size. Marginal FOV areas in particular suffer from this problem (where off-axis microlenses are are a partial solution, to be fair).
For the good optical performance of Sony’s system, it needs relatively big (=tall) lenses. The 24mm Zeiss lens is a case in point.
interesting…so be cause the lens can be closer to the sensor..it creates a physics problem that impacts the way the lens has to be design???? Is the same true for MFT…I guess because the sensor is smaller the lenses can be smaller? I just purchased the new Panasonic 45-175mm and although it is not a high-end lens..it is INCREDIBLY compact (plus internal-zooming and focusing..keeping the size…small, small and small)..it is what having a compact, mirrorless camera is all about.
If what you are telling me is true…I will never switch to NEX and also will continue to own my extensive full-frame DSLR system and am extremely happy that I invested in MFT to compliment (no replace) that system. In my camera world…there is no place for a NEX camera …it is just this awkward, half-baked ugly duckling.
> Is the same true for MFT…
Less so. The back focal distance/ sensor diagonal ratio is more reasonable in case of the m43 system. That’s why lenses like the Panny 20mm can be flat and still have a very good optical performance.
> I guess because the sensor is smaller the lenses can be smaller?
One thing is the lens length, which depends on several factors (but generally seems to be shorter in case of m43 when compared to Nex, for instance), another thing is the lens diameter.
That also depends on several things, but generally, if you want comparable DOF, you need the same entrance pupil size, thus a comparable lens diameter.
So the statement ‘Smaller sensor = smaller lenses’ is a bit of a common myth. They may be smaller, but then they are usually not comparable..
The other thing going on…MFT vs NEX…if I buy a Leica-branded Pany 50mm it is tack sharp and performs well…It isn’t built like the real deal but they got the important part right ..AND for $600. OK..go to the NEX Zeiss-branded made by Sony …what is up with that…I own a Zeiss 21mm f/2.8ZE for my canon FF…Sharper than a razor…actually one of the sharpest lens formulas EVER. The NEX “Zeiss” isn’t tack sharp (no excuses…from Sony or Zeiss please…and that is their best lens) and its $1200….Martin, you are telling my why its has to be huge…ok.I am down with that….but the other two points price and quality are completely unacceptable. Let’s put it this way…Sony…you did a great job of letting me be totally satisfied with the mirrorless system I have.
I appreciate the physics lesson..this is making me happy with my gear choices!!!!!!
THANKS!
You’re welcome 😉
Although I myself consider the Zeiss lens to be of a very good quality and not that huge (just a bit longer than it should be), the price is simply too high, plus it is one of just two good lenses of the Sony system (another one being the 85mm f/2.8). So I am too satisfied with the choice of the m43 system.
yes..you helped me to understand more. Thanks!!!!!
I never shoot video sequences longer than 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Motion-jpeg ist very useful when all you want is drag the files to your computer and immediately work on them.
Why is removing an option sold as innovation or something new here? Ah, Panasonic with the GX1 seems to seriously innovate by leaving out things. Leaving out EVFs, leaving out high resolution displays…so far the GX1 sounds like…uh…like…a renamed GF1???
Have been waiting for a pro m43 body that could challenge Canon 7D in IQ and shooting speed, would come in a metal rangefinder like body, have controls like Sony NEX-7, include a good quality viewfinder and radio TTL flash. Even if it would cost 1200-1700 USD (for body), there would be quite a few prosumers who would not only buy it, but also invest 1000-2000 in lenses. Me included.
Now it looks like I should be selling my GH1 and 2000 USD worth of lenses – just to purchase NEX-7 and start waiting for Sony to get their act together with lens lineup 🙁
Currently the GH1 is the only m4/3 cam that comes close to the 7D.
Why neither Olympus or Panasonic have used this sensor to a greater potential on a camera like we all speak of is INSANE!
Take the EP3 with an integrated VF-2 finder, and use the GH1 sensor “tweaked” by Oly and it’ll sell like crazy. But nope. That’s too obvious.
This and so many other things make me wonder if O&P are tired of R&D. Perhaps they are trying to get consumers to warm to the idea that the current gen tech is all we need. That would allow them to increase margins on “new” camera bodies. Any further refinements would be through cheaper developments like JPEG engines, smile recognition, and art filters.
Strange how the resolution has dropped. Did the original rumour source get it wrong? Or did Panny change their mind? After all, as soon as it was known that the GX1 wouldn’t have an EVF, the howling started here. Perhaps they said “F” it, chuck a cheaper LCD in if the wannabe pros won’t buy it anyway! Save it all up for when they finally get the EVF version sorted, so that there is a clear choice, and they’ll all shell out twice as much for the cam.
Or perhaps the LCD choice comes down to supply chain, bound to be some issues floating around in Thailand for everyone.
So far, I don’t see enough reason to upgrade from the GH2 or add a GX1 body to my kit:
Improved sensor: NO
Multi-aspect sensor: likely NO
Higher resolution (add on) EVF: NO, actually less than GH2’s EVF (1.53 M dots)
Higher resolution screen: NO
Articulated Screen: NO
Faster AF: likely YES; unknown if all Lumix lenses will benefit
More compact: YES, but add EVF will negate some of the reduction in body size.
Better styling: likely YES
Unless Panasonic has something else up their sleeve, that’s not enough for me. Of course I don’t pretend to be representative of the camera buying masses.
But GX1 isn’t intended for GH2 owners primarily, it’s for those who want a small body with more control buttuns than GF3.
If you want a smaller camera with built in viewfinder and articulted screen then Pana already got the G3.
No it’s not. You’re right of course, still if I could replace the GH2 with an equally capable and fully featured body that is less bulky, I would. As to the G3, that’s missing a few controls and ergonomic features like a rubberized grip (like the GH2 and NEX-7 have).
>Improved sensor: NO
maybe not gh2 but the sensor is improved over the gf1/2/3 though
Panny, not only his us with big disappointments
but plans to “announce” their camera after its big competitor
Sony “releases” their camera into the market?
Average consumers who are planning to buy mirrorless camera, obviously will
purchase sony nex7 without even knowing the existence of this new GX1
They should have at least officially announce the details&specs about this new upcoming GX1 to attract the consumer way ahead of time
I was really looking forward to buy this camera
but no built in viewfineder and their slow advertisement so lost me
p.s. I’m waiting for my nex7
EOSHD claims it’s 100% confirmed that the GX1 will have a built in EVF. 43rumors claims an FT5 that it won’t. Who do we believe?
Rob
Me 🙂
this could get messy 🙂
EOSHD may have one number wrong then… What if they speak about the next year’s GX2? 😉
Well, the rumor from EOS HD is a little more than a month old. At this time, we all still thought the GX1 / GF7 would have a internal EVF, a new sensor and whatnot.
What I don’T understand is why Panasonic delayed the camera. I thought it was because they updated some of the features or components, but it does not make any sense if the specs are true – only if they wanted to produce many in advance to have them in stock quickly, for once.
Still: meh.
If true, very disappointing………time to look at the NX1 from Samsung (maybe at CES?) as an alternative?
To me it looks just as a G3 without viewfinder. The GX1 will be just an excuse to have bundles with the new X lenses in stores.
Not really an excuse. The G3 and this will appeal to people for different reasons.
So do we know if it is going to focus as fast as the ep3
The G3 and GH2 and GF3 already do.
I thought or heard the ep3 was the fastest. I usually shoot with the e5 and I have a gh1 for video stuff but I only use the gh1 with 4/3 lenses and it will not auto focus those lenses for some reason. I was going to get the ep3 with the new 45 because i heard it focused so fast but you think I could just go with the GH2?
Can anyone let me know why the GH2 and G3 CANNOT be NEX7’s competitor?
Looks like you were wrong! The GX1 was announced today to the press! Look here – http://photorumors.com/2011/10/28/about-the-panasonic-gx1/
Wow only 12mp? Guess you had that wrong.ISO 12800. Hmmm and a built in grip! Two colors – black and silver and a touch screen
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771
Anyone seen these leaked photos of the GX1?
Looks legit – and yes – no EVF.
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771&m=f&last=31613184
Well, I just saw the real pictures of GX1.
Indeed, it’s the true GF1 Successor with nice grip.
It’s really a man-oriented design with the robust shape.
Fixed screen(No tilt),Stereo mic jack and external EVF port
and the Shiny metal buttons, it seems more buttons than G3.
First GX1 pictures
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771&p=1
i found some GX1 pictures from taiwan
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771
is it real ?!
Some pictures about GX1 with x 14-42mm.
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771&m=f&last=31614337
leaked photo:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=2419771&p=1